Pro-abortion? Why?

[Foolardi]

Everyone is tired of dishonest rightwing demagogues lying about ‘paying’ for abortions.

Yer the Liar and so dishonest it's unearthly.If Kermit Gosnell was never
exposed and his House of Horrors not randomly given an unannounced
Health inspection he probably would be honored by those scumbags
who screech alongside their democrat buddies.Yelping for more.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The Far Right uses Pro-Abortion as a political cliché. No one is Pro-Abortion. But many of us feel that a woman should have a right to choose. Just like many on the Far Right say they should have a right to choose whether to wear a mask.

It’s just not the far-right – it’s the right in its entirety.

For conservatives 'abortion' is a political weapon; they use lies and demagoguery to attack political opponents and energize the political base.

 

[Foolardi]

In your personal, subjective opinion – but not as a fact of law.

What’s truly repugnant, a great evil, and a tragedy is the authoritarian right seeking more government, bigger government interfering in citizens’ private lives, compelling women to give birth against their will through force of law.

Yer totally incapable of being honest.Like the Democrats.
Just one flabbergasted lie atop another.The GOP stands for
being Unauthoritarian.Like all those Red States during the Pandemic.
How many Red State Governors acted like Brutes { Authoritarians}
Versus Blue State Governors.
In fact,yer worse than a mere Liar.Yer an assclown at a really cruddy
Carny.Meaning you actually reside in one them small,filthy
Carnival Trailers.That can be seen parked nearby but slightly out of sight.

 

[alang1216]

No they would not.

I said "combination of DNA."

Ahh, now I see the problem, you don't understand biology. When you can figure out why I can say that, you'll have learned something and then, and only then, have the tools to discuss the issue intelligently.

 

[Ropey]

strollingbones

 

[playtime]

If you feel strongly that abortion should be available to all women at all times, I'd like to know why you think this is important. I am NOT interested in whether you think abortion is "moral" or "immoral", only in why you feel access to abortion as a health service is necessary.

the most important thing a person can have - male or female - is autonomy over one's body; otherwise one is owned. as for abortion access being a health service - that becomes necessary when a female wants to guide her own destiny.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

discuss the issue intelligently.

That's not going to happen with conservatives.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Yer totally incapable of being honest.Like the Democrats.
Just one flabbergasted lie atop another.The GOP stands for
being Unauthoritarian.Like all those Red States during the Pandemic.
How many Red State Governors acted like Brutes { Authoritarians}
Versus Blue State Governors.
In fact,yer worse than a mere Liar.Yer an assclown at a really cruddy
Carny.Meaning you actually reside in one them small,filthy
Carnival Trailers.That can be seen parked nearby but slightly out of sight.

Conservatives are either advocates of ‘small government’ or they’re not – ‘small government’ is far much more than just reckless, irresponsible tax cuts and deregulation.

To be consistent with their advocacy of ‘small government,’ conservatives must oppose government excess and overreach wherever it manifests, such as ‘banning’ abortion.

But those on the authoritarian right are not advocates of ‘small government,’ they seek to codify their personal, subjective opinions concerning abortion in public law all must obey, violating a woman’s right to privacy, compelling women to give birth against their will.

Advocating for ‘small government’ often means recognizing and defending the right of one’s fellow citizens to engage in practices conservatives might find offensive and repugnant.

 

[alang1216]

That's not going to happen with conservatives.

I have a neighbor I regularly walk with and he's a hardcore conservative and VERY intelligent. I fear the intelligent conservatives have gone underground.

 

[Unkotare]

....

For conservatives 'abortion' is a political weapon; ....

For leftists, it is killing for convenience.

 

[dudmuck]

Do you even know or care what the defintion of Human life comprises.
It's at The Moment of Conception.
Even those who raise guppies can understand that.
Just as an Infant is not a child.A toddler is not an infant.
A Teenager is not a child.
Man oh boy is our Society screwed.

what about those already born, lives shortened by pollution.

 

[Unkotare]

what about those already born, lives shortened by pollution.

What about middle-aged people who die from slipping in the shower?

wtf?

 

[dudmuck]

What about middle-aged people who die from slipping in the shower?

wtf?

thats an accident.
Pollutants shortening lives isnt an accident.

 

[Unkotare]

thats an accident.
Pollutants shortening lives isnt [sic] an accident.

NO, killing an unborn baby isn't an accident.

 

[Foolardi]

the most important thing a person can have - male or female - is autonomy over one's body; otherwise one is owned. as for abortion access being a health service - that becomes necessary when a female wants to guide her own destiny.

Yeah right,Bub.Until and unless a Pandemic strikes.
Then the Authoritarian Left makes-up all kinds of Lies to
control human activity.Lies Not based in Science.But sheer control.
Nothing but control.Where the old standby adage of the left was
a Woman should have a right of choice.Again until living in a Blue
state and maybe a Nurse.Who Must get vaccinated or face being fired.
Where the word " Choice " is never mentioned.Just ... :
Just Shut-Up and OBEY

 

[Foolardi]

That's not going to happen with conservatives.

Here's the deal.If you want to be taken seriously in a credibly
or scholarly way you must use common sense,first and foremost.
I am not against bashing Conservatives or Conservatism.But it
must be done with Honesty.In a sort of Thomas Acquinas way.
It would be like denying Nature because of God.
God who is the author of Nature.The simple fact remains.
The Left does not value Truth.
" God wills all men to be saved by his antecedent will,which
is to will not absolutely,but relatively; and not by his consequent
will,which is to will absolutely."
" Human salvation demands the divine disclosure of
Truths surpassing Reason. "
-- St.Thomas Aquinas { Scholastic philosopher }.

 

[OKTexas]

If you feel strongly that abortion should be available to all women at all times, I'd like to know why you think this is important.

I am NOT interested in whether you think abortion is "moral" or "immoral", only in why you feel access to abortion as a health service is necessary.

This is not a "trick question", I want honest answers.

Flamers will be reported and ignored.

The fact is that abortion rarely has anything to do with "health". Well it is detrimental to the health of the child. What does the Hippocratic oath say, first do no harm?

.

 

[Rigby5]

There are a gazillion reasons why abortion can never really be made illegal.

First of all, no one else has that authority to make abortion illegal.
The woman has inherent rights to her body and life, and no one can tell her she has to be a baby factory for 9 months, and deal with all the pain and risk.
Governments do not have any superior authority over women, that would allow them to tell women what they can or can not do with their own bodies.
For example, making prostitution illegal is also exceeding the legal authority of government.
Any government that ties to assume these authorities is insane puritanical and religious tyranny that has to be utterly destroyed, as pure evil.

Second is that anyone claiming abortion is murder is obviously deliberately lying. We were all born and know that we were not really conscious of ourselves, until the age of at least 2 or 3 years. You could abort 2 year old and they would not at all care. They do not yet have sentience or consciousness. We all know that, because we can't even remember anything at all from under the age of 2 years.

Third is that human over population is about to destroy all life on the planet.
Humans have a very high reproductive rate, like rabbits, because historically we were prey.
Now that we no longer are prey, we have to reduce our reproductive rate so that we do not increase our population.
Otherwise we will use up all the water and resource, polluting and killing all other life on the planet.

Forth is that anti-abortion laws make absolutely no sense.
People are going to have X number of offspring, and whether you have them earlier or later, all the rest are going to be killed. It does not matter is you kill they with spermicide, abortion, or anything else. The point is all women have thousands of ovum, and almost all of them are going to die, no matter what, and they must. All abortion does is allow us as intelligent human beings, to decide how to optimize the offspring we finally do want and are ready for.
All anti-abortion laws do is force people to ruin their lives and their families, by excess pregnancies, too early. Humans are programmed to get pregnant by 13 so that the prey species would survive. But that is no longer necessary or optimal. And there is no way to deal with the conflicting instincts, other than abortion. That is unless we want society to subsidize these early accidental pregnancies?

There are an infinite number of other reasons why abortion is necessary. But this should be more than enough for now.

 

[Rigby5]

Here's the deal.If you want to be taken seriously in a credibly
or scholarly way you must use common sense,first and foremost.
I am not against bashing Conservatives or Conservatism.But it
must be done with Honesty.In a sort of Thomas Acquinas way.
It would be like denying Nature because of God.
God who is the author of Nature.The simple fact remains.
The Left does not value Truth.
" God wills all men to be saved by his antecedent will,which
is to will not absolutely,but relatively; and not by his consequent
will,which is to will absolutely."
" Human salvation demands the divine disclosure of
Truths surpassing Reason. "
-- St.Thomas Aquinas { Scholastic philosopher }.

Conservatism requires that government not exceed its inherent authority, but trying to criminalize abortion clearly does exceed the inherent authority of government.

 

[Rigby5]

The fact is that abortion rarely has anything to do with "health". Well it is detrimental to the health of the child. What does the Hippocratic oath say, first do no harm?

.

Do no harm to the patient, not preserve an embryo that clearly is NOT a person.