POLL: The GOP and "Socialism"

[DOTR]

 

[Tehon]

Do you find that material gains are spiritual?

Are you asking me? If so, no, I do not find material possessions spiritual, but I do find them essential for life. It is hard to be spiritually fulfilled though when you are starving, homeless, without a means of transportation, etc.

It has been suggested that materialism is the only motivator of people. That's sad, but I think not a completely untrue characterization of American beliefs. This coming from American conservatives no less.

 

[BlackSand]

Only if you can find 1 example of a Democrat that claimed Venezuela is an example to aspire to. Otherwise you are using a straw man argument. When Bernie or Ocassio-Cortez speak they call themselves social Democrats and they aspire to the systems that are applied in other Social Democracies. Citing the disaster of Venezuela as an example of the failure of a system the Democrats aspire to is a straw man. And now if you are honest this reply to the thread should be over.

It's often okay to throw out the lowest and highest score when you just desire to arrive at the average ...

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[forkup]

You can't just use the terms like they are interchangeable.

Have you ever met a Republican? Good luck.

Maybe so, but if talking in the full expectancy that people won't listen scared me, I wouldn't spend my Saturday night on a forum like this lol.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

How many of those old white conservatives use social security? We already have socialist programs, and they do what they're supposed to. We have to stop using the word socialism. People are too dumb to get over the stigma that has been attached to it by the propaganda machine. It's a buzzword that automatically shuts down the conversation. They hear it and their brains turn off.

SS is the perfect analogy of why socialism sucks.

You and your employers pay in for your entire life to a government program that is purposely designed to pay you nothing in return. They dictate when you can receive benefits and do their best to make sure that age is pretty much when you are expected to die. If you do somehow outlive the rules? You get a token payout for a little while that’s nowhere near enough to live on.

That’s pretty much the core of socialism don’t you think?

 

[MindWars]

SOCIALIST

 

[Confounding]

How many of those old white conservatives use social security? We already have socialist programs, and they do what they're supposed to. We have to stop using the word socialism. People are too dumb to get over the stigma that has been attached to it by the propaganda machine. It's a buzzword that automatically shuts down the conversation. They hear it and their brains turn off.

SS is the perfect analogy of why socialism sucks.

You and your employers pay in for your entire life to a government program that is purposely designed to pay you nothing in return. They dictate when you can receive benefits and do their best to make sure that age is pretty much when you are expected to die. If you do somehow outlive the rules? You get a token payout for a little while that’s nowhere near enough to live on.

That’s pretty much the core of socialism don’t you think?

So you are for the removal of social security?

 

[initforme]

There is no hunt of socialism in america.....It's a farce. Man how blatantly dumb are you?

 

[Brain357]

It makes it so much easier to distinguish between the two major political parties when the crazy democrat left finally quits the smoke and mirrors and comes out of the socialist political closet. Live with it and embrace it while you can lefties because the democrat party ain't likely to be around much longer at this rate.

Republicans are doing deals like Foxconn. The government giving tax dollars to a huge foreign company to get them to move to a place of the governments choosing. Yeah, sounds like repubs like socialism.

 

[Mac1958]

Venezuela crisis: How did we get here?
Thread over...

Is Venezuela the only example of socialism? Can you think of any others?
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Non Marxist-Leninist Socialist Countries

• Bangladesh (1971-)
• Guinea-Bissau (1973-)
• Guyana (1980-)
• India (1976-)
• North Korea (1992-)
• Nepal (2015-)
• Portugal (1976-)
• Sao Tome (1975-)
• Sri Lanka (1985-)
• Tanzania (1964-)
• Algeria (1963-1989)
• Burma (1962-1988)

Former Non Marxist-Leninist Socialist Countries

• Cape Verde (1975-1992)
• Egypt (1958-2007)
• Iraq (1968-2003)
• Libya (1969-2011)
• Madagascar (1975-1992)
• Sudan (1973-1985)
• Syria (1963-2012)

Former Marxist-Leninist Countries

• Afghanistan (1978-1992)
• Albania (1946-1992)
• Angola (1975-1992)
• Benin (1975-1990)
• Bulgaria (1946-1990)
• Cambodia (1975-1989)
• Congo (1975-1992)
• Czechoslovakia (1946-1990)
• Ethiopia (1974-1991)
• East Germany (1949-1990)
• Hungary) (1949-1989)
• North Korea 1948-1992 (in 1992, all references to Marxist-Leninism were scrubbed. Remains generic "socialist" state)
• Mongolia (1924-1990)
• Mozambique (1975-1990) (my mom who is Portuguese lived here during this time)
• Poland (1945-1989)
• Romania (1947-1989)
• Somalia (1969-1991)
• Soviet Union (1922-1991)
• North Vietnam (1945-1975) (then they won the war)
• South Yemen (1967-1990)
• Ukraine (1919-1991)
• Yugoslavia (1945-1992)

Current Marxist-Leninist countries include:

• China (soft-landing)
• Cuba (in progress)
• Laos (80% of population works in agriculture, one of the lowest annual incomes of any country in the world. 1/3 earn below $1.25 per day)
• Vietnam (I'm sure the government here is very much aware I just googled this to get that wikipedia page) (soft-landing)

Great!

I don't see Germany or Sweden on there. Are they socialist?
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[initforme]

Oh no the left this and oh no the right this...lame all of you are.

 

[Mac1958]

There is no hunt of socialism in america.....It's a farce. Man how blatantly dumb are you?

Hey, I'm just trying to keep up with all you smart guys.

Do you consider Germany to be socialist? Sweden?
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[Confounding]

It has been suggested that materialism is the only motivator of people. That's sad, but I think not a completely untrue characterization of American beliefs. This coming from American conservatives no less.

It's hard to imagine why so many Americans are unhappy.

 

[Confounding]

Oh no the left this and oh no the right this...lame all of you are.

I think you might be on the wrong forum homie.

 

[JBond]

Venezuela crisis: How did we get here?
Thread over...

Is Venezuela the only example of socialism? Can you think of any others?
.

Non Marxist-Leninist Socialist Countries

• Bangladesh (1971-)
• Guinea-Bissau (1973-)
• Guyana (1980-)
• India (1976-)
• North Korea (1992-)
• Nepal (2015-)
• Portugal (1976-)
• Sao Tome (1975-)
• Sri Lanka (1985-)
• Tanzania (1964-)
• Algeria (1963-1989)
• Burma (1962-1988)

Former Non Marxist-Leninist Socialist Countries

• Cape Verde (1975-1992)
• Egypt (1958-2007)
• Iraq (1968-2003)
• Libya (1969-2011)
• Madagascar (1975-1992)
• Sudan (1973-1985)
• Syria (1963-2012)

Former Marxist-Leninist Countries

• Afghanistan (1978-1992)
• Albania (1946-1992)
• Angola (1975-1992)
• Benin (1975-1990)
• Bulgaria (1946-1990)
• Cambodia (1975-1989)
• Congo (1975-1992)
• Czechoslovakia (1946-1990)
• Ethiopia (1974-1991)
• East Germany (1949-1990)
• Hungary) (1949-1989)
• North Korea 1948-1992 (in 1992, all references to Marxist-Leninism were scrubbed. Remains generic "socialist" state)
• Mongolia (1924-1990)
• Mozambique (1975-1990) (my mom who is Portuguese lived here during this time)
• Poland (1945-1989)
• Romania (1947-1989)
• Somalia (1969-1991)
• Soviet Union (1922-1991)
• North Vietnam (1945-1975) (then they won the war)
• South Yemen (1967-1990)
• Ukraine (1919-1991)
• Yugoslavia (1945-1992)

Current Marxist-Leninist countries include:

• China (soft-landing)
• Cuba (in progress)
• Laos (80% of population works in agriculture, one of the lowest annual incomes of any country in the world. 1/3 earn below $1.25 per day)
• Vietnam (I'm sure the government here is very much aware I just googled this to get that wikipedia page) (soft-landing)

Great!

I don't see Germany or Sweden on there. Are they socialist?
.

In the 1990s Swedes began to realize what socialism and statism were doing to the quality of life in their country. As a result, they elected Sweden’s first conservative government since the end of World War II. Knowing precisely what needed to be done to pull their nation back from the abyss of economic ruin, Sweden’s new conservative government quickly went to work cutting taxes on businesses and individuals. Things began to change for the better almost immediately. Consider the following improvements Sweden has enjoyed since beginning the long, hard road back from socialism and statism (data provided by the NCPA):

Between 1993 and 2010, Sweden’s GDP growth exceeded that of the rest of Europe by one full percentage point. Further, by 2010 public debt had dropped to 37 percent of GDP and taxes on businesses had been decreased to 22 percent (compare this with the 36 percent rate in the United States).

Sweden’s political leaders transformed the nation’s retirement pension system from a defined-benefit system into a defined contribution system, thereby saving it from inevitable insolvency.

The Swedish Fiscal Policy Council was established and empowered to independently monitor and evaluate government fiscal policy. The Council’s most current recommendation is that Sweden raise its retirement age to protect the long-term solvency of the nation’s retirement system.

Sweden Leads The Way In Dumping Socialism | BWCentral

For further reading...
https://nypost.com/2015/10/19/sorry-bernie-scandinavia-is-no-socialist-paradise-after-all/

Germany? You are a fan of a National Socialism? I am not. We have gone down that path.

 

[Mac1958]

It has been suggested that materialism is the only motivator of people. That's sad, but I think not a completely untrue characterization of American beliefs. This coming from American conservatives no less.

It's hard to imagine why so many Americans are unhappy.

I think it's fair to look at depression, drug addiction and suicide rates in this country and wonder about that.
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[Mac1958]

Venezuela crisis: How did we get here?
Thread over...

Is Venezuela the only example of socialism? Can you think of any others?
.

Non Marxist-Leninist Socialist Countries

• Bangladesh (1971-)
• Guinea-Bissau (1973-)
• Guyana (1980-)
• India (1976-)
• North Korea (1992-)
• Nepal (2015-)
• Portugal (1976-)
• Sao Tome (1975-)
• Sri Lanka (1985-)
• Tanzania (1964-)
• Algeria (1963-1989)
• Burma (1962-1988)

Former Non Marxist-Leninist Socialist Countries

• Cape Verde (1975-1992)
• Egypt (1958-2007)
• Iraq (1968-2003)
• Libya (1969-2011)
• Madagascar (1975-1992)
• Sudan (1973-1985)
• Syria (1963-2012)

Former Marxist-Leninist Countries

• Afghanistan (1978-1992)
• Albania (1946-1992)
• Angola (1975-1992)
• Benin (1975-1990)
• Bulgaria (1946-1990)
• Cambodia (1975-1989)
• Congo (1975-1992)
• Czechoslovakia (1946-1990)
• Ethiopia (1974-1991)
• East Germany (1949-1990)
• Hungary) (1949-1989)
• North Korea 1948-1992 (in 1992, all references to Marxist-Leninism were scrubbed. Remains generic "socialist" state)
• Mongolia (1924-1990)
• Mozambique (1975-1990) (my mom who is Portuguese lived here during this time)
• Poland (1945-1989)
• Romania (1947-1989)
• Somalia (1969-1991)
• Soviet Union (1922-1991)
• North Vietnam (1945-1975) (then they won the war)
• South Yemen (1967-1990)
• Ukraine (1919-1991)
• Yugoslavia (1945-1992)

Current Marxist-Leninist countries include:

• China (soft-landing)
• Cuba (in progress)
• Laos (80% of population works in agriculture, one of the lowest annual incomes of any country in the world. 1/3 earn below $1.25 per day)
• Vietnam (I'm sure the government here is very much aware I just googled this to get that wikipedia page) (soft-landing)

Great!

I don't see Germany or Sweden on there. Are they socialist?
.

In the 1990s Swedes began to realize what socialism and statism were doing to the quality of life in their country. As a result, they elected Sweden’s first conservative government since the end of World War II. Knowing precisely what needed to be done to pull their nation back from the abyss of economic ruin, Sweden’s new conservative government quickly went to work cutting taxes on businesses and individuals. Things began to change for the better almost immediately. Consider the following improvements Sweden has enjoyed since beginning the long, hard road back from socialism and statism (data provided by the NCPA):

Between 1993 and 2010, Sweden’s GDP growth exceeded that of the rest of Europe by one full percentage point. Further, by 2010 public debt had dropped to 37 percent of GDP and taxes on businesses had been decreased to 22 percent (compare this with the 36 percent rate in the United States).

Sweden’s political leaders transformed the nation’s retirement pension system from a defined-benefit system into a defined contribution system, thereby saving it from inevitable insolvency.

The Swedish Fiscal Policy Council was established and empowered to independently monitor and evaluate government fiscal policy. The Council’s most current recommendation is that Sweden raise its retirement age to protect the long-term solvency of the nation’s retirement system.

Sweden Leads The Way In Dumping Socialism | BWCentral

Your answer appears to be "it was, but it's moving away from it". Is that fair?
.

 

[Tehon]

It has been suggested that materialism is the only motivator of people. That's sad, but I think not a completely untrue characterization of American beliefs. This coming from American conservatives no less.

It's hard to imagine why so many Americans are unhappy.

Yeah, not really.

 

[Confounding]

Venezuela crisis: How did we get here?
Thread over...

Is Venezuela the only example of socialism? Can you think of any others?
.

Non Marxist-Leninist Socialist Countries

• Bangladesh (1971-)
• Guinea-Bissau (1973-)
• Guyana (1980-)
• India (1976-)
• North Korea (1992-)
• Nepal (2015-)
• Portugal (1976-)
• Sao Tome (1975-)
• Sri Lanka (1985-)
• Tanzania (1964-)
• Algeria (1963-1989)
• Burma (1962-1988)

Former Non Marxist-Leninist Socialist Countries

• Cape Verde (1975-1992)
• Egypt (1958-2007)
• Iraq (1968-2003)
• Libya (1969-2011)
• Madagascar (1975-1992)
• Sudan (1973-1985)
• Syria (1963-2012)

Former Marxist-Leninist Countries

• Afghanistan (1978-1992)
• Albania (1946-1992)
• Angola (1975-1992)
• Benin (1975-1990)
• Bulgaria (1946-1990)
• Cambodia (1975-1989)
• Congo (1975-1992)
• Czechoslovakia (1946-1990)
• Ethiopia (1974-1991)
• East Germany (1949-1990)
• Hungary) (1949-1989)
• North Korea 1948-1992 (in 1992, all references to Marxist-Leninism were scrubbed. Remains generic "socialist" state)
• Mongolia (1924-1990)
• Mozambique (1975-1990) (my mom who is Portuguese lived here during this time)
• Poland (1945-1989)
• Romania (1947-1989)
• Somalia (1969-1991)
• Soviet Union (1922-1991)
• North Vietnam (1945-1975) (then they won the war)
• South Yemen (1967-1990)
• Ukraine (1919-1991)
• Yugoslavia (1945-1992)

Current Marxist-Leninist countries include:

• China (soft-landing)
• Cuba (in progress)
• Laos (80% of population works in agriculture, one of the lowest annual incomes of any country in the world. 1/3 earn below $1.25 per day)
• Vietnam (I'm sure the government here is very much aware I just googled this to get that wikipedia page) (soft-landing)

Great!

I don't see Germany or Sweden on there. Are they socialist?
.

In the 1990s Swedes began to realize what socialism and statism were doing to the quality of life in their country. As a result, they elected Sweden’s first conservative government since the end of World War II. Knowing precisely what needed to be done to pull their nation back from the abyss of economic ruin, Sweden’s new conservative government quickly went to work cutting taxes on businesses and individuals. Things began to change for the better almost immediately. Consider the following improvements Sweden has enjoyed since beginning the long, hard road back from socialism and statism (data provided by the NCPA):

Between 1993 and 2010, Sweden’s GDP growth exceeded that of the rest of Europe by one full percentage point. Further, by 2010 public debt had dropped to 37 percent of GDP and taxes on businesses had been decreased to 22 percent (compare this with the 36 percent rate in the United States).

Sweden’s political leaders transformed the nation’s retirement pension system from a defined-benefit system into a defined contribution system, thereby saving it from inevitable insolvency.

The Swedish Fiscal Policy Council was established and empowered to independently monitor and evaluate government fiscal policy. The Council’s most current recommendation is that Sweden raise its retirement age to protect the long-term solvency of the nation’s retirement system.

Sweden Leads The Way In Dumping Socialism | BWCentral

LMFAO!

Ah, yes, conservative Sweden.

Universal healthcare

Tuition free college

Mandatory two years of PAID leave for new moms and dads

Powerful and influential unions

A high minimum wage

Damn man, gimme some of that conservatism!

 

[initforme]

In not talking about Sweden. In america we have no socialistic policies not socialism popular so why the op frankly moronic.