Planned Parenthood: False Allegations and the Clown Car

From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes


other than passing out condoms at junior high schools, what good does it do?

Actually, Sandra Fluke wasn't in Junior High and she could have gotten free birth control at a variety of Planned Parenthood locations within a few miles of Georgetown


Why is it the government's role to provide free birth control to anyone? What's next, mandatory sterilization of those deemed unworthy by the government? Wasn't that tried once in a european country named Germany?

If you cared at all about eliminating abortion, you should be endorsing any program that helps to mitigate unintended pregnancy.


Education is the best program for preventing unintended pregnancy. Teaching morality and personal responisbility is much better for society that passing out condoms and telling kids "go to it, just put the rubber on first".
 
cant lose those pp $$profits$$

PP is a non-profit organization.

Please provide a credible non-partisan source for those alleged "profits".


Yes, they make their books balance at zero. They spend all of the funding that they receive from taxpayers plus the money they receive from the sale of fetal organs and tissue.

The individual sale of a fetal organ is a profit making transaction. That is what is being discussed, not the bottom line on PP's tax forms.

Thank you for admitting that you are lying!


did you bother to read my post dipshit? no lies, just facts.

Yes, you admitted that you lied about PP making profits.

There is no profit on the donation of fetal tissue.
 
cant lose those pp $$profits$$

PP is a non-profit organization.

Please provide a credible non-partisan source for those alleged "profits".


Yes, they make their books balance at zero. They spend all of the funding that they receive from taxpayers plus the money they receive from the sale of fetal organs and tissue.

The individual sale of a fetal organ is a profit making transaction. That is what is being discussed, not the bottom line on PP's tax forms.

Thank you for admitting that you are lying!


did you bother to read my post dipshit? no lies, just facts.

Unless a forensic accounted has published evidence of your allegation, your allegation is only your opinion. It is my opinion you've lied, if you have not, post the evidence probative proving PP has acted illegally.
 
Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes


other than passing out condoms at junior high schools, what good does it do?

Actually, Sandra Fluke wasn't in Junior High and she could have gotten free birth control at a variety of Planned Parenthood locations within a few miles of Georgetown


Why is it the government's role to provide free birth control to anyone? What's next, mandatory sterilization of those deemed unworthy by the government? Wasn't that tried once in a european country named Germany?

If you cared at all about eliminating abortion, you should be endorsing any program that helps to mitigate unintended pregnancy.


Education is the best program for preventing unintended pregnancy. Teaching morality and personal responisbility is much better for society that passing out condoms and telling kids "go to it, just put the rubber on first".

Abstinence education has been a complete and utter failure.
 
a "handling" fee
Correct, besides delivery costs, clinic workers need to be paid.


Aren't they paid by the 500 M annual funding from congress?

Face reality, PP was founded to reduce the black population by aborting black children. Sanger is quoted saying that many times. PP is nothing but an abortion mill pretending to be a women's health clinic. Not a cent of taxpayer money should be used for this insanity.

If they were selling puppy or kitten organs the funding would have been cancelled already-------our society is sick.
Failed attempt to deflect.

The thread topic is the fact that Planned Parenthood violated no laws.


Whether they violated laws will be determined in court. Fortunatley YOU won't be the judge or jury.
 
cant lose those pp $$profits$$

PP is a non-profit organization.

Please provide a credible non-partisan source for those alleged "profits".

PP is a non-profit organization.

so what

ceo cecile richards of plan parenthood makes over 500 grand a year

doesnt sound like non profit to me

Your opinion and a couple of dollars will get you a cup of coffee.

The fact remains that PP is a non-profit organization and no amount of lying on your part will alter that fact.

almost six hundred thousand dollar income

and they cater to the "poor"

after life and limb of the unborn
 
cant lose those pp $$profits$$

PP is a non-profit organization.

Please provide a credible non-partisan source for those alleged "profits".


Yes, they make their books balance at zero. They spend all of the funding that they receive from taxpayers plus the money they receive from the sale of fetal organs and tissue.

The individual sale of a fetal organ is a profit making transaction. That is what is being discussed, not the bottom line on PP's tax forms.

Thank you for admitting that you are lying!


did you bother to read my post dipshit? no lies, just facts.

Yes, you admitted that you lied about PP making profits.

There is no profit on the donation of fetal tissue.
They make enough of a profit so that one of the doctors can contemplate buying a Lamborghini.
 
comparing war to abortion is really a bad analogy. If you want to talk about our military activities thats another thread.


But since you brought it up. Have you condemned the murder of Christians in the mid east simply for being Christians? Have you condemned ISIS for murdering anyone who does not subscribe to its sick view of religion?

I condemn all murders comrade, doesn't matter if they're black, white, muslim or christian

And why is comparing war to abortion a bad analogy? Don't you guys claim to be pro life, or is it only pro life when a woman decides to have an abortion?


I'm glad that you condemn ALL murders-----------------------EXCEPT those of helpless unborn human beings.

Hypocrisy is the watch word of liberalism.

And their mothers. You never see them championing the women the butchers like Kermit Gosnell prey on do you?
 
From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

The only thing you actually discounted was the statement some doctor made about this may violate federal law. It doesn't but it is still pretty gruesome considering some of this "tissue" may actually resemble human body parts.

"The doctor" is a candidate for the Republican nomination for POTUS, and his quote is germane to the question of sales, to wit: "but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law."


Yes, thats all true. However we cannot ignore the FACT that PP exists to provide abortions. Their only product is fetal tissue. they are a fetal tissue farm. Legality and morality do cross paths.

No. PP exists to provide reproductive and health services. Only 3% of their services are abortion related. You can't stop misrepresenting what they do lest your argument crumble.

plannedparenthood3.png
 
other than passing out condoms at junior high schools, what good does it do?

Actually, Sandra Fluke wasn't in Junior High and she could have gotten free birth control at a variety of Planned Parenthood locations within a few miles of Georgetown


Why is it the government's role to provide free birth control to anyone? What's next, mandatory sterilization of those deemed unworthy by the government? Wasn't that tried once in a european country named Germany?

If you cared at all about eliminating abortion, you should be endorsing any program that helps to mitigate unintended pregnancy.


Education is the best program for preventing unintended pregnancy. Teaching morality and personal responisbility is much better for society that passing out condoms and telling kids "go to it, just put the rubber on first".

Abstinence education has been a complete and utter failure.


Human beings will always have a strong sex drive. That is a good thing. Education and personal responsibility and an understand of right and wrong is whats missing today.
 
Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes


other than passing out condoms at junior high schools, what good does it do?

Actually, Sandra Fluke wasn't in Junior High and she could have gotten free birth control at a variety of Planned Parenthood locations within a few miles of Georgetown


Why is it the government's role to provide free birth control to anyone? What's next, mandatory sterilization of those deemed unworthy by the government? Wasn't that tried once in a european country named Germany?

If you cared at all about eliminating abortion, you should be endorsing any program that helps to mitigate unintended pregnancy.


Education is the best program for preventing unintended pregnancy. Teaching morality and personal responisbility is much better for society that passing out condoms and telling kids "go to it, just put the rubber on first".

Just say no doesn't work.

Maybe the private sector ought to cut back on sexually oriented advertisements and the conservative meme ought to support teaching means to prevent pregnancy and the transmission of disease. The use of condoms in an age appropriate health curriculum is appropriate.

Which do you think, will stimulate their interests in experimenting sexually?
 
From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

The only thing you actually discounted was the statement some doctor made about this may violate federal law. It doesn't but it is still pretty gruesome considering some of this "tissue" may actually resemble human body parts.

"The doctor" is a candidate for the Republican nomination for POTUS, and his quote is germane to the question of sales, to wit: "but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law."


Yes, thats all true. However we cannot ignore the FACT that PP exists to provide abortions. Their only product is fetal tissue. they are a fetal tissue farm. Legality and morality do cross paths.

No. PP exists to provide reproductive and health services. Only 3% of their services are abortion related. You can't stop misrepresenting what they do lest your argument crumble.

plannedparenthood3.png


nice circle with colored pie slices. Care to source it?
 
cant lose those pp $$profits$$

PP is a non-profit organization.

Please provide a credible non-partisan source for those alleged "profits".

PP is a non-profit organization.

so what

ceo cecile richards of plan parenthood makes over 500 grand a year

doesnt sound like non profit to me

Your opinion and a couple of dollars will get you a cup of coffee.

The fact remains that PP is a non-profit organization and no amount of lying on your part will alter that fact.

almost six hundred thousand dollar income

and they cater to the "poor"

after life and limb of the unborn

Thank you for admitting that you have nothing but inane deflections from the OP topic and have disqualified yourself from any further meaningful participation.

Have a nice day.
 
other than passing out condoms at junior high schools, what good does it do?

Actually, Sandra Fluke wasn't in Junior High and she could have gotten free birth control at a variety of Planned Parenthood locations within a few miles of Georgetown


Why is it the government's role to provide free birth control to anyone? What's next, mandatory sterilization of those deemed unworthy by the government? Wasn't that tried once in a european country named Germany?

If you cared at all about eliminating abortion, you should be endorsing any program that helps to mitigate unintended pregnancy.


Education is the best program for preventing unintended pregnancy. Teaching morality and personal responisbility is much better for society that passing out condoms and telling kids "go to it, just put the rubber on first".

Just say no doesn't work.

Maybe the private sector ought to cut back on sexually oriented advertisements and the conservative meme ought to support teaching means to prevent pregnancy and the transmission of disease. The use of condoms in an age appropriate health curriculum is appropriate.

Which do you think, will stimulate their interests in experimenting sexually?


We agree on sex education. Condoms have always been available. We don't need to spend millions of taxpayer money on PP. If libs want to send their money to PP, great. But I don't want my tax payments sent to them.
 
PP is a non-profit organization.

Please provide a credible non-partisan source for those alleged "profits".


Yes, they make their books balance at zero. They spend all of the funding that they receive from taxpayers plus the money they receive from the sale of fetal organs and tissue.

The individual sale of a fetal organ is a profit making transaction. That is what is being discussed, not the bottom line on PP's tax forms.

Thank you for admitting that you are lying!


did you bother to read my post dipshit? no lies, just facts.

Yes, you admitted that you lied about PP making profits.

There is no profit on the donation of fetal tissue.
They make enough of a profit so that one of the doctors can contemplate buying a Lamborghini.

You are whining about the overhead of paying medical professionals. That has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with profits.

Obviously you don't have a clue about the OP topic and have disqualified yourself from any further meaningful participation.
 
From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes

Puplic health is a public concern. That's why they get public funds.


Then we should defund HHS. I thought public health was the job of that agency.
 
Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes


other than passing out condoms at junior high schools, what good does it do?

Actually, Sandra Fluke wasn't in Junior High and she could have gotten free birth control at a variety of Planned Parenthood locations within a few miles of Georgetown


Why is it the government's role to provide free birth control to anyone? What's next, mandatory sterilization of those deemed unworthy by the government? Wasn't that tried once in a european country named Germany?

If you cared at all about eliminating abortion, you should be endorsing any program that helps to mitigate unintended pregnancy.


Education is the best program for preventing unintended pregnancy. Teaching morality and personal responisbility is much better for society that passing out condoms and telling kids "go to it, just put the rubber on first".

Both should be done but of course it's Repubs all around the nation pulling funding for both sex ed and contraception. Your ideal of inspiring morality as a cure to pregnancy is never going to overcome human nature. You are a perfect example of the coveluded con thinking on this subject.
 
Actually, Sandra Fluke wasn't in Junior High and she could have gotten free birth control at a variety of Planned Parenthood locations within a few miles of Georgetown


Why is it the government's role to provide free birth control to anyone? What's next, mandatory sterilization of those deemed unworthy by the government? Wasn't that tried once in a european country named Germany?

If you cared at all about eliminating abortion, you should be endorsing any program that helps to mitigate unintended pregnancy.


Education is the best program for preventing unintended pregnancy. Teaching morality and personal responisbility is much better for society that passing out condoms and telling kids "go to it, just put the rubber on first".

Abstinence education has been a complete and utter failure.


Human beings will always have a strong sex drive. That is a good thing. Education and personal responsibility and an understand of right and wrong is whats missing today.

Which part of this do you need an adult to explain to you?

Abstinence education has been a complete and utter failure.
 
Human beings will always have a strong sex drive. That is a good thing. Education and personal responsibility and an understand of right and wrong is whats missing today.
The situation you envision never existed. It's a fairy tale. People have been fucking like bunnies since the beginning of time.
 

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