Polling suggests 'regime change' in Russia would lead to far-right or Communist Kremlin, pro-Western liberals have no support

[Tom Paine 1949]

I am wondering if any of our mostly fiercely anti-Putin USMB commenters have a response to this Moscow-based Irish journalist’s view of the situation in Russia today. Democrats of course charge Trump with being in the pocket of Kremlin dictator Putin, while Donald Trump himself can rightfully point out that he has imposed stronger unilateral economic sanctions on Russia (and European companies trading with Russia) than even Obama.

But what about what Russians think and want? What effect does manifest U.S. hostility to Russian national interests have on them? Isn’t the tiny pro-Western, pro-U.S. element among Russian citizens today tiny ... and also shrinking? Is Putin and his authoritarian faction actually the best among all the realistic alternative power centers to rule the nation?

This article appeared in RT recently, and reflects a Putin sympathetic view:

...

“One of the great mysteries in US/UK analysis of Russia is the apparently almost universally accepted belief that the implosion of Putin's system would somehow gift Moscow 'back' to the West, resetting the clock to the 1990s.

The general consensus seems to be that Russians are secretly bursting with desire for 'freedom,' counting down the days until they can re-embrace Uncle Sam....

“What makes things even more bizarre is the suspension of disbelief required to continuously present the small, Western-leaning Moscow protest movement as Russia's alternative government-in-waiting. There are countless hagiographies in US/UK media of Alexei Navalny, and other fringe voices acceptable to the West, but its consumers know precious little about the reality on the ground.

“A problem for Western policy towards Russia is that the real alternatives to Vladimir Putin are even worse from a liberal point of view. Thus, politicians, analysts and media have essentially created their own fantasy opposition to delude themselves into thinking there's a favorable realistic substitute. But data suggests this is a fallacy and essentially an alibi for the lack of a coherent strategy for dealing with Russia as it is, rather than Russia as they would like it to be....”

Polling suggests 'regime change' in Russia would lead to far-right or Communist Kremlin, pro-Western liberals have no support

 

[Gdjjr]

Sanctions are an act of war- according to some. So who is actually acting as a despot?

 

[depotoo]

They are all closet kgb.

 

[BigDave]

The Communist Democrats are going down big time on November 3rd

 

[Marion Morrison]

No more "regime-change" garbage. It has never worked.
When something doesn't work, you abandon the idea and try something else.
You don't keep trying it over and over and over.

 

[Silver Cat]

Yes. They really think that the Night King and Thanos were good.


And, of course, Mordor was "good", too.

The Last Ringbearer - Еськов Кирилл :: Режим чтения

royallib.com

"
It was at such a midnight hour that two men moved like gray shadows along the gravelly inner edge of a sickle-shaped gap between two low dunes, and the distance between them was exactly that prescribed by the Field Manual for such occasions. However, contrary to the rules, the one bearing the largest load was not the rear ‘main force’ private, but rather the ‘forward recon’ one, but there were good reasons for that. The one in the rear limped noticeably and was nearly out of strength; his face – narrow and beak-nosed, clearly showing a generous serving of Umbar blood – was covered with a sheen of sticky sweat. The one in the lead was a typical Orocuen by his looks, short and wide-faced – in other words, the very ‘Orc’ that mothers of Westernesse use to scare unruly children; this one advanced in a fast zigzagging pattern, his every movement noiseless, precise and spare, like those of a predator that has scented prey. He had given his cloak of bactrian wool, which always keeps the same temperature – whether in the heat of midday or the pre-dawn chill – to his partner, leaving himself with a captured Elvish cloak, priceless in a forest but utterly useless here in the desert.
But it was not the cold that bothered the Orocuen right now: listening keenly to the silence of the night, he cringed as if with toothache every time he heard the crunch of gravel under the unsure feet of his companion. Sure, to run into an Elvish patrol here, in the middle of the desert, would be almost impossible, and besides, for Elves starlight is not light at all, they need the moon… Nevertheless, Sergeant Tzerlag, leader of a scouting platoon of the Cirith Ungol Rangers, never relied on chance in his work, and always tirelessly repeated to new recruits: “Remember this, guys: the Field Manual is a book where every jot and tittle is written with the blood of smartasses who tried to do it their way.” This must have been how he managed to lose only two men during the entire three years of the war, and in his own estimation he was prouder of that than of the Medal of the Eye, which he received last spring from the Commander of the South Army."
[.... ]
“Sir Engold, look! What’s that?!”
At the cry of his comrades the Elf turned around and stared, frozen, at something resembling a colossal dandelion swiftly grow to the sky beyond the Anduin, right where Caras Galadhon ought to be – a thin blinding-white stalk crowned with a bright-red bulbous ‘flower.’ Almighty Eru, if this thing is indeed in Galadhon, how huge must it be? What Galadhon? There’s probably not even ashes left there…"

 

[ESay]

I am wondering if any of our mostly fiercely anti-Putin USMB commenters have a response to this Moscow-based Irish journalist’s view of the situation in Russia today. Democrats of course charge Trump with being in the pocket of Kremlin dictator Putin, while Donald Trump himself can rightfully point out that he has imposed stronger unilateral economic sanctions on Russia (and European companies trading with Russia) than even Obama.

But what about what Russians think and want? What effect does manifest U.S. hostility to Russian national interests have on them? Isn’t the tiny pro-Western, pro-U.S. element among Russian citizens today tiny ... and also shrinking? Is Putin and his authoritarian faction actually the best among all the realistic alternative power centers to rule the nation?

This article appeared in RT recently, and reflects a Putin sympathetic view:

...

“One of the great mysteries in US/UK analysis of Russia is the apparently almost universally accepted belief that the implosion of Putin's system would somehow gift Moscow 'back' to the West, resetting the clock to the 1990s.

The general consensus seems to be that Russians are secretly bursting with desire for 'freedom,' counting down the days until they can re-embrace Uncle Sam....

“What makes things even more bizarre is the suspension of disbelief required to continuously present the small, Western-leaning Moscow protest movement as Russia's alternative government-in-waiting. There are countless hagiographies in US/UK media of Alexei Navalny, and other fringe voices acceptable to the West, but its consumers know precious little about the reality on the ground.

“A problem for Western policy towards Russia is that the real alternatives to Vladimir Putin are even worse from a liberal point of view. Thus, politicians, analysts and media have essentially created their own fantasy opposition to delude themselves into thinking there's a favorable realistic substitute. But data suggests this is a fallacy and essentially an alibi for the lack of a coherent strategy for dealing with Russia as it is, rather than Russia as they would like it to be....”

Polling suggests 'regime change' in Russia would lead to far-right or Communist Kremlin, pro-Western liberals have no support

RT? Of course, they will be saying that Putin is the best choice.

But overall, there are the grains of truth in their claim. 'Liberal' is almost a curse word among most of Russians. And basically, liberalism is at odds with Russian nature which is more in favor with a paternalistic state with a strong ruler.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I am wondering if any of our mostly fiercely anti-Putin USMB commenters have a response to this Moscow-based Irish journalist’s view of the situation in Russia today. Democrats of course charge Trump with being in the pocket of Kremlin dictator Putin, while Donald Trump himself can rightfully point out that he has imposed stronger unilateral economic sanctions on Russia (and European companies trading with Russia) than even Obama.

But what about what Russians think and want? What effect does manifest U.S. hostility to Russian national interests have on them? Isn’t the tiny pro-Western, pro-U.S. element among Russian citizens today tiny ... and also shrinking? Is Putin and his authoritarian faction actually the best among all the realistic alternative power centers to rule the nation?

This article appeared in RT recently, and reflects a Putin sympathetic view:

...

“One of the great mysteries in US/UK analysis of Russia is the apparently almost universally accepted belief that the implosion of Putin's system would somehow gift Moscow 'back' to the West, resetting the clock to the 1990s.

The general consensus seems to be that Russians are secretly bursting with desire for 'freedom,' counting down the days until they can re-embrace Uncle Sam....

“What makes things even more bizarre is the suspension of disbelief required to continuously present the small, Western-leaning Moscow protest movement as Russia's alternative government-in-waiting. There are countless hagiographies in US/UK media of Alexei Navalny, and other fringe voices acceptable to the West, but its consumers know precious little about the reality on the ground.

“A problem for Western policy towards Russia is that the real alternatives to Vladimir Putin are even worse from a liberal point of view. Thus, politicians, analysts and media have essentially created their own fantasy opposition to delude themselves into thinking there's a favorable realistic substitute. But data suggests this is a fallacy and essentially an alibi for the lack of a coherent strategy for dealing with Russia as it is, rather than Russia as they would like it to be....”

Polling suggests 'regime change' in Russia would lead to far-right or Communist Kremlin, pro-Western liberals have no support

RT? Of course, they will be saying that Putin is the best choice.

But overall, there are the grains of truth in their claim. 'Liberal' is almost a curse word among most of Russians. And basically, liberalism is at odds with Russian nature which is more in favor with a paternalistic state with a strong ruler.

 

[ESay]

I am wondering if any of our mostly fiercely anti-Putin USMB commenters have a response to this Moscow-based Irish journalist’s view of the situation in Russia today. Democrats of course charge Trump with being in the pocket of Kremlin dictator Putin, while Donald Trump himself can rightfully point out that he has imposed stronger unilateral economic sanctions on Russia (and European companies trading with Russia) than even Obama.

But what about what Russians think and want? What effect does manifest U.S. hostility to Russian national interests have on them? Isn’t the tiny pro-Western, pro-U.S. element among Russian citizens today tiny ... and also shrinking? Is Putin and his authoritarian faction actually the best among all the realistic alternative power centers to rule the nation?

This article appeared in RT recently, and reflects a Putin sympathetic view:

...

“One of the great mysteries in US/UK analysis of Russia is the apparently almost universally accepted belief that the implosion of Putin's system would somehow gift Moscow 'back' to the West, resetting the clock to the 1990s.

The general consensus seems to be that Russians are secretly bursting with desire for 'freedom,' counting down the days until they can re-embrace Uncle Sam....

“What makes things even more bizarre is the suspension of disbelief required to continuously present the small, Western-leaning Moscow protest movement as Russia's alternative government-in-waiting. There are countless hagiographies in US/UK media of Alexei Navalny, and other fringe voices acceptable to the West, but its consumers know precious little about the reality on the ground.

“A problem for Western policy towards Russia is that the real alternatives to Vladimir Putin are even worse from a liberal point of view. Thus, politicians, analysts and media have essentially created their own fantasy opposition to delude themselves into thinking there's a favorable realistic substitute. But data suggests this is a fallacy and essentially an alibi for the lack of a coherent strategy for dealing with Russia as it is, rather than Russia as they would like it to be....”

Polling suggests 'regime change' in Russia would lead to far-right or Communist Kremlin, pro-Western liberals have no support

RT? Of course, they will be saying that Putin is the best choice.

But overall, there are the grains of truth in their claim. 'Liberal' is almost a curse word among most of Russians. And basically, liberalism is at odds with Russian nature which is more in favor with a paternalistic state with a strong ruler.

I thought that kids of your age should already be able to pass information through words rather than pictures.

 

[Silver Cat]

I am wondering if any of our mostly fiercely anti-Putin USMB commenters have a response to this Moscow-based Irish journalist’s view of the situation in Russia today. Democrats of course charge Trump with being in the pocket of Kremlin dictator Putin, while Donald Trump himself can rightfully point out that he has imposed stronger unilateral economic sanctions on Russia (and European companies trading with Russia) than even Obama.

But what about what Russians think and want? What effect does manifest U.S. hostility to Russian national interests have on them? Isn’t the tiny pro-Western, pro-U.S. element among Russian citizens today tiny ... and also shrinking? Is Putin and his authoritarian faction actually the best among all the realistic alternative power centers to rule the nation?

This article appeared in RT recently, and reflects a Putin sympathetic view:

...

“One of the great mysteries in US/UK analysis of Russia is the apparently almost universally accepted belief that the implosion of Putin's system would somehow gift Moscow 'back' to the West, resetting the clock to the 1990s.

The general consensus seems to be that Russians are secretly bursting with desire for 'freedom,' counting down the days until they can re-embrace Uncle Sam....

“What makes things even more bizarre is the suspension of disbelief required to continuously present the small, Western-leaning Moscow protest movement as Russia's alternative government-in-waiting. There are countless hagiographies in US/UK media of Alexei Navalny, and other fringe voices acceptable to the West, but its consumers know precious little about the reality on the ground.

“A problem for Western policy towards Russia is that the real alternatives to Vladimir Putin are even worse from a liberal point of view. Thus, politicians, analysts and media have essentially created their own fantasy opposition to delude themselves into thinking there's a favorable realistic substitute. But data suggests this is a fallacy and essentially an alibi for the lack of a coherent strategy for dealing with Russia as it is, rather than Russia as they would like it to be....”

Polling suggests 'regime change' in Russia would lead to far-right or Communist Kremlin, pro-Western liberals have no support

RT? Of course, they will be saying that Putin is the best choice.

But overall, there are the grains of truth in their claim. 'Liberal' is almost a curse word among most of Russians. And basically, liberalism is at odds with Russian nature which is more in favor with a paternalistic state with a strong ruler.

Sorry, but "Maternalistic". Russia is a woman, you know.

" America don't love us,
England don't love us,
Germany don't love us,
For many centuries.
France don't love us,
Japan don't love us,
For short - nobody loves us,
But everyone wants to f-ck.
But we - we can't without love,
But we - we don't want without love,
This feeling is the most important for us,
And we'll not allow them without love.

 

[ESay]

I am wondering if any of our mostly fiercely anti-Putin USMB commenters have a response to this Moscow-based Irish journalist’s view of the situation in Russia today. Democrats of course charge Trump with being in the pocket of Kremlin dictator Putin, while Donald Trump himself can rightfully point out that he has imposed stronger unilateral economic sanctions on Russia (and European companies trading with Russia) than even Obama.

But what about what Russians think and want? What effect does manifest U.S. hostility to Russian national interests have on them? Isn’t the tiny pro-Western, pro-U.S. element among Russian citizens today tiny ... and also shrinking? Is Putin and his authoritarian faction actually the best among all the realistic alternative power centers to rule the nation?

This article appeared in RT recently, and reflects a Putin sympathetic view:

...

“One of the great mysteries in US/UK analysis of Russia is the apparently almost universally accepted belief that the implosion of Putin's system would somehow gift Moscow 'back' to the West, resetting the clock to the 1990s.

The general consensus seems to be that Russians are secretly bursting with desire for 'freedom,' counting down the days until they can re-embrace Uncle Sam....

“What makes things even more bizarre is the suspension of disbelief required to continuously present the small, Western-leaning Moscow protest movement as Russia's alternative government-in-waiting. There are countless hagiographies in US/UK media of Alexei Navalny, and other fringe voices acceptable to the West, but its consumers know precious little about the reality on the ground.

“A problem for Western policy towards Russia is that the real alternatives to Vladimir Putin are even worse from a liberal point of view. Thus, politicians, analysts and media have essentially created their own fantasy opposition to delude themselves into thinking there's a favorable realistic substitute. But data suggests this is a fallacy and essentially an alibi for the lack of a coherent strategy for dealing with Russia as it is, rather than Russia as they would like it to be....”

Polling suggests 'regime change' in Russia would lead to far-right or Communist Kremlin, pro-Western liberals have no support

RT? Of course, they will be saying that Putin is the best choice.

But overall, there are the grains of truth in their claim. 'Liberal' is almost a curse word among most of Russians. And basically, liberalism is at odds with Russian nature which is more in favor with a paternalistic state with a strong ruler.

Sorry, but "Maternalistic". Russia is a woman, you know.

" America don't love us,
England don't love us,
Germany don't love us,
For many centuries.
France don't love us,
Japan don't love us,
For short - nobody loves us,
But everyone wants to f-ck.
But we - we can't without love,
But we - we don't want without love,
This feeling is the most important for us,
And we'll not allow them without love.

paternalistic adjective

of a government or an employer) protecting the people who are governed or employed by providing them with what they need, but not giving them any responsibility or freedom of choice

paternalistic adjective - Definition, pictures, pronunciation and usage notes | Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary at OxfordLearnersDictionaries.com

Definition of paternalistic adjective in Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary. Meaning, pronunciation, picture, example sentences, grammar, usage notes, synonyms and more.

www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com

 

[Silver Cat]

I am wondering if any of our mostly fiercely anti-Putin USMB commenters have a response to this Moscow-based Irish journalist’s view of the situation in Russia today. Democrats of course charge Trump with being in the pocket of Kremlin dictator Putin, while Donald Trump himself can rightfully point out that he has imposed stronger unilateral economic sanctions on Russia (and European companies trading with Russia) than even Obama.

But what about what Russians think and want? What effect does manifest U.S. hostility to Russian national interests have on them? Isn’t the tiny pro-Western, pro-U.S. element among Russian citizens today tiny ... and also shrinking? Is Putin and his authoritarian faction actually the best among all the realistic alternative power centers to rule the nation?

This article appeared in RT recently, and reflects a Putin sympathetic view:

...

“One of the great mysteries in US/UK analysis of Russia is the apparently almost universally accepted belief that the implosion of Putin's system would somehow gift Moscow 'back' to the West, resetting the clock to the 1990s.

The general consensus seems to be that Russians are secretly bursting with desire for 'freedom,' counting down the days until they can re-embrace Uncle Sam....

“What makes things even more bizarre is the suspension of disbelief required to continuously present the small, Western-leaning Moscow protest movement as Russia's alternative government-in-waiting. There are countless hagiographies in US/UK media of Alexei Navalny, and other fringe voices acceptable to the West, but its consumers know precious little about the reality on the ground.

“A problem for Western policy towards Russia is that the real alternatives to Vladimir Putin are even worse from a liberal point of view. Thus, politicians, analysts and media have essentially created their own fantasy opposition to delude themselves into thinking there's a favorable realistic substitute. But data suggests this is a fallacy and essentially an alibi for the lack of a coherent strategy for dealing with Russia as it is, rather than Russia as they would like it to be....”

Polling suggests 'regime change' in Russia would lead to far-right or Communist Kremlin, pro-Western liberals have no support

RT? Of course, they will be saying that Putin is the best choice.

But overall, there are the grains of truth in their claim. 'Liberal' is almost a curse word among most of Russians. And basically, liberalism is at odds with Russian nature which is more in favor with a paternalistic state with a strong ruler.

Sorry, but "Maternalistic". Russia is a woman, you know.

" America don't love us,
England don't love us,
Germany don't love us,
For many centuries.
France don't love us,
Japan don't love us,
For short - nobody loves us,
But everyone wants to f-ck.
But we - we can't without love,
But we - we don't want without love,
This feeling is the most important for us,
And we'll not allow them without love.

paternalistic adjective

Yes, I know. The word "paternalistic" came from Latin word "Pater" (Father). But Russia can't be "father", Russia can be "mother", "wife" or "daughter ". Listen the doctor about the proper forms of love of country.