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Sanger again? She actually had a good relationship with black leaders of her time, like W.E.B. Du Bois, who didn't suffer fools lightly. Enough with the "history" lesson, it won't hide the fact that you're lying now.Face reality, PP was founded to reduce the black population by aborting black children. Sanger is quoted saying that many times. PP is nothing but an abortion mill pretending to be a women's health clinic. Not a cent of taxpayer money should be used for this insanity.Correct, besides delivery costs, clinic workers need to be paid.a "handling" fee
From Factcheck.org
"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."
"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.
"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"
"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."
"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"
"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."
Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video
The only thing you actually discounted was the statement some doctor made about this may violate federal law. It doesn't but it is still pretty gruesome considering some of this "tissue" may actually resemble human body parts.
They're delivering biological samples. Even if PP does use UPS, UPS has to be paid. That's a long way from actually selling body parts.UPS is selling a service. PP was extracting the organs from murdered unborn humans and then selling them. They may have uses UPS to deliver them, who knows or cares?No you're not, you're delivering. UPS gets paid, but they're not selling, they're delivering.OK, dude. pay attention. when you get paid money to deliver something, you are selling it.
of course they are selling body parts. They are charging a fee plus shipping cost------------they are SELLING them.
BZZZT Wrong!
The fees are for storage, handling and shipping. There is no price on the tissue itself.
cant lose those pp $$profits$$
So... their supporters can send them a donation.Correct, besides delivery costs, clinic workers need to be paid.a "handling" fee
They don't need to be funded by the government now that we have the ACA providing low income women the same services.
From Factcheck.org
"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."
"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.
"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"
"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."
"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"
"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."
Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video
The only thing you actually discounted was the statement some doctor made about this may violate federal law. It doesn't but it is still pretty gruesome considering some of this "tissue" may actually resemble human body parts.
"The doctor" is a candidate for the Republican nomination for POTUS, and his quote is germane to the question of sales, to wit: "but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law."
From Factcheck.org
"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."
"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.
"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"
"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."
"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"
"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."
Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video
Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes
other than passing out condoms at junior high schools, what good does it do?
Actually, Sandra Fluke wasn't in Junior High and she could have gotten free birth control at a variety of Planned Parenthood locations within a few miles of Georgetown
Why is it the government's role to provide free birth control to anyone? What's next, mandatory sterilization of those deemed unworthy by the government? Wasn't that tried once in a european country named Germany?
comparing war to abortion is really a bad analogy. If you want to talk about our military activities thats another thread.
But since you brought it up. Have you condemned the murder of Christians in the mid east simply for being Christians? Have you condemned ISIS for murdering anyone who does not subscribe to its sick view of religion?
From Factcheck.org
"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."
"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.
"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"
"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."
"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"
"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."
Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video
Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes
cant lose those pp $$profits$$
PP is a non-profit organization.
Please provide a credible non-partisan source for those alleged "profits".
So this now depends on the meaning of the word "Pay"?If PP was selling puppy organs their funding would have been cut off immediately. Or heaven forbid, lion organs from lions killed by hunters.
our society is very screwed up right now.
You and the person who thanked you for your post need to read the link. Or, you can continue to lie by inference. PP DID NOT sell body parts, of course that fact will not disabuse you and her, as proud and loud members of the echo chamber.
The truth should make you mute, sadly it never does.
OK, dude. pay attention. when you get paid money to deliver something, you are selling it.
Okay dude, what ever you say. Feel free to continue to prove you're a partisan hack who does not value the truth.
From the OP: "The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.
You've lost this argyument. Burying the thing in technicalities, legalism, and definition does not erase the horror of PP selling organs and discussing this openly.
They're delivering biological samples. Even if PP does use UPS, UPS has to be paid. That's a long way from actually selling body parts.UPS is selling a service. PP was extracting the organs from murdered unborn humans and then selling them. They may have uses UPS to deliver them, who knows or cares?No you're not, you're delivering. UPS gets paid, but they're not selling, they're delivering.
of course they are selling body parts. They are charging a fee plus shipping cost------------they are SELLING them.
BZZZT Wrong!
The fees are for storage, handling and shipping. There is no price on the tissue itself.
Right, those fees will buy several Lamborghinis. The naivete of you libs knows no bounds.
cant lose those pp $$profits$$
PP is a non-profit organization.
Please provide a credible non-partisan source for those alleged "profits".
cant lose those pp $$profits$$
PP is a non-profit organization.
Please provide a credible non-partisan source for those alleged "profits".
Yes, they make their books balance at zero. They spend all of the funding that they receive from taxpayers plus the money they receive from the sale of fetal organs and tissue.
The individual sale of a fetal organ is a profit making transaction. That is what is being discussed, not the bottom line on PP's tax forms.
comparing war to abortion is really a bad analogy. If you want to talk about our military activities thats another thread.
But since you brought it up. Have you condemned the murder of Christians in the mid east simply for being Christians? Have you condemned ISIS for murdering anyone who does not subscribe to its sick view of religion?
I condemn all murders comrade, doesn't matter if they're black, white, muslim or christian
And why is comparing war to abortion a bad analogy? Don't you guys claim to be pro life, or is it only pro life when a woman decides to have an abortion?
From Factcheck.org
"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."
"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.
"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"
"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."
"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"
"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."
Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video
Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes
other than passing out condoms at junior high schools, what good does it do?
Actually, Sandra Fluke wasn't in Junior High and she could have gotten free birth control at a variety of Planned Parenthood locations within a few miles of Georgetown
Why is it the government's role to provide free birth control to anyone? What's next, mandatory sterilization of those deemed unworthy by the government? Wasn't that tried once in a european country named Germany?
cant lose those pp $$profits$$
PP is a non-profit organization.
Please provide a credible non-partisan source for those alleged "profits".
Yes, they make their books balance at zero. They spend all of the funding that they receive from taxpayers plus the money they receive from the sale of fetal organs and tissue.
The individual sale of a fetal organ is a profit making transaction. That is what is being discussed, not the bottom line on PP's tax forms.
Thank you for admitting that you are lying!
cant lose those pp $$profits$$
PP is a non-profit organization.
Please provide a credible non-partisan source for those alleged "profits".
PP is a non-profit organization.
so what
ceo cecile richards of plan parenthood makes over 500 grand a year
doesnt sound like non profit to me
From Factcheck.org
"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."
"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.
"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"
"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."
"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"
"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."
Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video
This is quid pro quo for conservatives these days. Lie, have many other people repeat the lie, and claim its truth. Then when you are called on the lie don't retract it, just say "well I heard it from these various sources".
Its an underhanded masturbatory way of creating false authority so the dull-bulbs in the Republican base will get seething and motivated.
Republicans don't have anything else of value to sell, so they have become manipulators and sellers of the big lie. Faux News and con-media, along with all the fake conservative 'think tanks' are the lie machine.
Watch to see if any of the Republicans that repeated this lie will now back-track and take it back. They won't.
Failed attempt to deflect.Correct, besides delivery costs, clinic workers need to be paid.a "handling" fee
Aren't they paid by the 500 M annual funding from congress?
Face reality, PP was founded to reduce the black population by aborting black children. Sanger is quoted saying that many times. PP is nothing but an abortion mill pretending to be a women's health clinic. Not a cent of taxpayer money should be used for this insanity.
If they were selling puppy or kitten organs the funding would have been cancelled already-------our society is sick.
