POLL: The GOP and "Socialism"

[JBond]

Venezuela crisis: How did we get here?
Thread over...

Is Venezuela the only example of socialism? Can you think of any others?
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Non Marxist-Leninist Socialist Countries

• Bangladesh (1971-)
• Guinea-Bissau (1973-)
• Guyana (1980-)
• India (1976-)
• North Korea (1992-)
• Nepal (2015-)
• Portugal (1976-)
• Sao Tome (1975-)
• Sri Lanka (1985-)
• Tanzania (1964-)
• Algeria (1963-1989)
• Burma (1962-1988)

Former Non Marxist-Leninist Socialist Countries

• Cape Verde (1975-1992)
• Egypt (1958-2007)
• Iraq (1968-2003)
• Libya (1969-2011)
• Madagascar (1975-1992)
• Sudan (1973-1985)
• Syria (1963-2012)

Former Marxist-Leninist Countries

• Afghanistan (1978-1992)
• Albania (1946-1992)
• Angola (1975-1992)
• Benin (1975-1990)
• Bulgaria (1946-1990)
• Cambodia (1975-1989)
• Congo (1975-1992)
• Czechoslovakia (1946-1990)
• Ethiopia (1974-1991)
• East Germany (1949-1990)
• Hungary) (1949-1989)
• North Korea 1948-1992 (in 1992, all references to Marxist-Leninism were scrubbed. Remains generic "socialist" state)
• Mongolia (1924-1990)
• Mozambique (1975-1990) (my mom who is Portuguese lived here during this time)
• Poland (1945-1989)
• Romania (1947-1989)
• Somalia (1969-1991)
• Soviet Union (1922-1991)
• North Vietnam (1945-1975) (then they won the war)
• South Yemen (1967-1990)
• Ukraine (1919-1991)
• Yugoslavia (1945-1992)

Current Marxist-Leninist countries include:

• China (soft-landing)
• Cuba (in progress)
• Laos (80% of population works in agriculture, one of the lowest annual incomes of any country in the world. 1/3 earn below $1.25 per day)
• Vietnam (I'm sure the government here is very much aware I just googled this to get that wikipedia page) (soft-landing)

Great!

I don't see Germany or Sweden on there. Are they socialist?
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In the 1990s Swedes began to realize what socialism and statism were doing to the quality of life in their country. As a result, they elected Sweden’s first conservative government since the end of World War II. Knowing precisely what needed to be done to pull their nation back from the abyss of economic ruin, Sweden’s new conservative government quickly went to work cutting taxes on businesses and individuals. Things began to change for the better almost immediately. Consider the following improvements Sweden has enjoyed since beginning the long, hard road back from socialism and statism (data provided by the NCPA):

Between 1993 and 2010, Sweden’s GDP growth exceeded that of the rest of Europe by one full percentage point. Further, by 2010 public debt had dropped to 37 percent of GDP and taxes on businesses had been decreased to 22 percent (compare this with the 36 percent rate in the United States).

Sweden’s political leaders transformed the nation’s retirement pension system from a defined-benefit system into a defined contribution system, thereby saving it from inevitable insolvency.

The Swedish Fiscal Policy Council was established and empowered to independently monitor and evaluate government fiscal policy. The Council’s most current recommendation is that Sweden raise its retirement age to protect the long-term solvency of the nation’s retirement system.

Sweden Leads The Way In Dumping Socialism | BWCentral

LMFAO!

Ah, yes, conservative Sweden.

Universal healthcare

Tuition free college

Mandatory two years of PAID leave for new moms and dads

Powerful and influential unions

A high minimum wage

Damn man, gimme some of that conservatism!

Sweden National Debt Clock :: National Debt Clocks

 

[Mac1958]

In not talking about Sweden. In america we have no socialistic policies not socialism popular so why the op frankly moronic.

Perhaps you don't understand the OP.
.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

How many of those old white conservatives use social security? We already have socialist programs, and they do what they're supposed to. We have to stop using the word socialism. People are too dumb to get over the stigma that has been attached to it by the propaganda machine. It's a buzzword that automatically shuts down the conversation. They hear it and their brains turn off.

SS is the perfect analogy of why socialism sucks.

You and your employers pay in for your entire life to a government program that is purposely designed to pay you nothing in return. They dictate when you can receive benefits and do their best to make sure that age is pretty much when you are expected to die. If you do somehow outlive the rules? You get a token payout for a little while that’s nowhere near enough to live on.

That’s pretty much the core of socialism don’t you think?

So you are for the removal of social security?

I want an opt out at least. Give me back what I put in. If someone chooses to rely on the government for their retirement go right ahead. Just do it without my contributions.

 

[whitehall]

According to the book "in the Garden of the Beasts" by Eric Larson, the FDR administration ignored Hitler's rise to power except to pressure the Berlin based U.S. Ambassador to demand non existent "reparations" for WW1. In other words the socialist agenda of the FDR administration coincided with the socialist European model during the 30's.You can find ample evidence that FDR complained that he was hampered by the Constitution while Hitler had no such impediment to his rise in power. Germany became the "socialist people's democracy" while FDR had to contend with trying to stack the Supreme Court and circumvent the Constitution in order to create America's own version of socialism. Thank you Founding Fathers.

 

[Brain357]

Is Venezuela the only example of socialism? Can you think of any others?
.

Non Marxist-Leninist Socialist Countries

• Bangladesh (1971-)
• Guinea-Bissau (1973-)
• Guyana (1980-)
• India (1976-)
• North Korea (1992-)
• Nepal (2015-)
• Portugal (1976-)
• Sao Tome (1975-)
• Sri Lanka (1985-)
• Tanzania (1964-)
• Algeria (1963-1989)
• Burma (1962-1988)

Former Non Marxist-Leninist Socialist Countries

• Cape Verde (1975-1992)
• Egypt (1958-2007)
• Iraq (1968-2003)
• Libya (1969-2011)
• Madagascar (1975-1992)
• Sudan (1973-1985)
• Syria (1963-2012)

Former Marxist-Leninist Countries

• Afghanistan (1978-1992)
• Albania (1946-1992)
• Angola (1975-1992)
• Benin (1975-1990)
• Bulgaria (1946-1990)
• Cambodia (1975-1989)
• Congo (1975-1992)
• Czechoslovakia (1946-1990)
• Ethiopia (1974-1991)
• East Germany (1949-1990)
• Hungary) (1949-1989)
• North Korea 1948-1992 (in 1992, all references to Marxist-Leninism were scrubbed. Remains generic "socialist" state)
• Mongolia (1924-1990)
• Mozambique (1975-1990) (my mom who is Portuguese lived here during this time)
• Poland (1945-1989)
• Romania (1947-1989)
• Somalia (1969-1991)
• Soviet Union (1922-1991)
• North Vietnam (1945-1975) (then they won the war)
• South Yemen (1967-1990)
• Ukraine (1919-1991)
• Yugoslavia (1945-1992)

Current Marxist-Leninist countries include:

• China (soft-landing)
• Cuba (in progress)
• Laos (80% of population works in agriculture, one of the lowest annual incomes of any country in the world. 1/3 earn below $1.25 per day)
• Vietnam (I'm sure the government here is very much aware I just googled this to get that wikipedia page) (soft-landing)

Great!

I don't see Germany or Sweden on there. Are they socialist?
.

In the 1990s Swedes began to realize what socialism and statism were doing to the quality of life in their country. As a result, they elected Sweden’s first conservative government since the end of World War II. Knowing precisely what needed to be done to pull their nation back from the abyss of economic ruin, Sweden’s new conservative government quickly went to work cutting taxes on businesses and individuals. Things began to change for the better almost immediately. Consider the following improvements Sweden has enjoyed since beginning the long, hard road back from socialism and statism (data provided by the NCPA):

Between 1993 and 2010, Sweden’s GDP growth exceeded that of the rest of Europe by one full percentage point. Further, by 2010 public debt had dropped to 37 percent of GDP and taxes on businesses had been decreased to 22 percent (compare this with the 36 percent rate in the United States).

Sweden’s political leaders transformed the nation’s retirement pension system from a defined-benefit system into a defined contribution system, thereby saving it from inevitable insolvency.

The Swedish Fiscal Policy Council was established and empowered to independently monitor and evaluate government fiscal policy. The Council’s most current recommendation is that Sweden raise its retirement age to protect the long-term solvency of the nation’s retirement system.

Sweden Leads The Way In Dumping Socialism | BWCentral

LMFAO!

Ah, yes, conservative Sweden.

Universal healthcare

Tuition free college

Mandatory two years of PAID leave for new moms and dads

Powerful and influential unions

A high minimum wage

Damn man, gimme some of that conservatism!

Sweden National Debt Clock :: National Debt Clocks

Have you seen our debt with repubs in control?

 

[Confounding]

In not talking about Sweden. In america we have no socialistic policies not socialism popular so why the op frankly moronic.

Perhaps you don't understand the OP.
.

Perhaps he's too fucking stupid to even have a conversation with.

 

[initforme]

Paid leave for a new child leads to smarter productive kids and adults and surely you can even understand that. But maybe not.

 

[JBond]

How many of those old white conservatives use social security? We already have socialist programs, and they do what they're supposed to. We have to stop using the word socialism. People are too dumb to get over the stigma that has been attached to it by the propaganda machine. It's a buzzword that automatically shuts down the conversation. They hear it and their brains turn off.

SS is the perfect analogy of why socialism sucks.

You and your employers pay in for your entire life to a government program that is purposely designed to pay you nothing in return. They dictate when you can receive benefits and do their best to make sure that age is pretty much when you are expected to die. If you do somehow outlive the rules? You get a token payout for a little while that’s nowhere near enough to live on.

That’s pretty much the core of socialism don’t you think?

So you are for the removal of social security?

I want an opt out at least. Give me back what I put in. If someone chooses to rely on the government for their retirement go right ahead. Just do it without my contributions.

How Three Texas Counties Created Personal Social Security Accounts and Prospered

 

[initforme]

On confounding at 84 years of age I've forgotten more than you will ever dream of knowing. That the best you got?

 

[JBond]

Paid leave for a new child leads to smarter productive kids and adults and surely you can even understand that. But maybe not.

That depends on the adult in charge.

 

[Confounding]

On confounding at 84 years of age I've forgotten more than you will ever dream of knowing. That the best you got?

Props on living a long life. That doesn't change the fact that you're pretty useless in a political conversation.

 

[JBond]

Non Marxist-Leninist Socialist Countries

• Bangladesh (1971-)
• Guinea-Bissau (1973-)
• Guyana (1980-)
• India (1976-)
• North Korea (1992-)
• Nepal (2015-)
• Portugal (1976-)
• Sao Tome (1975-)
• Sri Lanka (1985-)
• Tanzania (1964-)
• Algeria (1963-1989)
• Burma (1962-1988)

Former Non Marxist-Leninist Socialist Countries

• Cape Verde (1975-1992)
• Egypt (1958-2007)
• Iraq (1968-2003)
• Libya (1969-2011)
• Madagascar (1975-1992)
• Sudan (1973-1985)
• Syria (1963-2012)

Former Marxist-Leninist Countries

• Afghanistan (1978-1992)
• Albania (1946-1992)
• Angola (1975-1992)
• Benin (1975-1990)
• Bulgaria (1946-1990)
• Cambodia (1975-1989)
• Congo (1975-1992)
• Czechoslovakia (1946-1990)
• Ethiopia (1974-1991)
• East Germany (1949-1990)
• Hungary) (1949-1989)
• North Korea 1948-1992 (in 1992, all references to Marxist-Leninism were scrubbed. Remains generic "socialist" state)
• Mongolia (1924-1990)
• Mozambique (1975-1990) (my mom who is Portuguese lived here during this time)
• Poland (1945-1989)
• Romania (1947-1989)
• Somalia (1969-1991)
• Soviet Union (1922-1991)
• North Vietnam (1945-1975) (then they won the war)
• South Yemen (1967-1990)
• Ukraine (1919-1991)
• Yugoslavia (1945-1992)

Current Marxist-Leninist countries include:

• China (soft-landing)
• Cuba (in progress)
• Laos (80% of population works in agriculture, one of the lowest annual incomes of any country in the world. 1/3 earn below $1.25 per day)
• Vietnam (I'm sure the government here is very much aware I just googled this to get that wikipedia page) (soft-landing)

Great!

I don't see Germany or Sweden on there. Are they socialist?
.

In the 1990s Swedes began to realize what socialism and statism were doing to the quality of life in their country. As a result, they elected Sweden’s first conservative government since the end of World War II. Knowing precisely what needed to be done to pull their nation back from the abyss of economic ruin, Sweden’s new conservative government quickly went to work cutting taxes on businesses and individuals. Things began to change for the better almost immediately. Consider the following improvements Sweden has enjoyed since beginning the long, hard road back from socialism and statism (data provided by the NCPA):

Between 1993 and 2010, Sweden’s GDP growth exceeded that of the rest of Europe by one full percentage point. Further, by 2010 public debt had dropped to 37 percent of GDP and taxes on businesses had been decreased to 22 percent (compare this with the 36 percent rate in the United States).

Sweden’s political leaders transformed the nation’s retirement pension system from a defined-benefit system into a defined contribution system, thereby saving it from inevitable insolvency.

The Swedish Fiscal Policy Council was established and empowered to independently monitor and evaluate government fiscal policy. The Council’s most current recommendation is that Sweden raise its retirement age to protect the long-term solvency of the nation’s retirement system.

Sweden Leads The Way In Dumping Socialism | BWCentral

LMFAO!

Ah, yes, conservative Sweden.

Universal healthcare

Tuition free college

Mandatory two years of PAID leave for new moms and dads

Powerful and influential unions

A high minimum wage

Damn man, gimme some of that conservatism!

Sweden National Debt Clock :: National Debt Clocks

Have you seen our debt with repubs in control?

Yes. The Dem-lite Repugs suck.

 

[Brain357]

Great!

I don't see Germany or Sweden on there. Are they socialist?
.

In the 1990s Swedes began to realize what socialism and statism were doing to the quality of life in their country. As a result, they elected Sweden’s first conservative government since the end of World War II. Knowing precisely what needed to be done to pull their nation back from the abyss of economic ruin, Sweden’s new conservative government quickly went to work cutting taxes on businesses and individuals. Things began to change for the better almost immediately. Consider the following improvements Sweden has enjoyed since beginning the long, hard road back from socialism and statism (data provided by the NCPA):

Between 1993 and 2010, Sweden’s GDP growth exceeded that of the rest of Europe by one full percentage point. Further, by 2010 public debt had dropped to 37 percent of GDP and taxes on businesses had been decreased to 22 percent (compare this with the 36 percent rate in the United States).

Sweden’s political leaders transformed the nation’s retirement pension system from a defined-benefit system into a defined contribution system, thereby saving it from inevitable insolvency.

The Swedish Fiscal Policy Council was established and empowered to independently monitor and evaluate government fiscal policy. The Council’s most current recommendation is that Sweden raise its retirement age to protect the long-term solvency of the nation’s retirement system.

Sweden Leads The Way In Dumping Socialism | BWCentral

LMFAO!

Ah, yes, conservative Sweden.

Universal healthcare

Tuition free college

Mandatory two years of PAID leave for new moms and dads

Powerful and influential unions

A high minimum wage

Damn man, gimme some of that conservatism!

Sweden National Debt Clock :: National Debt Clocks

Have you seen our debt with repubs in control?

Yes. The Dem-lite Repugs suck.

Which must include trump.

 

[Mac1958]

In the 1990s Swedes began to realize what socialism and statism were doing to the quality of life in their country. As a result, they elected Sweden’s first conservative government since the end of World War II. Knowing precisely what needed to be done to pull their nation back from the abyss of economic ruin, Sweden’s new conservative government quickly went to work cutting taxes on businesses and individuals. Things began to change for the better almost immediately. Consider the following improvements Sweden has enjoyed since beginning the long, hard road back from socialism and statism (data provided by the NCPA):

Between 1993 and 2010, Sweden’s GDP growth exceeded that of the rest of Europe by one full percentage point. Further, by 2010 public debt had dropped to 37 percent of GDP and taxes on businesses had been decreased to 22 percent (compare this with the 36 percent rate in the United States).

Sweden’s political leaders transformed the nation’s retirement pension system from a defined-benefit system into a defined contribution system, thereby saving it from inevitable insolvency.

The Swedish Fiscal Policy Council was established and empowered to independently monitor and evaluate government fiscal policy. The Council’s most current recommendation is that Sweden raise its retirement age to protect the long-term solvency of the nation’s retirement system.

Sweden Leads The Way In Dumping Socialism | BWCentral

LMFAO!

Ah, yes, conservative Sweden.

Universal healthcare

Tuition free college

Mandatory two years of PAID leave for new moms and dads

Powerful and influential unions

A high minimum wage

Damn man, gimme some of that conservatism!

Sweden National Debt Clock :: National Debt Clocks

Have you seen our debt with repubs in control?

Yes. The Dem-lite Repugs suck.

Which must include trump.

Well, he's leading the charge to explode the deficit.
.

 

[initforme]

Socialism communism whatever have no influence on this nation...get a clue. We are a capitalist nation. The corporate elite have never had to do less work for more pay. Ever.

 

[Confounding]

Great!

I don't see Germany or Sweden on there. Are they socialist?
.

In the 1990s Swedes began to realize what socialism and statism were doing to the quality of life in their country. As a result, they elected Sweden’s first conservative government since the end of World War II. Knowing precisely what needed to be done to pull their nation back from the abyss of economic ruin, Sweden’s new conservative government quickly went to work cutting taxes on businesses and individuals. Things began to change for the better almost immediately. Consider the following improvements Sweden has enjoyed since beginning the long, hard road back from socialism and statism (data provided by the NCPA):

Between 1993 and 2010, Sweden’s GDP growth exceeded that of the rest of Europe by one full percentage point. Further, by 2010 public debt had dropped to 37 percent of GDP and taxes on businesses had been decreased to 22 percent (compare this with the 36 percent rate in the United States).

Sweden’s political leaders transformed the nation’s retirement pension system from a defined-benefit system into a defined contribution system, thereby saving it from inevitable insolvency.

The Swedish Fiscal Policy Council was established and empowered to independently monitor and evaluate government fiscal policy. The Council’s most current recommendation is that Sweden raise its retirement age to protect the long-term solvency of the nation’s retirement system.

Sweden Leads The Way In Dumping Socialism | BWCentral

LMFAO!

Ah, yes, conservative Sweden.

Universal healthcare

Tuition free college

Mandatory two years of PAID leave for new moms and dads

Powerful and influential unions

A high minimum wage

Damn man, gimme some of that conservatism!

Sweden National Debt Clock :: National Debt Clocks

Have you seen our debt with repubs in control?

Yes. The Dem-lite Repugs suck.

When have the Republicans ever meaningfully reduced spending or the size of government? Their main talking point is a lie.

 

[JBond]

In the 1990s Swedes began to realize what socialism and statism were doing to the quality of life in their country. As a result, they elected Sweden’s first conservative government since the end of World War II. Knowing precisely what needed to be done to pull their nation back from the abyss of economic ruin, Sweden’s new conservative government quickly went to work cutting taxes on businesses and individuals. Things began to change for the better almost immediately. Consider the following improvements Sweden has enjoyed since beginning the long, hard road back from socialism and statism (data provided by the NCPA):

Between 1993 and 2010, Sweden’s GDP growth exceeded that of the rest of Europe by one full percentage point. Further, by 2010 public debt had dropped to 37 percent of GDP and taxes on businesses had been decreased to 22 percent (compare this with the 36 percent rate in the United States).

Sweden’s political leaders transformed the nation’s retirement pension system from a defined-benefit system into a defined contribution system, thereby saving it from inevitable insolvency.

The Swedish Fiscal Policy Council was established and empowered to independently monitor and evaluate government fiscal policy. The Council’s most current recommendation is that Sweden raise its retirement age to protect the long-term solvency of the nation’s retirement system.

Sweden Leads The Way In Dumping Socialism | BWCentral

LMFAO!

Ah, yes, conservative Sweden.

Universal healthcare

Tuition free college

Mandatory two years of PAID leave for new moms and dads

Powerful and influential unions

A high minimum wage

Damn man, gimme some of that conservatism!

Sweden National Debt Clock :: National Debt Clocks

Have you seen our debt with repubs in control?

Yes. The Dem-lite Repugs suck.

Which must include trump.

I was repeatedly told Trump was a Democrat, but the reality is he is neither a Dim or Repug. He is a Pragmatist. He sets goals and finds ways to accomplish them.

 

[Brain357]

LMFAO!

Ah, yes, conservative Sweden.

Universal healthcare

Tuition free college

Mandatory two years of PAID leave for new moms and dads

Powerful and influential unions

A high minimum wage

Damn man, gimme some of that conservatism!

Sweden National Debt Clock :: National Debt Clocks

Have you seen our debt with repubs in control?

Yes. The Dem-lite Repugs suck.

Which must include trump.

I was repeatedly told Trump was a Democrat, but the reality is he is neither a Dim or Repug. He is a Pragmatist. He sets goals and finds ways to accomplish them.

Well he's doing a great job increasing the debt.

 

[initforme]

Agreed on that. They'd sell their souls to get that almighty dollar yet call themselves christians. The debt means zero to t hem.

 

[Mac1958]

The GOP could make one (1) simple change to be taken seriously on fiscal matters:

Cut spending before you cut taxes. Go ahead and campaign on cutting Medicare and Social Security and Medicaid and Welfare and this department and that department, all while leaving the military alone. Let's see how well you do. I'm sure you'll do great.

Then, make those cuts for all to see. Then you can cut those taxes.

One little change. That's it.
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