POLL: The GOP and "Socialism"

[Mac1958]

Our conservative posters continue to start thread after thread pertaining to "socialism". And even though their exact definitions are fairly unclear, it's obvious they think that screaming SOCIALISM is, by itself, enough to win a debate.

As most of us can see, more and more people are becoming perfectly comfortable with the word - in part, no doubt, because the Right has completely over-used and diluted it.

How long before the Right realizes the term "socialism" no longer scares people?
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[Confounding]

How many of those old white conservatives use social security? We already have socialist programs, and they do what they're supposed to. We have to stop using the word socialism. People are too dumb to get over the stigma that has been attached to it by the propaganda machine. It's a buzzword that automatically shuts down the conversation. They hear it and their brains turn off.

 

[whitehall]

It makes it so much easier to distinguish between the two major political parties when the crazy democrat left finally quits the smoke and mirrors and comes out of the socialist political closet. Live with it and embrace it while you can lefties because the democrat party ain't likely to be around much longer at this rate.

 

[Confounding]

It makes it so much easier to distinguish between the two major political parties when the crazy democrat left finally quits the smoke and mirrors and comes out of the socialist political closet. Live with it and embrace it while you can lefties because the democrat party ain't likely to be around much longer at this rate.

If you think the Democrats are socialist you're fucking nuts. The Democrats would be right wing in most European countries.

 

[whitehall]

It makes it so much easier to distinguish between the two major political parties when the crazy democrat left finally quits the smoke and mirrors and comes out of the socialist political closet. Live with it and embrace it while you can lefties because the democrat party ain't likely to be around much longer at this rate.

If you think the Democrats are socialist you're fucking nuts. The Democrats would be right wing in most European countries.

Don't tell me, tell it to hyphen Cortez and Bernie Sanders and the angry crazy democrat leadership who are starting to make the European liberals look sane.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Our conservative posters continue to start thread after thread pertaining to "socialism". And even though their exact definitions are fairly unclear, it's obvious they think that screaming SOCIALISM is, by itself, enough to win a debate.

As most of us can see, more and more people are becoming perfectly comfortable with the word - in part, no doubt, because the Right has completely over-used and diluted it.

How long before the Right realizes the term "socialism" no longer scares people?
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But it still does.

Look at the UK. Corbyn is essentially unelectable because he says he's a socialist and the British people, in general, don't want that.

 

[percysunshine]

Poll Pot...when it is never too late to say you are sorry...

 

[Confounding]

It makes it so much easier to distinguish between the two major political parties when the crazy democrat left finally quits the smoke and mirrors and comes out of the socialist political closet. Live with it and embrace it while you can lefties because the democrat party ain't likely to be around much longer at this rate.

If you think the Democrats are socialist you're fucking nuts. The Democrats would be right wing in most European countries.

Don't tell me, tell it to hyphen Cortez and Bernie Sanders and the angry crazy democrat leadership who are starting to make the European liberals look sane.

The Democrats and Republicans are both bought off by the elite. You have no representation in government, sorry.

 

[depotoo]

Social security is not socialism. It is our own money we are forced to pay in, rather than invest and make more for ourselves.

How many of those old white conservatives use social security? We already have socialist programs, and they do what they're supposed to. We have to stop using the word socialism. People are too dumb to get over the stigma that has been attached to it by the propaganda machine. It's a buzzword that automatically shuts down the conversation. They hear it and their brains turn off.

 

[Confounding]

Social security is not socialism. It is our own money we are forced to pay in, rather than invest and make more for ourselves.

How many of those old white conservatives use social security? We already have socialist programs, and they do what they're supposed to. We have to stop using the word socialism. People are too dumb to get over the stigma that has been attached to it by the propaganda machine. It's a buzzword that automatically shuts down the conversation. They hear it and their brains turn off.

It's a socialist program. Socialist programs are the only thing the left is trying to see implemented.

 

[BlackSand]

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[JoeB131]

Our conservative posters continue to start thread after thread pertaining to "socialism". And even though their exact definitions are fairly unclear, it's obvious they think that screaming SOCIALISM is, by itself, enough to win a debate.

As most of us can see, more and more people are becoming perfectly comfortable with the word - in part, no doubt, because the Right has completely over-used and diluted it.

How long before the Right realizes the term "socialism" no longer scares people?

Another Stormy Mac Premise that is false, that he'll argue the snot out of .

If people are becoming more comfortable with socialism, it's because they aren't old enough to remember what it looked like in practice, and because Capitalism has become such a shit sandwich.

Here's the thing.. not everything is about spin. People on the right who complain about socialism really are worried about socialism and the limits on behavior it would have to impose. Just like folks on the left have valid concerns about racism, as much as you like to pretend they don't.

My worry is that the Bernie Bros will dominate the Dems, and then WHEN (not if) Trump fails, they'll be in a position to impose some of their bad ideas along with the good ones.

 

[JoeB131]

Poll Pot...when it is never too late to say you are sorry...

You leave out the part where the US and North Vietnam destabilized Cambodia/Kampuchea/the Khmer Republic to the point where Pol Pot could take over to start with. Funny how you guys leave that part out.

 

[Confounding]

Poll Pot...when it is never too late to say you are sorry...

You leave out the part where the US and North Vietnam destabilized Cambodia/Kampuchea/the Khmer Republic to the point where Pol Pot could take over to start with. Funny how you guys leave that part out.

Isn't it funny how we always seem to be involved?

 

[night_son]

Our conservative posters continue to start thread after thread pertaining to "socialism". And even though their exact definitions are fairly unclear, it's obvious they think that screaming SOCIALISM is, by itself, enough to win a debate.

As most of us can see, more and more people are becoming perfectly comfortable with the word - in part, no doubt, because the Right has completely over-used and diluted it.

How long before the Right realizes the term "socialism" no longer scares people?
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"Not in this lifetime, pal."

If there is a more unifying rallying call for conservatives against the American Left, politically speaking not culturally, I challenge you to find it. Once again, so-called elite American liberal intellectualism gets the American Left into water so hot it boils, socially and academically. I will never understand the postmodernist American Left's failed philosophical political strategy of attempting to "think away" the bad or downright evil from a downright evil social proposition. You cannot rewrite history, just as you cannot lie to and successfully fool tens of millions of Americans with on demand access to online historical information.

Those intellectual Leftists who lie to the American people about what socialism really is might can get away with announcing publicly American popular support for it, but you all wannabe Marxist piggy banks will break most shatteringly at the polls. Thing is, you keep trying, historically, to wrap the same gift of utter shit in a different, more attractive holiday paper replete with a more attractive ribbon. Shame.

Mister Mystery Guest Marxist,

If you want to find something every last patriotic American will pick up the sword to put back in its historical place, join the neo-push for American socialism. The sound of the movement pop-splattering under mechanized treads will be heard nationwide. Proceed. Please.

 

[depotoo]

I agree completely, but ss is socialist only to those that didn’t pay into it. We that worked, paid for it, and our payments are based on what we were forced to pay into it.

Social security is not socialism. It is our own money we are forced to pay in, rather than invest and make more for ourselves.

How many of those old white conservatives use social security? We already have socialist programs, and they do what they're supposed to. We have to stop using the word socialism. People are too dumb to get over the stigma that has been attached to it by the propaganda machine. It's a buzzword that automatically shuts down the conversation. They hear it and their brains turn off.

It's a socialist program. Socialist programs are the only thing the left is trying to see implemented.

 

[Mac1958]

Our conservative posters continue to start thread after thread pertaining to "socialism". And even though their exact definitions are fairly unclear, it's obvious they think that screaming SOCIALISM is, by itself, enough to win a debate.

As most of us can see, more and more people are becoming perfectly comfortable with the word - in part, no doubt, because the Right has completely over-used and diluted it.

How long before the Right realizes the term "socialism" no longer scares people?
.

"Not in this lifetime, pal."

If there is a more unifying rallying call for conservatives against the American Left, politically speaking not culturally, I challenge you to find it. Once again, so-called elite American liberal intellectualism gets the American Left into water so hot it boils, socially and academically. I will never understand the postmodernist American Left's failed philosophical political strategy of attempting to "think away" the bad or downright evil from a downright evil social proposition. You cannot rewrite history, just as you cannot lie to and successfully fool tens of millions of Americans with on demand access to online historical information.

Those intellectual Leftists who lie to the American people about what socialism really is might can get away with announcing publicly American popular support for it, but you all wannabe Marxist piggy banks will break most shatteringly at the polls. Thing is, you keep trying, historically, to wrap the same gift of utter shit in a different, more attractive wrapping replete with a more attractive ribbon. Shame.

Mister Mystery Guest Marxist,

If you want to find something every last patriotic American will pick up the sword to put back in its historical place, join the neo-push for American socialism. The sound of the movement pop-splattering under mechanized treads will be heard nationwide. Proceed. Please.

Would you say the constant use of the term is mostly to fire up the base?

I admit - I don't really understand partisan politics and this is one point that I often miss. If the point is to fire up the base without caring much about what the rest think, I suppose I can see that. That's pretty much what Trump's presidency is about, anyway.
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[Confounding]

I agree completely, but ss is socialist only to those that didn’t pay into it. We that worked, paid for it, and our payments are based on what we were forced to pay into it.

Social security is not socialism. It is our own money we are forced to pay in, rather than invest and make more for ourselves.

How many of those old white conservatives use social security? We already have socialist programs, and they do what they're supposed to. We have to stop using the word socialism. People are too dumb to get over the stigma that has been attached to it by the propaganda machine. It's a buzzword that automatically shuts down the conversation. They hear it and their brains turn off.

It's a socialist program. Socialist programs are the only thing the left is trying to see implemented.

Right, well, either way it's a successful and popular socialist program. Same goes for medicaid/medicare. There are ideas and elements of socialism that can happily coexist with our capitalism and make things better for everybody.

 

[percysunshine]

Poll Pot...when it is never too late to say you are sorry...

You leave out the part where the US and North Vietnam destabilized Cambodia/Kampuchea/the Khmer Republic to the point where Pol Pot could take over to start with. Funny how you guys leave that part out.

Pol Pot was an engineering student in Paris when he was taught Marxist philosophy. The French did this stuff.

 

[Mac1958]

There are ideas and elements of socialism that can happily coexist with our capitalism and make things better for everybody.

Yep. I would think that a reasonable person would understand that this all lies along a continuum, that you're not either "socialist" or "not socialist". But it sure does seem like there are a lot of people who can't seem to grasp that.
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