CDZ Pros and Cons of Getting a CCW Permit

[Skull Pilot]

there is no downside to getting a CCW

 

[OldLady]

I was at the range yesterday and one of the guys asked if I had my CCW. I told him that I had no reason to get one that i could think of. He looked like I had just told him that it wasnt necessary for me to eat for the rest of my life. I looked into the CCW today and found that its hell just getting one where I live. I was wondering what benefits will I gain by having one vs the cost of having one? Is it really worth it?

Can you carry a gun around in your state without this permit?

 

[Asclepias]

One thing...if you get it you have it if you need it. You never know when you might want to carry a gun for self defense, and if the need comes up and you haven't gone through the hoops, you won't be able to carry.

Just because you have the CCW doesn't mean you have to carry. But having the CCW you can carry if you need or want to.....

Good point

 

[Asclepias]

Just curious...what are you looking at to get your CCW...here in Illinois it is 16 hours of training, finger printing, and about 150 dollars ......not including the cost for the classes......plus the photo I.D......

I cant get much consistent information so I have a call into my attorney to find out exactly. However it looks like between $350 and $700.

 

[Mr Natural]

Can you carry a gun around in your state without this permit?

Of course you can.

Just don't get caught.

 

[Asclepias]

Here is what Jeremy Stafford (author) says on Page 15 of the 2016 Guns And Ammo "Personal Defense" issue of their magazine:

"If you have the legal means to carry a gun and choose not to then you are a coward and a fool. Harsh words, but it is the truth."

I understand the "fool" part. By not carrying (and training and practicing) you are making yourself subservient to street thugs, robbers, rapists (if female), and last but not least although unlikeliest -- armed terrorists.

I don't agree with his "coward" part however because not everyone is cut out for a gunfight. A gunfight is simply a fight that also includes a gun. You need to be in good physical shape, jog, box, kickbox, shoot, get professional training, practice on your own, be alert and vigilant and always aware of your surroundings. You also need a fighter's attitude, not a wimp's.

That's why not everyone is cut out for it. And if you are not cut out for it then you should not carry at all, because ultimately your gun is then mostly likely to be taken from you and used against you.

The world is full of sheeple, wolves, and sheep dogs. So it all depends on which you are and whether you are willing to work hard to become instead.

Jeremy sounds like an idiot but he is entitled to his opinion. I think its more cowardly that you feel you have to have a gun especially when you rarely if ever are going to need to use your gun. As a former high level athlete and current civilian athlete, I understand the importance of training as it is not only fun but its creating muscle memory for that high stress time your body may need to react without having to think. The day I feel I have to carry a gun will probably be the day I feel frightened at the world around me.

 

[Asclepias]

Ok that sounds like a good benefit in theory that I had not considered. I know its a serious responsibility from my training in the military. I keep thinking of how draining it would be making sure people are not scared if they saw it and having to plan everything around it.

By keeping your pistol carefully concealed you do not upset anybody.

My 45ACP goes on over my underwear and under the rest of my clothes.

So my trousers, my shirt, my sweater, and my jacket or coat are all on over they weapon yet I can still easily reach inside and draw it in about 1 second.

Thats my point. I dont know if its worth the money to have to be so careful all the time. I dont know for sure if I would want the responsibility needed to carry legally after the novelty wore off

 

[Asclepias]

I let mine lapse by not renewing it. Why you ask? I became tired of lugging a concealed 357 J frame around for no apparent reason other than I could. In my state the glove box of the car is considered the equal of in the home. Carrying simply places to much responsibility on a person for the value received. If you want to carry, move to an open carry State. For me it is simply not worth the trouble, something I should have learned during my military years, but did not.

Yeah. After I got over the novelty of my M16 it was pain in the ass having to worry about it all the time. Our drill sergeants would steal them if you relaxed and if they got their hands on it without you catching them then that was your ass.

 

[Asclepias]

Here is what Jeremy Stafford (author) says on Page 15 of the 2016 Guns And Ammo "Personal Defense" issue of their magazine:

"If you have the legal means to carry a gun and choose not to then you are a coward and a fool. Harsh words, but it is the truth."

I understand the "fool" part. By not carrying (and training and practicing) you are making yourself subservient to street thugs, robbers, rapists (if female), and last but not least although unlikeliest -- armed terrorists.

I don't agree with his "coward" part however because not everyone is cut out for a gunfight. A gunfight is simply a fight that also includes a gun. You need to be in good physical shape, jog, box, kickbox, shoot, get professional training, practice on your own, be alert and vigilant and always aware of your surroundings. You also need a fighter's attitude, not a wimp's.

That's why not everyone is cut out for it. And if you are not cut out for it then you should not carry at all, because ultimately your gun is then mostly likely to be taken from you and used against you.

The world is full of sheeple, wolves, and sheep dogs. So it all depends on which you are and whether you are willing to work hard to become instead.

The idea that bad guys easily take guns from victims is just not born out by actual real world stories of self defense with a gun.........

And the Sheep Dog idea...that you have to be a gunman looking out for others is also a wrong attitude. If you happen to be armed and in the middle of a mass shooting or violent criminal attack, you have the ability to defend yourself and possibly a stranger who is being a victim...but you should not carry a gun with that attitude...it is a last resort, meant for survival....and it's use is a line you need to seriously ponder before you decide to carry. When people with guns get into trouble, it is often stepping forward when it would have been better to wait and let the police handle the criminal.......and once a threat is over you let it go.......you don't pursue or shoot at fleeing criminals....

I agree. One of the things I learned when I took martial arts was once I had the power I relaxed realizing the responsibility I had if I injured someone more than needed. I am sure this is very similar. You shouldnt turn into a cowboy just because you are carrying a gun. You should be even more conscientious of avoiding confrontation because you have the power to take a life and possibly an innocent life just by shooting a little to the left or right of your intended target.

 

[Asclepias]

I was at the range yesterday and one of the guys asked if I had my CCW. I told him that I had no reason to get one that i could think of. He looked like I had just told him that it wasnt necessary for me to eat for the rest of my life. I looked into the CCW today and found that its hell just getting one where I live. I was wondering what benefits will I gain by having one vs the cost of having one? Is it really worth it?

Can you carry a gun around in your state without this permit?

Nope. Cali is really bad on guns. You can only carry one if you are hiking out in the woods from what i remember. You have to be careful even going to the range. I have a lockable carry case that looks like it holds an IPad. You cant tell there is a weapon inside.

 

[PredFan]

I was at the range yesterday and one of the guys asked if I had my CCW. I told him that I had no reason to get one that i could think of. He looked like I had just told him that it wasnt necessary for me to eat for the rest of my life. I looked into the CCW today and found that its hell just getting one where I live. I was wondering what benefits will I gain by having one vs the cost of having one? Is it really worth it?

It depends on where you live. If it's very hard to get, like say, in New York, and you live in a decent neighborhood then you might correctly determine that it isn't worth the effort.

Here in Florida, it isn't too much of a hassle as long as you can pass a background check so even though I live in a good neighborhood, it's worth it just to not have to endure the waiting period when I buy a gun.

 

[Asclepias]

I was at the range yesterday and one of the guys asked if I had my CCW. I told him that I had no reason to get one that i could think of. He looked like I had just told him that it wasnt necessary for me to eat for the rest of my life. I looked into the CCW today and found that its hell just getting one where I live. I was wondering what benefits will I gain by having one vs the cost of having one? Is it really worth it?

It depends on where you live. If it's very hard to get, like say, in New York, and you live in a decent neighborhood then you might correctly determine that it isn't worth the effort.

Here in Florida, it isn't too much of a hassle as long as you can pass a background check so even though I live in a good neighborhood, it's worth it just to not have to endure the waiting period when I buy a gun.

I grew up in the ghetto and never carried one so it doesnt matter to me where I live. Where I live now is most likely more dangerous as i live closer to known areas of white nationalists. I'm looking for some benefits that outweigh the costs. Here you have to go through a background every time you buy a gun.

 

[PredFan]

I was at the range yesterday and one of the guys asked if I had my CCW. I told him that I had no reason to get one that i could think of. He looked like I had just told him that it wasnt necessary for me to eat for the rest of my life. I looked into the CCW today and found that its hell just getting one where I live. I was wondering what benefits will I gain by having one vs the cost of having one? Is it really worth it?

It depends on where you live. If it's very hard to get, like say, in New York, and you live in a decent neighborhood then you might correctly determine that it isn't worth the effort.

Here in Florida, it isn't too much of a hassle as long as you can pass a background check so even though I live in a good neighborhood, it's worth it just to not have to endure the waiting period when I buy a gun.

I grew up in the ghetto and never carried one so it doesnt matter to me where I live. Where I live now is most likely more dangerous as i live closer to known areas of white nationalists. I'm looking for some benefits that outweigh the costs. Here you have to go through a background every time you buy a gun.

Only you can decide what benefits will outweighs the cost. That's what I was saying. If the White Natuonalists are scaring you then that gives the benefit side a little more weight. But is it enough to outweigh the costs? Well like I said, that depends on the rules and costs of the state you are in.

 

[Asclepias]

I was at the range yesterday and one of the guys asked if I had my CCW. I told him that I had no reason to get one that i could think of. He looked like I had just told him that it wasnt necessary for me to eat for the rest of my life. I looked into the CCW today and found that its hell just getting one where I live. I was wondering what benefits will I gain by having one vs the cost of having one? Is it really worth it?

It depends on where you live. If it's very hard to get, like say, in New York, and you live in a decent neighborhood then you might correctly determine that it isn't worth the effort.

Here in Florida, it isn't too much of a hassle as long as you can pass a background check so even though I live in a good neighborhood, it's worth it just to not have to endure the waiting period when I buy a gun.

I grew up in the ghetto and never carried one so it doesnt matter to me where I live. Where I live now is most likely more dangerous as i live closer to known areas of white nationalists. I'm looking for some benefits that outweigh the costs. Here you have to go through a background every time you buy a gun.

Only you can decide what benefits will outweighs the cost. That's what I was saying. If the White Natuonalists are scaring you then that gives the benefit side a little more weight. But is it enough to outweigh the costs? Well like I said, that depends on the rules and costs of the state you are in.

Thats not true. People can still tell me what they consider a benefit. So far I have heard 2 that I hadnt thought of.

 

[PredFan]

I was at the range yesterday and one of the guys asked if I had my CCW. I told him that I had no reason to get one that i could think of. He looked like I had just told him that it wasnt necessary for me to eat for the rest of my life. I looked into the CCW today and found that its hell just getting one where I live. I was wondering what benefits will I gain by having one vs the cost of having one? Is it really worth it?

It depends on where you live. If it's very hard to get, like say, in New York, and you live in a decent neighborhood then you might correctly determine that it isn't worth the effort.

Here in Florida, it isn't too much of a hassle as long as you can pass a background check so even though I live in a good neighborhood, it's worth it just to not have to endure the waiting period when I buy a gun.

I grew up in the ghetto and never carried one so it doesnt matter to me where I live. Where I live now is most likely more dangerous as i live closer to known areas of white nationalists. I'm looking for some benefits that outweigh the costs. Here you have to go through a background every time you buy a gun.

Only you can decide what benefits will outweighs the cost. That's what I was saying. If the White Natuonalists are scaring you then that gives the benefit side a little more weight. But is it enough to outweigh the costs? Well like I said, that depends on the rules and costs of the state you are in.

Thats not true. People can still tell me what they consider a benefit. So far I have heard 2 that I hadnt thought of.

Ok so you are taking a poll, or a survey. I see. For me the benefits are not having to wait to buy a gun, protection for me, a chance for me to protect others, and the fact that it makes liberals cry.

 

[Asclepias]

I was at the range yesterday and one of the guys asked if I had my CCW. I told him that I had no reason to get one that i could think of. He looked like I had just told him that it wasnt necessary for me to eat for the rest of my life. I looked into the CCW today and found that its hell just getting one where I live. I was wondering what benefits will I gain by having one vs the cost of having one? Is it really worth it?

It depends on where you live. If it's very hard to get, like say, in New York, and you live in a decent neighborhood then you might correctly determine that it isn't worth the effort.

Here in Florida, it isn't too much of a hassle as long as you can pass a background check so even though I live in a good neighborhood, it's worth it just to not have to endure the waiting period when I buy a gun.

I grew up in the ghetto and never carried one so it doesnt matter to me where I live. Where I live now is most likely more dangerous as i live closer to known areas of white nationalists. I'm looking for some benefits that outweigh the costs. Here you have to go through a background every time you buy a gun.

Only you can decide what benefits will outweighs the cost. That's what I was saying. If the White Natuonalists are scaring you then that gives the benefit side a little more weight. But is it enough to outweigh the costs? Well like I said, that depends on the rules and costs of the state you are in.

Thats not true. People can still tell me what they consider a benefit. So far I have heard 2 that I hadnt thought of.

Ok so you are taking a poll, or a survey. I see. For me the benefits are not having to wait to buy a gun, protection for me, a chance for me to protect others, and the fact that it makes liberals cry.

i am a liberal and CCWs dont make me cry. They make me wonder if you actually have job that requires a CCW or are you afraid of other humans for some unknown reason. Typically I find that if they dont fall into the first two categories they are usually people that were born after the wild west had gone away.

 

[PredFan]

It depends on where you live. If it's very hard to get, like say, in New York, and you live in a decent neighborhood then you might correctly determine that it isn't worth the effort.

Here in Florida, it isn't too much of a hassle as long as you can pass a background check so even though I live in a good neighborhood, it's worth it just to not have to endure the waiting period when I buy a gun.

I grew up in the ghetto and never carried one so it doesnt matter to me where I live. Where I live now is most likely more dangerous as i live closer to known areas of white nationalists. I'm looking for some benefits that outweigh the costs. Here you have to go through a background every time you buy a gun.

Only you can decide what benefits will outweighs the cost. That's what I was saying. If the White Natuonalists are scaring you then that gives the benefit side a little more weight. But is it enough to outweigh the costs? Well like I said, that depends on the rules and costs of the state you are in.

Thats not true. People can still tell me what they consider a benefit. So far I have heard 2 that I hadnt thought of.

Ok so you are taking a poll, or a survey. I see. For me the benefits are not having to wait to buy a gun, protection for me, a chance for me to protect others, and the fact that it makes liberals cry.

i am a liberal and CCWs dont make me cry. They make me wonder if you actually have job that requires a CCW or are you afraid of other humans for some unknown reason. Typically I find that if they dont fall into the first two categories they are usually people that were born after the wild west had gone away.

Ah, so you aren't really interested in hearing our opinions except to turn them into a chance to attack.

I'll leave you to your self-serving bogus thread then.

 

[Asclepias]

I grew up in the ghetto and never carried one so it doesnt matter to me where I live. Where I live now is most likely more dangerous as i live closer to known areas of white nationalists. I'm looking for some benefits that outweigh the costs. Here you have to go through a background every time you buy a gun.

Only you can decide what benefits will outweighs the cost. That's what I was saying. If the White Natuonalists are scaring you then that gives the benefit side a little more weight. But is it enough to outweigh the costs? Well like I said, that depends on the rules and costs of the state you are in.

Thats not true. People can still tell me what they consider a benefit. So far I have heard 2 that I hadnt thought of.

Ok so you are taking a poll, or a survey. I see. For me the benefits are not having to wait to buy a gun, protection for me, a chance for me to protect others, and the fact that it makes liberals cry.

i am a liberal and CCWs dont make me cry. They make me wonder if you actually have job that requires a CCW or are you afraid of other humans for some unknown reason. Typically I find that if they dont fall into the first two categories they are usually people that were born after the wild west had gone away.

Ah, so you aren't really interested in hearing our opinions except to turn them into a chance to attack.

I'll leave you to your self-serving bogus thread then.

Of course I am interested in hearing your opinions on what you think the benefits and the cons are. Thats why I asked. What I am not particularly interested in are the little snide references to liberals.

 

[PredFan]

Only you can decide what benefits will outweighs the cost. That's what I was saying. If the White Natuonalists are scaring you then that gives the benefit side a little more weight. But is it enough to outweigh the costs? Well like I said, that depends on the rules and costs of the state you are in.

Thats not true. People can still tell me what they consider a benefit. So far I have heard 2 that I hadnt thought of.

Ok so you are taking a poll, or a survey. I see. For me the benefits are not having to wait to buy a gun, protection for me, a chance for me to protect others, and the fact that it makes liberals cry.

i am a liberal and CCWs dont make me cry. They make me wonder if you actually have job that requires a CCW or are you afraid of other humans for some unknown reason. Typically I find that if they dont fall into the first two categories they are usually people that were born after the wild west had gone away.

Ah, so you aren't really interested in hearing our opinions except to turn them into a chance to attack.

I'll leave you to your self-serving bogus thread then.

Of course I am interested in hearing your opinions on what you think the benefits and the cons are. Thats why I asked. What I am not particularly interested in are the little snide references to liberals.

You asked me for my reasons. The fact that it makes liberals cry is one of my reasons.

 

[Asclepias]

Thats not true. People can still tell me what they consider a benefit. So far I have heard 2 that I hadnt thought of.

Ok so you are taking a poll, or a survey. I see. For me the benefits are not having to wait to buy a gun, protection for me, a chance for me to protect others, and the fact that it makes liberals cry.

i am a liberal and CCWs dont make me cry. They make me wonder if you actually have job that requires a CCW or are you afraid of other humans for some unknown reason. Typically I find that if they dont fall into the first two categories they are usually people that were born after the wild west had gone away.

Ah, so you aren't really interested in hearing our opinions except to turn them into a chance to attack.

I'll leave you to your self-serving bogus thread then.

Of course I am interested in hearing your opinions on what you think the benefits and the cons are. Thats why I asked. What I am not particularly interested in are the little snide references to liberals.

You asked me for my reasons. The fact that it makes liberals cry is one of my reasons.

Thats not a valid reason for a lot of reasons. The main one being that lots of liberals have guns and CCW's. Considering this leads me to believe your brain is hallucinating and i cant take your reasoning seriously..