How should the US respond to China's upgrade of their navy's size and capabilities? (Poll)

[Silver Cat]

Explain how that would help a conventional war with China.

Chris Christie said that too. He said he would nuke China if they invaded Taiwan.

WTF? China has nukes like we do. Not a good outcome.

Nuke their nukes, and they won't nuke us.

 

[kyzr]

you can't admit Trump lost the election and is lying about fraud, therefor you have no credibility at all, and your lies mean nothing
The evidence is too overwhelming, Trump placated Putin and eased sanctions whenever possible. Anything you try to say contrary are more of your lies, as you are a proven liar with no credibility You see how your election fraud lies exposes you...

You keep typing shit without proving anything. Democrat lies don't mean anything.
My post #46 is all you need to understand.

 

[kyzr]

Nuke their nukes, and they won't nuke us.

If you say so. I'm not sure how many they have in submarines and/or space. That would be a very big risk.

 

[Tunafish]

At the last GOP debate there were questions regarding the sizes of China's navy vs the American navy.

They did NOT mention the new "Axis of Evil's" combined navies size, such as China + Russia. Should we hear alarm bells?

Most of the candidates promised to expand the US navy, without mentioning how they would pay for it.

This thread is examining the question, does the US need a bigger navy, or to tell our "allies" they need to upgrade their navies?

In a sea war around Taiwan China would have a home field advantage, concentrating their navy while the US navy is spread around the entire planet.

From the chart below it can be seen that the US has a large advantage in aircraft carriers and submarines.

But China is actively building a bigger and more capable navy, with the help of US businesses in China...

View attachment 856244

Chinaâs navy has more ships than the US. Does that matter?

“Who wins when part of one force goes up against all of a hostile force? That’s the question we may see put to the test. The answer is far from obvious.”

www.navytimes.com

I would ask US allies to upgrade and expand their navies, especially Japan, South Korea, and Australia. The US should not have to overspend just to play the world's cop. I would also tax and/or tariff US goods made in China since they are funding China's military expansion.

Didn't Trump Tax and Tariff goods?

 

[Tunafish]

you can't admit Trump lost the election and is lying about fraud, therefor you have no credibility at all, and your lies mean nothing

The evidence is too overwhelming, Trump placated Putin and eased sanctions whenever possible. Anything you try to say contrary are more of your lies, as you are a proven liar with no credibility

You see how your election fraud lies exposes you...

stay on topic

 

[The Banker]

You keep typing shit without proving anything. Democrat lies don't mean anything.
My post #46 is all you need to understand.

yea keep thinking that
Back int he fact based world we have a trump that has gone out of his way to praise and placate Putin by every means possible, you then try to exaggerate and overplay anytime he didn't.

Putin was very happy to have Trump do his bidding for him.

 

[NoVote]

"We have rare earth minerals, but tons of US regulations prohibits their economic extraction."

Personally, I think some smart cookies in our government decided long ago to buy rare metals with worthless greenbacks and use up all 'their' metals, then in the future we would still have ours to use.

 

[luiza]

How should the US respond to China's upgrade of their navy's size and capabilities?

Surrender .
It would save the greater embarrassment of Russia obliterating the whole navy in under a day with their hyper sonic missiles which the US is literally unable to defend against.

 

[kyzr]

How should the US respond to China's upgrade of their navy's size and capabilities?

Surrender .
It would save the greater embarrassment of Russia obliterating the whole navy in under a day with their hyper sonic missiles which the US is literally unable to defend against.

Wrong. We have them covered like a blanket...

US Confirms Patriot in Ukraine Shot Down Russian Hypersonic Missile

The US has confirmed that the Ukrainian military shot down a Russian hypersonic Kinzhal missile using the Patriot air defense system.

www.thedefensepost.com

 

[Silver Cat]

If you say so. I'm not sure how many they have in submarines and/or space. That would be a very big risk.

Yes, it is. But, may be, allowing them to increase their nuclear arsenal without any limits and arms control (and then - attack us or our allies) would be a much higher risk.

 

[lennypartiv]

Oh....one more thing to consider.

China is broke....as in bankrupt. It has no money. China can't afford to build new boats.

And Russia can't even beat Ukraine.

 

[lennypartiv]

China doesn't need aircraft carriers to take Taiwan. Its a home game for them.

But they need a type of boat they don't have.

 

[JohnDB]

But they need a type of boat they don't have.

The two things that China wants from Taiwan is the computer chip manufacturing and the banks...

That's not going to work out for China if they take it by force. Because both require peaceful surrender and knowledgeable people....which isn't happening either.
Taiwan has a "Scorched Earth Policy" which means that the microchip mfg and banks will both be either destroyed or emptied by the time they get there. Depriving China of both of them. And since it's war...the high skilled people will be dead and China will have shot them.

There is no scenario that has PRC winning here....especially since the outcry of the entire planet's wealthiest men are going to complain. There's only the ability to draw the ire of the whole world...

Sure they can build more naval vessels...but they would find that Russian oil fields are a much better target than Taiwan ever was. And some people would applaud the conquest.

 

[Silver Cat]

The two things that China wants from Taiwan is the computer chip manufacturing and the banks...

That's not going to work out for China if they take it by force. Because both require peaceful surrender and knowledgeable people....which isn't happening either.
Taiwan has a "Scorched Earth Policy" which means that the microchip mfg and banks will both be either destroyed or emptied by the time they get there. Depriving China of both of them. And since it's war...the high skilled people will be dead and China will have shot them.

There is no scenario that has PRC winning here....especially since the outcry of the entire planet's wealthiest men are going to complain. There's only the ability to draw the ire of the whole world...

Sure they can build more naval vessels...but they would find that Russian oil fields are a much better target than Taiwan ever was. And some people would applaud the conquest.

You see, there is a problem with the "scorched land" strategy. The ordinary people (as well as businessmen and decision makers) don't like idea to be scorched for some abstract ideas. They see example of Ukraine, and they see example of Hongkong. And now, many of them don't ask "Should we ask Americans to defend us?", because answer is already clear. They ask themselves "What can be done to not allow Americans defend us?".

 

[JohnDB]

You see, there is a problem with the "scorched land" strategy. The ordinary people (as well as businessmen and decision makers) don't like idea to be scorched for some abstract ideas. They see example of Ukraine, and they see example of Hongkong. And now, many of them don't ask "Should we ask Americans to defend us?", because answer is already clear. They ask themselves "What can be done to not allow Americans defend us?".

If mainland China seizes their assets they certainly will never have them again anyway. And it's NOT America that has that policy...it's Taiwan...and it makes sense to have such a policy. It would be a long protracted war...

Hong Kong has never been American and neither has Taiwan. Hong Kong WAS British land rented by Britain. The lease expired and they returned it. The residents didn't care until after mainland took possession...now they actually care. They wished they weren't governed by CCP.

 

[Silver Cat]

If mainland China seizes their assets they certainly will never have them again anyway.

There is no ethnic difference between Chinamen in mainlands and Chinamen in Taiwan.

And it's NOT America that has that policy...it's Taiwan...and it makes sense to have such a policy. It would be a long protracted war...

The question is what can and what should we do about China (both PRC and RoC). What are our goals? Can we actually defend them (with any practical positive outcome for them) or we can merely assist in their suicide, making it slow and painful?

Hong Kong has never been American and neither has Taiwan. Hong Kong WAS British land rented by Britain. The lease expired and they returned it. The residents didn't care until after mainland took possession...now they actually care. They wished they weren't governed by CCP.

Some of them prefer to be governed by British Crown, some of them prefer to be governed by Beijing communists, but very few of them prefer to die for the Crown and scorch their land for the jesture.

 

[JohnDB]

There is no ethnic difference between Chinamen in mainlands and Chinamen in Taiwan.


The question is what can and what should we do about China (both PRC and RoC). What are our goals? Can we actually defend them (with any practical positive outcome for them) or we can merely assist in their suicide, making it slow and painful?



Some of them prefer to be governed by British Crown, some of them prefer to be governed by Beijing communists, but very few of them prefer to die for the Crown and scorch their land for the jesture.

Ummmm
You really have no clue as to the whole conflict and what the ideologies are about.
Taiwan was a prison island for exiles that ended up doing so well they can literally buy the mainland Communists.
Today, the mainland is broke but Taiwan is flush with cash. Hong Kong WAS flush with cash too until a few years ago the Government federalized the banks and basically emptied them. Those stocks tanked and were delisted...everyone lost money because basically the Chinese government took it. They not only want Taiwanese banks but also the microchip manufacturing industry so they can control the world's supply of microprocessors.
A chip microprocessor manufacturing machine requires 2 years to build. (Only 2 companies make them) Then the staff to operate it again takes years to train and educate.
Mainland China is not allowed to have the manufacturing machines. (Embargo)

Taiwanese would rather destroy the machines and empty the banks than let mainland Chinese have them. They also are not Buddhists but Christian...and free market capitalists. They believe like Americans "live free or die". Hong Kong never got that idealism.

 

[Silver Cat]

Ummmm
You really have no clue as to the whole conflict and what the ideologies are about.
Taiwan was a prison island for exiles that ended up doing so well they can literally buy the mainland Communists.
Today, the mainland is broke but Taiwan is flush with cash. Hong Kong WAS flush with cash too until a few years ago the Government federalized the banks and basically emptied them. Those stocks tanked and were delisted...everyone lost money because basically the Chinese government took it. They not only want Taiwanese banks but also the microchip manufacturing industry so they can control the world's supply of microprocessors.
A chip microprocessor manufacturing machine requires 2 years to build. (Only 2 companies make them) Then the staff to operate it again takes years to train and educate.
Mainland China is not allowed to have the manufacturing machines. (Embargo)

Taiwanese would rather destroy the machines and empty the banks than let mainland Chinese have them. They also are not Buddhists but Christian...and free market capitalists. They believe like Americans "live free or die". Hong Kong never got that idealism.

Bla-bla-bla. But actual Taiwanese people much more often vote for Kuomintang nowadays than for DPP. Let's wait for January elections and see, what they prefer - to be another Hongkong or another Ukraine.

 

[Silver Cat]

Implications of Taiwan’s 2022 “Nine-in-One” Local Elections for 2024 | Global Taiwan Institute

While the 2022 local election cycle represented a substantial victory for the KMT, it is unclear the degree to which the win will influence the 2024 presidential and legislative elections. Nevertheless, the KMT has regained crucial political momentum.

globaltaiwan.org

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Taiwan held its closely watched “9-in-1” elections (九合一選舉) over the weekend on November 26. [1] With most of the races accounted for, the Kuomintang (KMT, 中國國民黨) won 13 of the top political posts of local governments across 22 cities, counties, and special municipalities, while the ruling Democratic Progressive Party (DPP, 民主進步黨) won only five. Of the remaining contested localities, one was held by the Taiwan People’s Party (TPP, 台灣民眾黨), and the other two went to independent, non-affiliated politicians. [2] With this electoral victory, the KMT continued its winning streak at the local level since 2018, and made progress toward reconstituting the electoral ground it lost in 2014.
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[Sayaras]

At the last GOP debate there were questions regarding the sizes of China's navy vs the American navy.

They did NOT mention the new "Axis of Evil's" combined navies size, such as China + Russia. Should we hear alarm bells?

Most of the candidates promised to expand the US navy, without mentioning how they would pay for it.

This thread is examining the question, does the US need a bigger navy, or to tell our "allies" they need to upgrade their navies?

In a sea war around Taiwan China would have a home field advantage, concentrating their navy while the US navy is spread around the entire planet.

From the chart below it can be seen that the US has a large advantage in aircraft carriers and submarines.

But China is actively building a bigger and more capable navy, with the help of US businesses in China...

View attachment 856244

Chinaâs navy has more ships than the US. Does that matter?

“Who wins when part of one force goes up against all of a hostile force? That’s the question we may see put to the test. The answer is far from obvious.”

www.navytimes.com

I would ask US allies to upgrade and expand their navies, especially Japan, South Korea, and Australia. The US should not have to overspend just to play the world's cop. I would also tax and/or tariff US goods made in China since they are funding China's military expansion.

Just saw the gap China VS US. I didn't know that.