Pity Party! Obama, "I can't work with GOP Leadership." AW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[boedicca]

The GOP will either absorb the Conservative values of Fiscal Responsibility and Limited Government promoted by the Tea Parties, or the Tea Party will replace the GOP over time.

 

[The T]

The GOP will either absorb the Conservative values of Fiscal Responsibility and Limited Government promoted by the Tea Parties, or the Tea Party will replace the GOP over time.

Either way? The Republicans are on probation as the people are concerned. The Dems are about to become irrelevant. But they know this.

Thus we will see one huge hissy fit display by the DEMS on their exodus before January.

 

[Foxfyre]

The GOP will either absorb the Conservative values of Fiscal Responsibility and Limited Government promoted by the Tea Parties, or the Tea Party will replace the GOP over time.

Either way? The Republicans are on probation as the people are concerned. The Dems are about to become irrelevant. But they know this.

Thus we will see one huge hissy fit display by the DEMS on their exodus before January.

I think the Democrats have governed so against the principles and convictions of the people this time, and have done so much deeply unpopular damage in the process, that the Democratic Party may or may not ever recover. Unless there is some huge October surprise or economic miracle in the works out there, the Democratic Party may have made itself permanently irrelevent.

But you are right that the GOP will be on probation. If they are given the power again--say they retake the House and Senate AND regain the White House in 1012, and they blow it again, they're done. None of us with any principles at all will want to call ourselves Republican ever again.

 

[The T]

The GOP will either absorb the Conservative values of Fiscal Responsibility and Limited Government promoted by the Tea Parties, or the Tea Party will replace the GOP over time.

Either way? The Republicans are on probation as the people are concerned. The Dems are about to become irrelevant. But they know this.

Thus we will see one huge hissy fit display by the DEMS on their exodus before January.

I think the Democrats have governed so against the principles and convictions of the people this time, and have done so much deeply unpopular damage in the process, that the Democratic Party may or may not ever recover. Unless there is some huge October surprise or economic miracle in the works out there, the Democratic Party may have made itself permanently irrelevent.

But you are right that the GOP will be on probation. If they are given the power again--say they retake the House and Senate AND regain the White House in 1012, and they blow it again, they're done. None of us with any principles at all will want to call ourselves Republican ever again.

And it is a thin line that the Republicans walk. And the probation is the final test before a viable 'THIRD" party will go into effect. This is the wake up call for the Party of Lincoln...they had better pay heed.

 

[Liability]

Many of us object to liberal Democrat Parody political philosophy. Why? Because we object to socialism and we object to the denigration of the Constitutional principle of LIMITED government.

Given a two-party choice, then, of a Republican or a Democratic, many of us choose Republican. But the GOP loses that allegiance when they effectively become a watered-down version of the Democrat Parody.

If the GOP is just the Democrat Parody Lite, then losing the GOP as the "second" Party is no real loss.

It might take time, but if the GOP doesn't change to our liking, lots of us are prepared to permit the GOP to fucking die in order to cultivate a viable third Party becoming the actual SECOND Party in a two party system. The Whigs are no more. The GOP could easily go the same route.

I don't personally give a rat's ass about the continued existence of the Republican Party in and of itself. I dumped them, after all.

But I do care for the existence of a viable, actual and credible ALTERNATIVE to the Democrat Parody. If the GOP fails to step up to become -- once again -- that kind of Party, then it can die for all I care. It will get replaced.

On the other hand, The Dims are gonna get dumped right and left in the pending Midterms; and that will happen for very good reasons.

'Tis a start.

 

[The T]

Many of us object to liberal Democrat Parody political philosophy. Why? Because we object to socialism and we object to the denigration of the Constitutional principle of LIMITED government.

Given a two-party choice, then, of a Republican or a Democratic, many of us choose Republican. But the GOP loses that allegiance when they effectively become a watered-down version of the Democrat Parody.

If the GOP is just the Democrat Parody Lite, then losing the GOP as the "second" Party is no real loss.

It might take time, but if the GOP doesn't change to our liking, lots of us are prepared to permit the GOP to fucking die in order to cultivate a viable third Party becoming the actual SECOND Party in a two party system. The Whigs are no more. The GOP could easily go the same route.

I don't personally give a rat's ass about the continued existence of the Republican Party in and of itself. I dumped them, after all.

But I do care for the existence of a viable, actual and credible ALTERNATIVE to the Democrat Parody. If the GOP fails to step up to become -- once again -- that kind of Party, then it can die for all I care. It will get replaced.

On the other hand, The Dims are gonna get dumped right and left in the pending Midterms; and that will happen for very good reasons.

'Tis a start.

The Constitutional Conservative option.

'Cause when it gets down to brass tacks? It is Conservatives raising the challange, raising their voices...and the majority of them aren't as you and I being politically active, but rather people just trying to live their lives as they always have...but have had massive roadblocks placed in their path from a government they thought they could trust to see to it.

It's a shame though that these people have awakened to a nightmare, and apathy for once in my life I see has taken a long needed hiatus.

 

[Foxfyre]

Many of us object to liberal Democrat Parody political philosophy. Why? Because we object to socialism and we object to the denigration of the Constitutional principle of LIMITED government.

Given a two-party choice, then, of a Republican or a Democratic, many of us choose Republican. But the GOP loses that allegiance when they effectively become a watered-down version of the Democrat Parody.

If the GOP is just the Democrat Parody Lite, then losing the GOP as the "second" Party is no real loss.

You just condensed the entire message of the Tea Party movement into a few succinct lines. The GOP is being courted with opportunity to reform by the Tea Partiers because the Democratic Party and its fearless leaders have arrogantly chosen not to embrace ANY ideas or principles from the Tea Party movement and in fact have scorned, ridiculed, and condemned them.

But the message is clear. Both parties have taken us down the primrose path to ever increasing and far reaching big government that generally does not have our best interests at heart, and the fact that the GOP has shown more restraint and moved a bit more slowly along that path is not being accepted as a good excuse to support the GOP anymore.

It is no longer acceptable to just not suck as bad as the other party sucks.

 

[Full-Auto]

Had the Republican leadership in congress actually proposed legislation to solve the problems caused by previous congresses and the previous administration, then maybe there would be credibility in the notion that Obama deserves a "pity party'.

But the Republican leadership's idea of 'leadership' has been to filibuster, stonewall, ignore their own culpability and responsibility for the problems.

If anyone has behaved reprehensibly, ignoring the problems and not providing solutions that were not guaranteed to further exacerbate the problems, it has been the Republican leadership in Congress.

What garbage, continually not allowing amendments, back room deals, refusing to allow time to read the bills.

Your rant has zero merit.

Not allowing time to read the bills is pure bullshit. The Republicans have always managed to find time to put together little coalitions and have their backroom strategy meetings, the latest one being "The Young Guns." But they don't have time to read DRAFT BILLS as they worked their way through the process? Yeah, riiiiight...

Also, none of the actual ELECTED lawmaker "read" the bills thoroughly. That's what they have staff for.

Gullible-itis is so fucking rampant it makes me sick.

Your welcome to deny reality at any time. Just have you have here. I will remind you that democrats themselves have complained of the very thing you deny.

So once again your rant has zero merit. Youre two for two.

 

[MaggieMae]

I don't get it. This is the same GOP that has stated they're going to investigate everything they can, just like they did with Clinton, if they gain the majority in Congress this fall and you're complaining that Obama is just whining?

Does it continue to be senseless when you and others on the very first page of this thread, say it's a good thing to not work with Obama? I don't think his statement is unjustified when there is some proof that he has a point that it's difficult to work with the GOP, and that some people on here flat out state they shouldn't work with him at all. If anything, it just proves him correct.

You don't get why the GOP would oppose an insane tax policy, regulatory process, destruction of America's oil industry, destruction of one of the world's truly excellent and innovative healthcare systems, vastly increased entitlements, more rights afforded to illegal aliens than what is enjoyed by U.S. citizens, indefensible long term unemployment, more and more commerce and industry driven overseas, weakening of American sovereignty, unprecedented cronyism, and initiatives to spend us into irreversible bankruptcy???????

I guess that explains why Obama's approval ratings aren't zero.

I get that the GOP doesn't care about those specific things any more than the Dems, evident by omission of most from it's latest "Pledge to America." (Perhaps "doesn't care" is too strong. "Doesn't want to tackle" is more like it.) This is Erick Erickson's website (who is becoming one of my favorite conservatives--at least the guy presents an argument with some real teeth in it--not afraid to criticize his own party of natterers).

Perhaps the Most Ridiculous Thing to Come Out of Washington Since George McClellan | RedState

The pledge begins by lamenting “an arrogant and out-of-touch government of self-appointed elites” issuing “mandates”, then proceeds to demand health care mandates on insurance companies that will drive up the costs of health care for ordinary Americans.

The plan wants to put “government on the path to a balanced budget” without doing anything substantive. There is a promise to “immediately reduce spending” by cutting off stimulus funds. Wow. Exciting.

There is a plan to cut Congress’s budget, which is pretty much what was promised in 1994. Seriously? In 4 years did the Democrats really blow up the Congressional budget? No — the GOP did that too.

 

[MaggieMae]

There's plenty. They haven't made it to their destinations yet. And they won't be the typical Repube BlueBloods...they will be Conservative Correctors booting the old guard RINOS out on their collective asses.

Name one

Boehner seems to have gotten the message. DeMint already seems to be on point.

They are far from alone.

The Tea Party Revolution is not expected to be "won" in one set of mid-term elections.

Right now, the point is to put the damn BRAKES on the liberal Democrat steamroller.

Coming up is the true point of the revolution.

Isn't it wonderful that the original design of our Republic can be seen in effect? A bloodless revolution in accord with our founding principles, hopes, aspirations, desires and plans.

I have to give you kudos for a change for posting something decent and worthy of thought. If only that CAN happen, it indeed would be wonderful. But I remain skeptical because I know that changes like that require monumental changes in existing policies (not all implemented by Democrats, by the way) and a lot of people in the middle- and lower-classes will suffer. We all know how the fringe elements of the Tea Party Movement want change NOW! Ain't gonna happen NOW. Then what? A bloody revolution after all?

 

[MaggieMae]

We have an Administration that seems gung ho to destroy American oil production.
Only because alternative fuels MUST BE a part of the discussion for a change. For years the federal government has SUBSIDIZED oil companies, who turn enormous profits and are still able to pay zero in taxes. It's time that those subsidies go to energy alternatives. There will always be a need for oil, but it will never, EVER, be a top priority as the energy source of choice again.

We have a Congress and Administration that is planning another $418 BILLION stimulus package to be voted after the November election.
There has been some discussion, but there is absolutely NOTHING in the wings about another stimulus package of that magnitude. Not even close.

We have a Congress and Administration who passed a deeply unpopular and fiscally damaging healthcare overhaul that alone is costing us millions of jobs already.
Healthcare overhaul in general was demanded by over 60% at the time it first became a subject for real debate in Washington. While I agree it turned out to be a Frankenstein monster, you simply cannot imply that most Americans don't want their health care costs to be reduced, however that can happen. And even the health care reform package, AS PASSED, doesn't indicate that it is "deeply unpopular." Most people favor at least certain parts. Here are all the recent polls:http://pollingreport.com/health.htm

We have a Congress and Administration who refuse to extend the Bush tax policy and thereby free up capital and craete millions more jobs.
Except that it didn't, and it won't.
tax.com: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

The 2008 income tax data are now in, so we can assess the fulfillment of the Republican promise that tax cuts would produce widespread prosperity by looking at all the years of the George W. Bush presidency.

Just as they did in 2000, the Republicans are running this year on an economic platform of tax cuts, especially making the tax cuts permanent for the richest among us. So how did the tax cuts work out? My analysis of the new data, with all figures in 2008 dollars:

Total income was $2.74 trillion less during the eight Bush years than if incomes had stayed at 2000 levels.

We have a Congress and Administration who are determined to initiate a Cap & Tax initiative that erodes American sovereignty and would impose the largest 'tax increase' in history on the American people.
American "sovereignty"?? How so? Also, cap and trade as passed by the House was stripped from the Senate version, so it remains unclear whether the proposal will be revamped or just dumped.

And the President complains that the GOP leadership won't 'work with him?' even as some of our friends here taunt the GOP as having no leadership?

If it wasn't so tragic for so many people, it would be hysterically funny.

The GOP leadership knows all this. Yet they do indeed refuse to come up with compromising positions. LISTEN TO THEM!! Both Boehner and McConnell get before the cameras and spout nothing but propaganda! And you come here and just repeat that propaganda.

 

[Samson]

The GOP leadership knows all this. Yet they do indeed refuse to come up with compromising positions. LISTEN TO THEM!! Both Boehner and McConnell get before the cameras and spout nothing but propaganda! And you come here and just repeat that propaganda.

Damnit!

I hate it when politicians "spout nothing but propaganda!!"

Who the heck do they think they are??? Rachel Maddow? Keith Olbermann? Chris Matthews?

 

[Liability]

Name one

Boehner seems to have gotten the message. DeMint already seems to be on point.

They are far from alone.

The Tea Party Revolution is not expected to be "won" in one set of mid-term elections.

Right now, the point is to put the damn BRAKES on the liberal Democrat steamroller.

Coming up is the true point of the revolution.

Isn't it wonderful that the original design of our Republic can be seen in effect? A bloodless revolution in accord with our founding principles, hopes, aspirations, desires and plans.

I have to give you kudos for a change for posting something decent and worthy of thought. If only that CAN happen, it indeed would be wonderful. But I remain skeptical because I know that changes like that require monumental changes in existing policies (not all implemented by Democrats, by the way) and a lot of people in the middle- and lower-classes will suffer. We all know how the fringe elements of the Tea Party Movement want change NOW! Ain't gonna happen NOW. Then what? A bloody revolution after all?

Interesting. (A) I agree that not all of the existing policies can fairly be laid at the feet of the Democratics. I am none too thrilled with Republicans who have foisted off so much of this problem on America.

(B) The changes I think we need (and the beginnings of which are inherent, I hope, in the Tea Party movement and its present electoral effects) will be difficult to achieve. I am not sure "monumental" is quite the right word, but I get your gist. My way of seeing it is the same either way. It takes concerted EFFORT. But nothing whatsoever will happen until we focus the political will on these politicians to compel them to exert that effort. If I happen upon a large boulder and try to tip it over by pushing on it with my index finger, it's safe to say that the boulder isn't going to move. But if I get myself a fulcrum, as Archimedes might say, I can move mountains. The Tea Party is the fulcrum.

(C) the "monumental" changes do NOT require that the middle class and the poor need to suffer. I just flatly disagree with you on that. Our PRESENT course guarantees endless suffering. Changing course does not, but it implies the possibility of very positive change and the avoidance of suffering.

(D) Change of the kind we need may not come all at once. But significant change can indeed happen right now. Get rid of the liberal Democrat majority in Congress, and their forward movement can be fully halted. When you are speeding off in the wrong direction at break neck speeds, the application of working brakes is a very positive change. And that changes happens quite fast. No bloody revolution required.

And btw, putting some of your snarky introductory comments (and innuendos) aside, it was refreshing seeing you engage in debate on a more mature level, too.

 

[MaggieMae]

Are Sharron Angle, Christie O'Donnell and Rand Paul representative of what the Tea Party has to offer us?

Well you can continue to support an Administration and Congress who want to tax you into submission whenever they wish, who intend to continue unsustainable entitlements that drain national resources and initiative, who think we can spend ourselves into prosperity, who have no qualms about handing over American sovereignty to international interests, who have created the most unfriendly business environment in my memory, and who continue to blame others because nothing they have done has made much of a dent in an intermnable recession, or. . . . .

You can vote for people like Angle, O'Donnell, and Paul and many others who oppose all of that and are pledged to do it differently.

That's the choices in November, sweet, pure, and simple.

Do you ever post anything that isn't your own blanket ideological appraisal? Good grief... Philosophial ideologies do NOT automatically make for good policy. You and PC need to join forces and write yet another tome on the belief systems that encompass conservative public policy since you can't seem to stay focused on TODAY'S problems and what works and what does not.

 

[Rinata]

Had the Republican leadership in congress actually proposed legislation to solve the problems caused by previous congresses and the previous administration, then maybe there would be credibility in the notion that Obama deserves a "pity party'.

But the Republican leadership's idea of 'leadership' has been to filibuster, stonewall, ignore their own culpability and responsibility for the problems.

If anyone has behaved reprehensibly, ignoring the problems and not providing solutions that were not guaranteed to further exacerbate the problems, it has been the Republican leadership in Congress.

This is just a longer whine for the present them from liberals which is Republicans are the party of "NO."

This from the same hypocrites who did everything they could to block Bush and Republicans during his admin.

I guess that's only okay when Democrats are in leadership.

HEY DUMBASSES YOU EVER HEAR OF CHECKS AND BALANCES. Se Habla Constitution????????

THAT'S WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE FOR YOU BIG BABIES!

You sound to me like a damned 3rd grader. Why aren't you in school today??? Grow up.

 

[MaggieMae]

We can absorb another 9/11, but I can't work with the GOP

Ah yes, I note from the five fucking pages in a Google search that the rabid right wing noise machine has glommed onto those simple words and twists it into a monstrous faux pas. Bullshit.

The comment to Woodward was in the context of a terrorist organization, either al-Qaeda or one of the myriad other like groups, obtaining a nuclear weapon and literally "blowing up Cleveland," which is one of the scare comments used by one of Bush's pro-war talking heads. Here is the full comment:

“We can absorb a terrorist attack. We’ll do everything we can to prevent it, but even a 9/11, even the biggest attack ever… we absorbed it and we are stronger.”

You mean we're NOT?

 

[MaggieMae]

In November we get to tell Obammy, "Guess What? We won! Now shut the fuck up."

And that's really all that it's about, isn't it...Pathetic.

 

[Samson]

We can absorb another 9/11, but I can't work with the GOP

Ah yes, I note from the five fucking pages in a Google search that the rabid right wing noise machine has glommed onto those simple words and twists it into a monstrous faux pas. Bullshit.

The comment to Woodward was in the context of a terrorist organization, either al-Qaeda or one of the myriad other like groups, obtaining a nuclear weapon and literally "blowing up Cleveland," which is one of the scare comments used by one of Bush's pro-war talking heads. Here is the full comment:

“We can absorb a terrorist attack. We’ll do everything we can to prevent it, but even a 9/11, even the biggest attack ever… we absorbed it and we are stronger.”

You mean we're NOT?

We mean Obama said he wanted another 9/11 to help him win in 2012.

 

[MaggieMae]

I like how you claim that 'the left' is defending insanity, when all your claims aren't grounded in reality in begin with. I think it can almost be considered a kind of poetic irony.

Well now think about it. We have trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see--nobody, and I mean NOBODY can give us any kind of definitive figures for that though--we have a Congress on recess without having passed a 2011 budget or any appropriations bills and who have left America's business ownes stranded with no clarification of what their tax structures are going to be next year. We have near 10% unemployment after a trillion dollars in spending was absolutely essential to keep it from going much over 8%. And we have a Congress and President wanting to pass another $418 BILLION dollar stimulus package in the lame duck session after the election.

And you on the left are defending that.

You wouldn't call it insane if the conservatives were defending that?

You're right. It would be insane. If it were done during a robust economy. One where the financial system damn near melted down to the center of the earth. One where the largest, most iconic americans companies producing the best know American products in the world had not teetered on the brink of collapse. It would be insane to throw capital into such an economy.

But the policies of Trickle Down economics failed to produce the wealth it promised. As it turns out, the economy is run by consumers. Coddling such a small minority of consumers by giving them tax breaks fails to keep enough money accessible to the majority (the middle class) and the spending dynamo they are thus moving capital around in the macro economy.

And the spending of the previous eight years on two wars and tax breaks to ship factories overseas has wrought a bubble economy where greed rules and 'unreasonable exuberance' calls the tune.

So, it's time to break out the Keynsian school of economic and give the voodoo school a time out.

Business if calling a time out while they sit on mountains of cash. they're waiting for that middle class consumer giant to get released from the ER after taking it on the chin by Trickle Down for so long.

As far as the spending (TARP, stimulus), what the far right refuses to admit (ADMIT, not understand, mind you, because they do) is that the economic collapse that was imminent by the end of 2008 was such that there was only one place on earth that could generate enough money to jump start it again: The United States Government.

 

[Samson]

Well now think about it. We have trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see--nobody, and I mean NOBODY can give us any kind of definitive figures for that though--we have a Congress on recess without having passed a 2011 budget or any appropriations bills and who have left America's business ownes stranded with no clarification of what their tax structures are going to be next year. We have near 10% unemployment after a trillion dollars in spending was absolutely essential to keep it from going much over 8%. And we have a Congress and President wanting to pass another $418 BILLION dollar stimulus package in the lame duck session after the election.

And you on the left are defending that.

You wouldn't call it insane if the conservatives were defending that?

You're right. It would be insane. If it were done during a robust economy. One where the financial system damn near melted down to the center of the earth. One where the largest, most iconic americans companies producing the best know American products in the world had not teetered on the brink of collapse. It would be insane to throw capital into such an economy.

But the policies of Trickle Down economics failed to produce the wealth it promised. As it turns out, the economy is run by consumers. Coddling such a small minority of consumers by giving them tax breaks fails to keep enough money accessible to the majority (the middle class) and the spending dynamo they are thus moving capital around in the macro economy.

And the spending of the previous eight years on two wars and tax breaks to ship factories overseas has wrought a bubble economy where greed rules and 'unreasonable exuberance' calls the tune.

So, it's time to break out the Keynsian school of economic and give the voodoo school a time out.

Business if calling a time out while they sit on mountains of cash. they're waiting for that middle class consumer giant to get released from the ER after taking it on the chin by Trickle Down for so long.

As far as the spending (TARP, stimulus), what the far right refuses to admit (ADMIT, not understand, mind you, because they do) is that the economic collapse that was imminent by the end of 2008 was such that there was only one place on earth that could generate enough money to jump start it again: The United States Government.

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