Philosophical differences...GOP vs. DNC

My youngest continues to ask questions about the ‘Parties” and their distinct differences. She’s gonna follow this thread...help me explain things to a 15 year old.
I’ll get things started.
GOP:
“Let’s get the lower 50% whom contribute very little to do better and contribute more.”
DNC:
“Let’s get the the people already paying our way to pay more.”

GOP:
“Let’s lockdown our borders and focus on taking care of Americans.”
DNC:
“Let’s allow Mexicans, Central and South Americans in to mooch off taxpayers...WE’RE RICH!”

Any 15 year old who learns this is how the world works is going to have a very difficult time dealing with the world when she's older.

Just saying.

The lower 50%, as you say, has less than 1% of the wealth in this country. What more do you expect them to contribute?
 
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Assassinated...................Democrat of old...................would be labeled a traitor to the Dems today...........

And history proved him correct even though they took him out..............

These types of Democrats that could be reasoned with NO LONGER REALLY EXIST........the Blue Dogs were moderate Dems........were wiped out after Obamacare..........................




If Trump is re-elected, you will see them come back. Then they will have a fight to the death with the increasingly radical left wing of the party. Should be fun to watch.
 
Assassinated...................Democrat of old...................would be labeled a traitor to the Dems today...........

And history proved him correct even though they took him out..............

These types of Democrats that could be reasoned with NO LONGER REALLY EXIST........the Blue Dogs were moderate Dems........were wiped out after Obamacare..........................

Yes, but who wiped them out?

Oh, that's right. It was all the racist whites who didn't want them in office anymore when they started saying, "Hey, maybe we should get rid of racism in this country."
 
You claim to be moderate...........I don't agree...........
Another lie. I have never claimed to be moderate. I also address that lie, specifically, in the second line of my sig.

Those of us who can think for ourselves expose people like you for what you are, and I understand that would trigger you.

Not my problem. When you lie like this, it illustrates my point.

I do hope the young lady for whom this thread is intended is reading this.
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For you to refer to me as a liar in the same aspect of Jake the Fake is a Joke.........

I've seen your threads trying BS social experiments..........trying to act all righteous while YOU NEVER RENDER A REAL OPINION..........

Which is exactly why I place you in the NOSE BLEED SECTION of the bleachers..........

What is your position on career politicians who GET PAID by LOBBIES.........to do their bidding..............

NAME SOME.........SPECIFICS........I call the ones on the right RINO'S.......McCain being a prime example.........now name some on the left for me........plenty there and plenty on the right still there.
Happy to! I would take the following specific steps:

1. Short, strict term limits
2. Publicly-funded elections
3. Far stricter limits on lobbyist spending, all the way down to zero if needed
4. Balanced Budget Amendment

This combination of requirements would immediately change the landscape of private political spending.

There is no one on this board who offers more specific, independent ideas than me.

You're welcome to continue asking for examples.
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Term limits take away the voter's power. Also, I want experienced people making policy decisions and to mentor new members. Term limits have hurt California.

https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Time-to-end-term-limits-in-California-2389046.php

A balanced budget amendment would never work. Congress would just declare things outside the budgetary process or exclude military spending. We need accounting reform, not budget reform.

If I ran the world all but individual donations of no more than oh $500 to $1000 per candidate. No PACs, no committees, no special interest groups, only individuals.

There would be no political ads allowed on television. Candidates would each get a set number of time on public airwaves to plead their case.

Lobbyists would be banned from giving any money to anyone for anything. They lobby with the strength of their voting supporters, that's it.

I'd make Primaries happen on a rotating regional basis so nobody always gets to be first all the time and everybody else fights for the rest.

Redistricting would be removed as a function of the legislature.
Lol
Single term limits is the only way to start to drain the swamp, only fucking morons want the career politicians in there forever so shut the fuck up
Better to replace them with people who have no idea what they are doing
 
My youngest continues to ask questions about the ‘Parties” and their distinct differences. She’s gonna follow this thread...help me explain things to a 15 year old.
I’ll get things started.b
GOP:
“Let’s get the lower 50% whom contribute very little to do better and contribute more.”
DNC:
“Let’s get the the people already paying our way to pay more.”

GOP:
“Let’s lockdown our borders and focus on taking care of Americans.”
DNC:
“Let’s allow Mexicans, Central and South Americans in to mooch off taxpayers...WE’RE RICH!”

Explain this graph to your daughter
She will vote Democratic the rest of her life

U.S._Distribution_of_Wealth%2C_2007.jpg
 
My youngest continues to ask questions about the ‘Parties” and their distinct differences. She’s gonna follow this thread...help me explain things to a 15 year old.
I’ll get things started.b
GOP:
“Let’s get the lower 50% whom contribute very little to do better and contribute more.”
DNC:
“Let’s get the the people already paying our way to pay more.”

GOP:
“Let’s lockdown our borders and focus on taking care of Americans.”
DNC:
“Let’s allow Mexicans, Central and South Americans in to mooch off taxpayers...WE’RE RICH!”

Explain this graph to your daughter
She will vote Democratic the rest of her life

U.S._Distribution_of_Wealth%2C_2007.jpg

The wealth inequality in liberal California skews the numbers. OH SNAP! :auiqs.jpg:
 
GOP: Pledge unthinking loyalty to Donald Trump. He gives you absolution. Whatever is wrong in your life, there is someone else to blame. The media, the Deep State, the Democrats, immigrants, Muslims.

DNC: There are solutions if we discuss the problem, identify the cause and make the appropriate changes. Democracy works best when it works for everyone. Don't use oppression, suppression and discrimination as tools to benefit the few.
Alright, let's get to work. Let's discuss the problems and change. I am not opposed to changing so that all continue to have equal opportunities. I object when the fruits of my labors are confiscated in order to insure an equal outcome for those who are incapable or unwilling to invest the sweat equity needed to earn what I have earned.
Equal outcome is the phrase used by any opposition to equal opportunity. No one advocates equal outcome in a serious way.

If people are offered an affordable education, affordable healthcare, affordable housing it would make things just a little easier for them to determine their own outcomes.

Changes like free community college or trade schools will make opportunity at least visible. Universal healthcare like every other industrialized nation would make opportunity just a little easier to obtain. Affordable housing would bring dignity to families making opportunity just a little easier to realize.

Some folks call those solutions Socialism and shut down further debate. Some say those changes cost too much, yet when massive tax breaks for the wealthiest among us are proffered, we seem to be able to carve out the federal budget to make that happen.

Everyone pays taxes. I have no children, yet I am taxed to pay for schools. My home is on a secure area of town. The cops spend most of their time patrolling the poorer neighborhoods. Yet I pay taxes supporting the police. Are my taxes being unjustly confiscated to pay for services I do not use? Schools ensure the future and I, for one, have no problem supporting the future, as those who came before me supported my future.

Is it reasonable that a nation which touts being among the wealthiest, most secure and most free cannot afford to make life just a little easier for the vast majority of its citizens? In a time where wages are stagnant, the richest are getting richer by making nothing but more money on the money they already have, why should people worry about securing medical care, education and decent safe and affordable housing?

“If people are offered an affordable education, affordable healthcare, affordable housing it would make things just a little easier for them to determine their own outcomes.”

You keep parroting the same shit...your people, those bottom feeders and weirdos you champion DO get free K-12 education, FREE or low cost healthcare and housing subsidized by taxpayers...it’s the folks you hate, the middle class and upper middle class who gets fucked.
They’re good parents who want to keep their good, moral children away from your trash and illegals so they pay for private schools, they earn just enough NOT to qualify for ‘discounted’ healthcare and they’re forced out of low cost housing communities because they don’t want to coexist with your trash and illegals.
“Your people” ride free and are the cause for nearly EVERYTHING that negatively affects good Americans. You know this.
Try again.
Why are the middle class screwed by trickle down economists? When the top 10% get massive tax breaks, some in the neighborhood of $48,000 which would be a handsome annual income for those beleaguered middle class wage earners, how are the benefit supposed to trickle down to them? When has that voodoo economic theory ever actually worked?

Why must middle class wage earners have to hold down two or more jobs just to maintain middle class status?

Why do you denigrate the poor to make a point of supporting the rich? Most of the poor people in this nation are children. Why step on the necks of the poor so the rich can reach the bank counter?

The tax cuts DID in fact “trickle down” to the middle class...ask sealybobo and Dont Taz Me Bro
You and all your twisted buddies just can’t admit it...we understand why you have to continue lying.
Poor people shouldn’t have “poor children” and when they do we buy them Top Ramen and Cup-O-Noodles, weed and booze. Because we’re nice.
That tax break widened the gap between the rich and poor, caused inflation, added to the debt and only delivered a small temporary bump to the economy. Not worth it. I’d give my $3k back

70% of corporate tax break went to buying back stocks. Then ceo pay went up a lot. Are you factoring their raises in? They are technically employees too.

Anyone who didn’t get a raise or a noticeable tax break should vote democratic. Hell even I’m voting democratic. I just won’t suffer as much as most of you when trumpanomics turns into bushanomics
 
My youngest continues to ask questions about the ‘Parties” and their distinct differences. She’s gonna follow this thread...help me explain things to a 15 year old.
I’ll get things started.
GOP:
“Let’s get the lower 50% whom contribute very little to do better and contribute more.”
DNC:
“Let’s get the the people already paying our way to pay more.”

GOP:
“Let’s lockdown our borders and focus on taking care of Americans.”
DNC:
“Let’s allow Mexicans, Central and South Americans in to mooch off taxpayers...WE’RE RICH!”
Your poor daughter. Maybe you should ask your wife to do it.
 
My youngest continues to ask questions about the ‘Parties” and their distinct differences. She’s gonna follow this thread...help me explain things to a 15 year old.
I’ll get things started.
GOP:
“Let’s get the lower 50% whom contribute very little to do better and contribute more.”
DNC:
“Let’s get the the people already paying our way to pay more.”

GOP:
“Let’s lockdown our borders and focus on taking care of Americans.”
DNC:
“Let’s allow Mexicans, Central and South Americans in to mooch off taxpayers...WE’RE RICH!”
Your poor daughter. Maybe you should ask your wife to do it.

Thanks to the left who side with illegals BILLIONS of dollars are spent on illegals that otherwise could benefit Americans.
 
Another lie. I have never claimed to be moderate. I also address that lie, specifically, in the second line of my sig.

Those of us who can think for ourselves expose people like you for what you are, and I understand that would trigger you.

Not my problem. When you lie like this, it illustrates my point.

I do hope the young lady for whom this thread is intended is reading this.
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For you to refer to me as a liar in the same aspect of Jake the Fake is a Joke.........

I've seen your threads trying BS social experiments..........trying to act all righteous while YOU NEVER RENDER A REAL OPINION..........

Which is exactly why I place you in the NOSE BLEED SECTION of the bleachers..........

What is your position on career politicians who GET PAID by LOBBIES.........to do their bidding..............

NAME SOME.........SPECIFICS........I call the ones on the right RINO'S.......McCain being a prime example.........now name some on the left for me........plenty there and plenty on the right still there.
Happy to! I would take the following specific steps:

1. Short, strict term limits
2. Publicly-funded elections
3. Far stricter limits on lobbyist spending, all the way down to zero if needed
4. Balanced Budget Amendment

This combination of requirements would immediately change the landscape of private political spending.

There is no one on this board who offers more specific, independent ideas than me.

You're welcome to continue asking for examples.
.

Term limits take away the voter's power. Also, I want experienced people making policy decisions and to mentor new members. Term limits have hurt California.

https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Time-to-end-term-limits-in-California-2389046.php

A balanced budget amendment would never work. Congress would just declare things outside the budgetary process or exclude military spending. We need accounting reform, not budget reform.

If I ran the world all but individual donations of no more than oh $500 to $1000 per candidate. No PACs, no committees, no special interest groups, only individuals.

There would be no political ads allowed on television. Candidates would each get a set number of time on public airwaves to plead their case.

Lobbyists would be banned from giving any money to anyone for anything. They lobby with the strength of their voting supporters, that's it.

I'd make Primaries happen on a rotating regional basis so nobody always gets to be first all the time and everybody else fights for the rest.

Redistricting would be removed as a function of the legislature.
Lol
Single term limits is the only way to start to drain the swamp, only fucking morons want the career politicians in there forever so shut the fuck up



Then vote for someone else, Captain Tourette’s.
:CryingCow:
 
Dems: Healthcare is a basic human right
GOP: Let em die
Lol
Fuck face, I have no right to healthcare but I do have a right to earn my health care. So quit pushing that shit on us.


Maybe you missed the “Grownups” meeting, but 49 year old men don’t say “fuck face” in every other post. There, now you’re all caught up.
Lol
Progressives don’t understand anything else...
 
My youngest continues to ask questions about the ‘Parties” and their distinct differences. She’s gonna follow this thread...help me explain things to a 15 year old.
I’ll get things started.
GOP:
“Let’s get the lower 50% whom contribute very little to do better and contribute more.”
DNC:
“Let’s get the the people already paying our way to pay more.”

GOP:
“Let’s lockdown our borders and focus on taking care of Americans.”
DNC:
“Let’s allow Mexicans, Central and South Americans in to mooch off taxpayers...WE’RE RICH!”
Your poor daughter. Maybe you should ask your wife to do it.
Says a progressive control freak
 
Another lie. I have never claimed to be moderate. I also address that lie, specifically, in the second line of my sig.

Those of us who can think for ourselves expose people like you for what you are, and I understand that would trigger you.

Not my problem. When you lie like this, it illustrates my point.

I do hope the young lady for whom this thread is intended is reading this.
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For you to refer to me as a liar in the same aspect of Jake the Fake is a Joke.........

I've seen your threads trying BS social experiments..........trying to act all righteous while YOU NEVER RENDER A REAL OPINION..........

Which is exactly why I place you in the NOSE BLEED SECTION of the bleachers..........

What is your position on career politicians who GET PAID by LOBBIES.........to do their bidding..............

NAME SOME.........SPECIFICS........I call the ones on the right RINO'S.......McCain being a prime example.........now name some on the left for me........plenty there and plenty on the right still there.
Happy to! I would take the following specific steps:

1. Short, strict term limits
2. Publicly-funded elections
3. Far stricter limits on lobbyist spending, all the way down to zero if needed
4. Balanced Budget Amendment

This combination of requirements would immediately change the landscape of private political spending.

There is no one on this board who offers more specific, independent ideas than me.

You're welcome to continue asking for examples.
.

Term limits take away the voter's power. Also, I want experienced people making policy decisions and to mentor new members. Term limits have hurt California.

https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Time-to-end-term-limits-in-California-2389046.php

A balanced budget amendment would never work. Congress would just declare things outside the budgetary process or exclude military spending. We need accounting reform, not budget reform.

If I ran the world all but individual donations of no more than oh $500 to $1000 per candidate. No PACs, no committees, no special interest groups, only individuals.

There would be no political ads allowed on television. Candidates would each get a set number of time on public airwaves to plead their case.

Lobbyists would be banned from giving any money to anyone for anything. They lobby with the strength of their voting supporters, that's it.

I'd make Primaries happen on a rotating regional basis so nobody always gets to be first all the time and everybody else fights for the rest.

Redistricting would be removed as a function of the legislature.
Lol
Single term limits is the only way to start to drain the swamp, only fucking morons want the career politicians in there forever so shut the fuck up
Better to replace them with people who have no idea what they are doing
Lol
Politicians are much like professors… They all failed in the real world. They can all go pound sand
 
My youngest continues to ask questions about the ‘Parties” and their distinct differences. She’s gonna follow this thread...help me explain things to a 15 year old.
I’ll get things started.
GOP:
“Let’s get the lower 50% whom contribute very little to do better and contribute more.”
DNC:
“Let’s get the the people already paying our way to pay more.”

GOP:
“Let’s lockdown our borders and focus on taking care of Americans.”
DNC:
“Let’s allow Mexicans, Central and South Americans in to mooch off taxpayers...WE’RE RICH!”

Show her the platforms of each and let her make her own conclusions.

There’s a flaw in that methodology...like Liberals / Lefties children don’t have a firm grasp of the economic side of things...they translate the emotional feel good “stuff’ quite easily which works in the DNC’s favor. Children are naive and they fall for the feels...the problem is, if we all disregard the economics who’s gonna pay us to feel good?

I think you greatly underestimate kids.

Most of my son's classmates were opposed to a mandatory state rise in the minimum wage when they discussed it at fourteen. They all knew it would mean they would have a harder time competing for jobs, and there would be less jobs to compete for against grown adults.

It's simple supply and demand of jobs. You force employers to raise the wages, there will be less jobs. Kids aren't really as dumb as you might think.

I think you greatly overestimate your logic skills.
 
My youngest continues to ask questions about the ‘Parties” and their distinct differences. She’s gonna follow this thread...help me explain things to a 15 year old.
I’ll get things started.b
GOP:
“Let’s get the lower 50% whom contribute very little to do better and contribute more.”
DNC:
“Let’s get the the people already paying our way to pay more.”

GOP:
“Let’s lockdown our borders and focus on taking care of Americans.”
DNC:
“Let’s allow Mexicans, Central and South Americans in to mooch off taxpayers...WE’RE RICH!”

Explain this graph to your daughter
She will vote Democratic the rest of her life

U.S._Distribution_of_Wealth%2C_2007.jpg

Hold on a minute...don’t you beggars always champion Mexifornia for all its amazing policies and how they roll the red carpet out for bottom feeders? Is there another state where wealth inequality is more prevalent?
Silicon Valley and Hollywood kicks ass and dresses up the spreadsheets while the rest of the state lives like the filthy bottom feeders they are. I mean, I thought "you people" hated inequality....no? But, but, but....this is different...right?
The state ‘boasts’ the highest poverty rate in the nation...the lowest quality of life standard, the citizens live like filthy cockroaches, violent crime is on the rise and income inequality is off the charts. It’s total feast or famine in LibTardia....the land of puppets and puppet masters and you LOVE it.
 
My youngest continues to ask questions about the ‘Parties” and their distinct differences. She’s gonna follow this thread...help me explain things to a 15 year old.
I’ll get things started.
GOP:
“Let’s get the lower 50% whom contribute very little to do better and contribute more.”
DNC:
“Let’s get the the people already paying our way to pay more.”

GOP:
“Let’s lockdown our borders and focus on taking care of Americans.”
DNC:
“Let’s allow Mexicans, Central and South Americans in to mooch off taxpayers...WE’RE RICH!”
Your poor daughter. Maybe you should ask your wife to do it.

You wouldn't want that...My wife is far more hardcore than I am.
 
My youngest continues to ask questions about the ‘Parties” and their distinct differences. She’s gonna follow this thread...help me explain things to a 15 year old.
I’ll get things started.b
GOP:
“Let’s get the lower 50% whom contribute very little to do better and contribute more.”
DNC:
“Let’s get the the people already paying our way to pay more.”

GOP:
“Let’s lockdown our borders and focus on taking care of Americans.”
DNC:
“Let’s allow Mexicans, Central and South Americans in to mooch off taxpayers...WE’RE RICH!”

Explain this graph to your daughter
She will vote Democratic the rest of her life

U.S._Distribution_of_Wealth%2C_2007.jpg

Hold on a minute...don’t you beggars always champion Mexifornia for all its amazing policies and how they roll the red carpet out for bottom feeders? Is there another state where wealth inequality is more prevalent?
Silicon Valley and Hollywood kicks ass and dresses up the spreadsheets while the rest of the state lives like the filthy bottom feeders they are. I mean, I thought "you people" hated inequality....no? But, but, but....this is different...right?
The state ‘boasts’ the highest poverty rate in the nation...the lowest quality of life standard, the citizens live like filthy cockroaches, violent crime is on the rise and income inequality is off the charts. It’s total feast or famine in LibTardia....the land of puppets and puppet masters and you LOVE it.
As most people mature they tend to vote conservative/libertarian… Because all progressives are childish fucked in the head people
 
My youngest continues to ask questions about the ‘Parties” and their distinct differences. She’s gonna follow this thread...help me explain things to a 15 year old.
I’ll get things started.
GOP:
“Let’s get the lower 50% whom contribute very little to do better and contribute more.”
DNC:
“Let’s get the the people already paying our way to pay more.”

GOP:
“Let’s lockdown our borders and focus on taking care of Americans.”
DNC:
“Let’s allow Mexicans, Central and South Americans in to mooch off taxpayers...WE’RE RICH!”

So let’s tax the poor and middle class more so the people who don’t need a break can get more.

Not pay more. Get them to pay what they used to pay before the corporations took over our economy and made it so GE pays no taxes. Remember you cons admitted they don’t when obama was president so don’t deny it now. So why did trump give them a tax break? Why did GE get a tax break?

We should stop going after illegals. That’s like going after the drug users. You’ll never stop illegals until you start going after the employers. The first thing ice should ask is where do you work?

Notice illegals don’t go to Canada? No ones hiring. No wall necessary

Tell her!
 
The 1% argument of the left.........Card played for decades.............Tax the rich tax the rich tax rich........wage inequality..........wage inequality....

We want the minimum wage to create a living wage..............15 bucks an hour ..........rah rah rah.........

Yet they discard the damage done in lost jobs.
They discard the costs of goods and services paid by Americans and the poor they claim to champion.........

Minimum wage is for unskilled entry level employment.....and raising it across the board raises prices which hurt the poor the most...........then those in the middle class go where's my raise..............now the unskilled are making more but skilled labor's money doesn't go as far as it used to......as prices go up...............Furthering the divide that they claim to try and eliminate..............In places like California working men and women are living on the streets and in tents.........some making as much as 50 k a year.................Because in order to PAY FOR SOCIAL UTOPIA everything goes up in price.

Business passes on the tax increases on to the consumers...............they don't eat the new costs of doing business.......so WHO REALLY PAYS.........the very American people they claim to help...........Stupidity in motion......

Tax cuts that bring in more jobs.......hopefully higher paying jobs.............give more power to the worker when we have very low unemployment..........Forcing them to pay more to get workers...in a slow economy...workers have no leverage....and then companies can cut because they don't need as many workers........

The sword cuts both ways..................equilibrium is the key.............
$15 Minimum Wages Will Substantially Raise Prices

Advocates for a minimum wage hike often argue that their proposals will redistribute wealth from business owners to low-wage workers. However, most minimum-wage employees work for small firms with low profits. These small businesses can only afford higher wages by raising prices. Customers—not business owners—pay that cost. Accounting for higher prices shows that minimum wage increases transfer few resources to low-income families.
 
46% of Americans pay no federal income tax — here’s why

Approximately 80.6 million or 46% of Americans won’t pay any federal income tax, up from 76.4 million people before President Trump’s Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, according to data from the Tax Policy Center, a nonprofit joint venture by the Urban Institute and Brookings Institution, which are both Washington, D.C.-based think tanks. That’s below the 50% peak during the Great Recession. They still obviously pay sales tax, property taxes and other taxes.



Inconvenient truth for the left.........they yell and scream about tax cuts for the rich.........then say no cuts for the middle class as they ignore that nearly half the country pays no taxes at all. Not only that with Tax Credits..............people who pay no Federal tax actually get a check every year..........via tax credits.................which is a form of entitlement..........WELFARE.......

Now when you show them this...........they then usually play the CLASS WARFARE GAME.............you hate the poor......rah ..rah ....rah..............

Because 0% tax rates is already enough.............we shouldn't have to pay beyond 0%.........and that is HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR IN COSTS..........

Federal Debt is why I'm bringing this up.............MAYBE..........lol

Paying 0% in tax is already fair..............

Another issue here is that the poor don't create jobs...........It is Reality........which they try to deflect away..........just as they complain about Croney Capitalism issues that are by no means true Capitalism...........
 

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