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I agree completely, but ss is socialist only to those that didn’t pay into it. We that worked, paid for it, and our payments are based on what we were forced to pay into it.Social security is not socialism. It is our own money we are forced to pay in, rather than invest and make more for ourselves.How many of those old white conservatives use social security? We already have socialist programs, and they do what they're supposed to. We have to stop using the word socialism. People are too dumb to get over the stigma that has been attached to it by the propaganda machine. It's a buzzword that automatically shuts down the conversation. They hear it and their brains turn off.
It's a socialist program. Socialist programs are the only thing the left is trying to see implemented.
Right, well, either way it's a successful and popular socialist program. Same goes for medicaid/medicare. There are ideas and elements of socialism that can happily coexist with our capitalism and make things better for everybody.
Would you say the constant use of the term is mostly to fire up the base?
Yep. I would think that a reasonable person would understand that this all lies along a continuum, that you're not either "socialist" or "not socialist". But it sure does seem like there are a lot of people who can't seem to grasp that.There are ideas and elements of socialism that can happily coexist with our capitalism and make things better for everybody.
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Yeah. It's not a good sign when "nuance" is considered a negative.Of course it is. Most people are too dumb to navigate politics without buzzwords that help them see everything in black and white. The world is too confusing in color.Would you say the constant use of the term is mostly to fire up the base?
Would you say the constant use of the term is mostly to fire up the base?Our conservative posters continue to start thread after thread pertaining to "socialism". And even though their exact definitions are fairly unclear, it's obvious they think that screaming SOCIALISM is, by itself, enough to win a debate.
As most of us can see, more and more people are becoming perfectly comfortable with the word - in part, no doubt, because the Right has completely over-used and diluted it.
How long before the Right realizes the term "socialism" no longer scares people?
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"Not in this lifetime, pal."
If there is a more unifying rallying call for conservatives against the American Left, politically speaking not culturally, I challenge you to find it. Once again, so-called elite American liberal intellectualism gets the American Left into water so hot it boils, socially and academically. I will never understand the postmodernist American Left's failed philosophical political strategy of attempting to "think away" the bad or downright evil from a downright evil social proposition. You cannot rewrite history, just as you cannot lie to and successfully fool tens of millions of Americans with on demand access to online historical information.
Those intellectual Leftists who lie to the American people about what socialism really is might can get away with announcing publicly American popular support for it, but you all wannabe Marxist piggy banks will break most shatteringly at the polls. Thing is, you keep trying, historically, to wrap the same gift of utter shit in a different, more attractive wrapping replete with a more attractive ribbon. Shame.
Mister Mystery Guest Marxist,
If you want to find something every last patriotic American will pick up the sword to put back in its historical place, join the neo-push for American socialism. The sound of the movement pop-splattering under mechanized treads will be heard nationwide. Proceed. Please.
I admit - I don't really understand partisan politics and this is one point that I often miss. If the point is to fire up the base without caring much about what the rest think, I suppose I can see that. That's pretty much what Trump's presidency is about, anyway.
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Receiving what one pays in back is not socialism.
Popular to some. Others with any financial investing knowledge, not so much.I agree completely, but ss is socialist only to those that didn’t pay into it. We that worked, paid for it, and our payments are based on what we were forced to pay into it.Social security is not socialism. It is our own money we are forced to pay in, rather than invest and make more for ourselves.How many of those old white conservatives use social security? We already have socialist programs, and they do what they're supposed to. We have to stop using the word socialism. People are too dumb to get over the stigma that has been attached to it by the propaganda machine. It's a buzzword that automatically shuts down the conversation. They hear it and their brains turn off.
It's a socialist program. Socialist programs are the only thing the left is trying to see implemented.
Right, well, either way it's a successful and popular socialist program. Same goes for medicaid/medicare. There are ideas and elements of socialism that can happily coexist with our capitalism and make things better for everybody.
Isn't that what Trump and his supporters are doing right now?Don't try to tell other people what benefits them. That's incredibly condescending.
You are delusional.It makes it so much easier to distinguish between the two major political parties when the crazy democrat left finally quits the smoke and mirrors and comes out of the socialist political closet. Live with it and embrace it while you can lefties because the democrat party ain't likely to be around much longer at this rate.
If you think the Democrats are socialist you're fucking nuts. The Democrats would be right wing in most European countries.
Isn't that what Trump and his supporters are doing right now?Don't try to tell other people what benefits them. That's incredibly condescending.
He's playing to his base like no President before him. Surely he and they must think they know what's best for the rest of us.
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But it sure does seem like there are a lot of people who can't seem to grasp that.
It applies to both ends. It seems to me that "firing up the base" is the Number One goal of politicians at this point. Get the donations. Get the volunteers. Get the vote out.Would you say the constant use of the term is mostly to fire up the base?Our conservative posters continue to start thread after thread pertaining to "socialism". And even though their exact definitions are fairly unclear, it's obvious they think that screaming SOCIALISM is, by itself, enough to win a debate.
As most of us can see, more and more people are becoming perfectly comfortable with the word - in part, no doubt, because the Right has completely over-used and diluted it.
How long before the Right realizes the term "socialism" no longer scares people?
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"Not in this lifetime, pal."
If there is a more unifying rallying call for conservatives against the American Left, politically speaking not culturally, I challenge you to find it. Once again, so-called elite American liberal intellectualism gets the American Left into water so hot it boils, socially and academically. I will never understand the postmodernist American Left's failed philosophical political strategy of attempting to "think away" the bad or downright evil from a downright evil social proposition. You cannot rewrite history, just as you cannot lie to and successfully fool tens of millions of Americans with on demand access to online historical information.
Those intellectual Leftists who lie to the American people about what socialism really is might can get away with announcing publicly American popular support for it, but you all wannabe Marxist piggy banks will break most shatteringly at the polls. Thing is, you keep trying, historically, to wrap the same gift of utter shit in a different, more attractive wrapping replete with a more attractive ribbon. Shame.
Mister Mystery Guest Marxist,
If you want to find something every last patriotic American will pick up the sword to put back in its historical place, join the neo-push for American socialism. The sound of the movement pop-splattering under mechanized treads will be heard nationwide. Proceed. Please.
I admit - I don't really understand partisan politics and this is one point that I often miss. If the point is to fire up the base without caring much about what the rest think, I suppose I can see that. That's pretty much what Trump's presidency is about, anyway.
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Depends which base we're discussing--Right or Left. Seems the Left has dug deep in the radical philosophical bag to find any alternative platform to run against President Trump and the Right, and then pickup the pieces after hypothetical victories. Running socialism will get the Left's shiny new-old ship sunk.
Poll Pot...when it is never too late to say you are sorry...
You leave out the part where the US and North Vietnam destabilized Cambodia/Kampuchea/the Khmer Republic to the point where Pol Pot could take over to start with. Funny how you guys leave that part out.
Pol Pot was an engineering student in Paris when he was taught Marxist philosophy. The French did this stuff.
Nowhere did I say this was about illegals.Isn't that what Trump and his supporters are doing right now?Don't try to tell other people what benefits them. That's incredibly condescending.
He's playing to his base like no President before him. Surely he and they must think they know what's best for the rest of us.
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And where the fck is he saying that his policies are meant to benefit say... the illegals? Obviously they aren't... the policies punish those people harshly. Exactly as designed.
No benefits for those wanting to illegally immigrate.
So no, you are plain wrong.
Isn't that what Trump and his supporters are doing right now?Don't try to tell other people what benefits them. That's incredibly condescending.
He's playing to his base like no President before him. Surely he and they must think they know what's best for the rest of us.
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Correct, no policy benefits everyone.Isn't that what Trump and his supporters are doing right now?Don't try to tell other people what benefits them. That's incredibly condescending.
He's playing to his base like no President before him. Surely he and they must think they know what's best for the rest of us.
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Also I note that instead of giving the "obvious" example of socialism that benefits everyone, you didn't do so. That's because such a thing doesn't exist so quit pretending it does. No policy benefits everyone.
Nowhere did I say this was about illegals.Isn't that what Trump and his supporters are doing right now?Don't try to tell other people what benefits them. That's incredibly condescending.
He's playing to his base like no President before him. Surely he and they must think they know what's best for the rest of us.
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And where the fck is he saying that his policies are meant to benefit say... the illegals? Obviously they aren't... the policies punish those people harshly. Exactly as designed.
No benefits for those wanting to illegally immigrate.
So no, you are plain wrong.
Yikes.
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Correct, no policy benefits everyone.Isn't that what Trump and his supporters are doing right now?Don't try to tell other people what benefits them. That's incredibly condescending.
He's playing to his base like no President before him. Surely he and they must think they know what's best for the rest of us.
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Also I note that instead of giving the "obvious" example of socialism that benefits everyone, you didn't do so. That's because such a thing doesn't exist so quit pretending it does. No policy benefits everyone.
Once again, that's not my point.
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Poll Pot...when it is never too late to say you are sorry...
You leave out the part where the US and North Vietnam destabilized Cambodia/Kampuchea/the Khmer Republic to the point where Pol Pot could take over to start with. Funny how you guys leave that part out.
Pol Pot was an engineering student in Paris when he was taught Marxist philosophy. The French did this stuff.
And Pol's right hand man, a student of postmodernism at the Sorbonne, returned home and decided to move most everyone from the city to the country, and purge the rest. The anti-American idiots running for, calling for American socialism are overt, uncaring, anti-Constitution liars.
