PAPER: Global warming ended 15 years ago; 'mini-ice age' next...

[konradv]

it isn't a pollutant you idiot. without it plantlife would die. WE are all carbon based. Every lifeform.

What's next? Banning humans from the planet?

We'd also die without water, but all you have to do is go to NOLA to find out what happens when you get too much of a good thing. ARGUMENT FAIL!!!

You didn't prove your point. No one would call water a pollutant.

Anything can be a pollutant, if there's too much of it. You're just playing with words and pushing the LIE that all CO2 is to be banned.

 

[skookerasbil]

Oceans are cooling..............

Oceans are cooling according to NASA - Baltimore Weather | Examiner.com

And then the NASA release from yesterday.

 

[konradv]

Oceans are cooling..............

Oceans are cooling according to NASA - Baltimore Weather | Examiner.com

And then the NASA release from yesterday.

Melting glaciers cooling the oceans? You're talking effect when the real story is cause. How do you get around the known properties of CO2?

 

[paulitician]

Make way for the 'Global Cooling' Cult!! Hallelujah!!! Praise Al!

 

[skookerasbil]

Oceans are cooling..............

Oceans are cooling according to NASA - Baltimore Weather | Examiner.com

And then the NASA release from yesterday.

Melting glaciers cooling the oceans? You're talking effect when the real story is cause. How do you get around the known properties of CO2?

I will admit.......the k00ks are relentless. It matters not what a proponderance of evidence illustrates to all.........they just keep coming like the the nuts who walk around in mental wards insisting they are Jesus!!

But at the end of the day, reasonable people realize that the whole CO2 debate is an exercise pepetuated by the k00ks that is having no effect on what really matters: how the discussion effects public policy. The k00ks will continually talk about this stuff but its no different than those nutters who call in to those Coast to Coast overnight radio stations telling the world how they were abducted by aliens who scoped them in the pooper. It makes for some awesome entertainment........and kudos to them for having the balls to keep coming in here despite public self pwning.

Im just real happy carbon cap legislation is as dead as a doornail so my electric bill wont be doubling in two years. And the k00ks are pissed..........all their millions of posts on the internet havent added up to dick.

 

[konradv]

Make way for the 'Global Cooling' Cult!! Hallelujah!!! Praise Al!

Now that IS a joke! How can you expect cooling when we keep throwing on extra blankets in the form of CO2?

 

[paulitician]

The Earth warms, the Earth cools. The Socialist/Globalist nutters just need to accept that and get over it. No one cares about their scam anymore. Their 15 Minutes are now up.

 

[konradv]

The Earth warms, the Earth cools. The Socialist/Globalist nutters just need to accept that and get over it. No one cares about their scam anymore. Their 15 Minutes are now up.

You're just proving your only argument is political, having lost the scientific and logical arguments long ago. The public is fickle. If you think you can combat science forever, you obviously haven't learned anything from those who persecuted Galileo.

His little known middle name, Alberto! True story.

 

[skookerasbil]

yuk..........yuk...........

losing


Obama steers clear of climate change talk in speech - The Hill's E2-Wire




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[skookerasbil]

The Earth warms, the Earth cools. The Socialist/Globalist nutters just need to accept that and get over it. No one cares about their scam anymore. Their 15 Minutes are now up.

You're just proving your only argument is political, having lost the scientific and logical arguments long ago. The public is fickle. If you think you can combat science forever, you obviously haven't learned anything from those who persecuted Galileo.

His little known middle name, Alberto! True story.

Actually..........its economic dumbass.....................

UN Claims Going Green to Cost $76 Trillion



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[konradv]

The Earth warms, the Earth cools. The Socialist/Globalist nutters just need to accept that and get over it. No one cares about their scam anymore. Their 15 Minutes are now up.

You're just proving your only argument is political, having lost the scientific and logical arguments long ago. The public is fickle. If you think you can combat science forever, you obviously haven't learned anything from those who persecuted Galileo.

His little known middle name, Alberto! True story.

Spamming the same weather report to all threads, eh? Al was right to go a little overboard. When people keep sticking their heads in the sand, sometimes you have to kick them in the ass.

 

[paulitician]

The Socialist/Globalist 'Global Warming' fantasy is dying. And obviously they're not taking it well. Their hysterical fear mongering is now falling on deaf ears. The whole thing has become a Socialist/Globalist political agenda. Most common sense thinking people have now figured that out. Once the Socialist/Globalists started pushing it so hard, people knew what was going on. But time is now up on the 'Global Warming' scam, so don't let them scare you anymore. Just enjoy your beautiful weather. The World will not be ending anytime soon.

 

[konradv]

The Socialist/Globalist 'Global Warming' fantasy is dying. And obviously they're not taking it well. Their hysterical fear mongering is now falling on deaf ears. The whole thing has become a Socialist/Globalist political agenda. Most common sense thinking people have now figured that out. Once the Socialist/Globalists started pushing it so hard, people knew what was going on. But time is now up on the 'Global Warming' scam, so don't let them scare you anymore. Just enjoy your beautiful weather. The World will not be ending anytime soon.

How does this disprove AGW? All you've done is prove that the opponents have made it a political question and are totally hypocritical, when they steal PRIVATE emails discussing this politicization AND try to pin it on the victims!!!

 

[paulitician]

The Socialist/Globalist 'Global Warming' fantasy is dying. And obviously they're not taking it well. Their hysterical fear mongering is now falling on deaf ears. The whole thing has become a Socialist/Globalist political agenda. Most common sense thinking people have now figured that out. Once the Socialist/Globalists started pushing it so hard, people knew what was going on. But time is now up on the 'Global Warming' scam, so don't let them scare you anymore. Just enjoy your beautiful weather. The World will not be ending anytime soon.

How does this disprove AGW? All you've done is prove that the opponents have made it a political question and are totally hypocritical, when they steal PRIVATE emails discussing this politicization AND try to pin it on the victims!!!

Like i said, it's over. You can come out from under your bed now. That mean ole 'Global Warming Boogeyman' aint gonna get you. Just live for today and enjoy your day because you never know if it will be your last. There's no time to live in fear of the 'Global Warming Boogeyman.' Now Global Cooling on the other hand? But that's another story for another day. Get out and enjoy your sunshine. I know i will.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Forget global warming - it's Cycle 25 we need to worry about (and if NASA scientists are right the Thames will be freezing over again)

Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years

By David Rose


The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.

The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the Thames in the 17th Century.

Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.

A painting, dated 1684, by Abraham Hondius depicts one of many frost fairs on the River Thames during the mini ice age

Meanwhile, leading climate scientists yesterday told The Mail on Sunday that, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a ‘grand minimum’ in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food.

Solar output goes through 11-year cycles, with high numbers of sunspots seen at their peak.

We are now at what should be the peak of what scientists call ‘Cycle 24’ – which is why last week’s solar storm resulted in sightings of the aurora borealis further south than usual. But sunspot numbers are running at less than half those seen during cycle peaks in the 20th Century.

Analysis by experts at NASA and the University of Arizona – derived from magnetic-field measurements 120,000 miles beneath the sun’s surface – suggest that Cycle 25, whose peak is due in 2022, will be a great deal weaker still.


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According to a paper issued last week by the Met Office, there is a 92 per cent chance that both Cycle 25 and those taking place in the following decades will be as weak as, or weaker than, the ‘Dalton minimum’ of 1790 to 1830. In this period, named after the meteorologist John Dalton, average temperatures in parts of Europe fell by 2C.

However, it is also possible that the new solar energy slump could be as deep as the ‘Maunder minimum’ (after astronomer Edward Maunder), between 1645 and 1715 in the coldest part of the ‘Little Ice Age’ when, as well as the Thames frost fairs, the canals of Holland froze solid.

The world average temperature from 1997 to 2012

Yet, in its paper, the Met Office claimed that the consequences now would be negligible – because the impact of the sun on climate is far less than man-made carbon dioxide. Although the sun’s output is likely to decrease until 2100, ‘This would only cause a reduction in global temperatures of 0.08C.’ Peter Stott, one of the authors, said: ‘Our findings suggest a reduction of solar activity to levels not seen in hundreds of years would be insufficient to offset the dominant influence of greenhouse gases.’

These findings are fiercely disputed by other solar experts.

‘World temperatures may end up a lot cooler than now for 50 years or more,’ said Henrik Svensmark, director of the Center for Sun-Climate Research at Denmark’s National Space Institute. ‘It will take a long battle to convince some climate scientists that the sun is important. It may well be that the sun is going to demonstrate this on its own, without the need for their help.’

He pointed out that, in claiming the effect of the solar minimum would be small, the Met Office was relying on the same computer models that are being undermined by the current pause in global-warming.

CO2 levels have continued to rise without interruption and, in 2007, the Met Office claimed that global warming was about to ‘come roaring back’. It said that between 2004 and 2014 there would be an overall increase of 0.3C. In 2009, it predicted that at least three of the years 2009 to 2014 would break the previous temperature record set in 1998.

World solar activity cycles from 1749 to 2040

So far there is no sign of any of this happening. But yesterday a Met Office spokesman insisted its models were still valid.

‘The ten-year projection remains groundbreaking science. The period for the original projection is not over yet,’ he said.

Dr Nicola Scafetta, of Duke University in North Carolina, is the author of several papers that argue the Met Office climate models show there should have been ‘steady warming from 2000 until now’.

‘If temperatures continue to stay flat or start to cool again, the divergence between the models and recorded data will eventually become so great that the whole scientific community will question the current theories,’ he said.

He believes that as the Met Office model attaches much greater significance to CO2 than to the sun, it was bound to conclude that there would not be cooling. ‘The real issue is whether the model itself is accurate,’ Dr Scafetta said. Meanwhile, one of America’s most eminent climate experts, Professor Judith Curry of the Georgia Institute of Technology, said she found the Met Office’s confident prediction of a ‘negligible’ impact difficult to understand.

‘The responsible thing to do would be to accept the fact that the models may have severe shortcomings when it comes to the influence of the sun,’ said Professor Curry. As for the warming pause, she said that many scientists ‘are not surprised’.

Four hundred years of sunspot observations

She argued it is becoming evident that factors other than CO2 play an important role in rising or falling warmth, such as the 60-year water temperature cycles in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans.

‘They have insufficiently been appreciated in terms of global climate,’ said Prof Curry. When both oceans were cold in the past, such as from 1940 to 1970, the climate cooled. The Pacific cycle ‘flipped’ back from warm to cold mode in 2008 and the Atlantic is also thought likely to flip in the next few years .

Pal Brekke, senior adviser at the Norwegian Space Centre, said some scientists found the importance of water cycles difficult to accept, because doing so means admitting that the oceans – not CO2 – caused much of the global warming between 1970 and 1997.

The same goes for the impact of the sun – which was highly active for much of the 20th Century.

‘Nature is about to carry out a very interesting experiment,’ he said. ‘Ten or 15 years from now, we will be able to determine much better whether the warming of the late 20th Century really was caused by man-made CO2, or by natural variability.’

Meanwhile, since the end of last year, world temperatures have fallen by more than half a degree, as the cold ‘La Nina’ effect has re-emerged in the South Pacific.

‘We’re now well into the second decade of the pause,’ said Benny Peiser, director of the Global Warming Policy Foundation. ‘If we don’t see convincing evidence of global warming by 2015, it will start to become clear whether the models are bunk. And, if they are, the implications for some scientists could be very serious.’

No link to paper.

Or even the above article.



The OP is thus unverifiable.

 

[konradv]

The Socialist/Globalist 'Global Warming' fantasy is dying. And obviously they're not taking it well. Their hysterical fear mongering is now falling on deaf ears. The whole thing has become a Socialist/Globalist political agenda. Most common sense thinking people have now figured that out. Once the Socialist/Globalists started pushing it so hard, people knew what was going on. But time is now up on the 'Global Warming' scam, so don't let them scare you anymore. Just enjoy your beautiful weather. The World will not be ending anytime soon.

How does this disprove AGW? All you've done is prove that the opponents have made it a political question and are totally hypocritical, when they steal PRIVATE emails discussing this politicization AND try to pin it on the victims!!!

Like i said, it's over. You can come out from under your bed now. That mean ole 'Global Warming Boogeyman' aint gonna get you. Just live for today and enjoy your day because you never know if it will be your last. There's no time to live in fear of the 'Global Warming Boogeyman.' Now Global Cooling on the other hand? But that's another story for another day. Get out and enjoy your sunshine. I know i will.

Like I said, it's ALL poitical. The deniers never cared about the science. Have you noticed that they either don't address it, like the above, or post long articles with tons of temp data intended more to confuse than elucidate. I don't really care if temps can't be proven to have already risen. The simple logic of the situation, demands that eventually it will. Want to address the Conservation of Energy question, Paulitician? PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

 

[bripat9643]

How does this disprove AGW? All you've done is prove that the opponents have made it a political question and are totally hypocritical, when they steal PRIVATE emails discussing this politicization AND try to pin it on the victims!!!

They weren't "private emails." They are public property. Anything done on a government computer belongs to the public. Furthermore, the FOIA requires the government to turn over such information to the public.

 

[paulitician]

Careful, dat Global Warming Boogeyman gon get ya. Seriously people, stop living in fear. Get out and enjoy life. Beautiful sunny day here for me. I love it. I'm gonna enjoy every minute of it.

 

[konradv]

How does this disprove AGW? All you've done is prove that the opponents have made it a political question and are totally hypocritical, when they steal PRIVATE emails discussing this politicization AND try to pin it on the victims!!!

They weren't "private emails." They are public property. Anything done on a government computer belongs to the public. Furthermore, the FOIA requires the government to turn over such information to the public.

So, they thought it was alright to STEAL them without authorization?

 

[konradv]

How does this disprove AGW? All you've done is prove that the opponents have made it a political question and are totally hypocritical, when they steal PRIVATE emails discussing this politicization AND try to pin it on the victims!!!

Like i said, it's over. You can come out from under your bed now. That mean ole 'Global Warming Boogeyman' aint gonna get you. Just live for today and enjoy your day because you never know if it will be your last. There's no time to live in fear of the 'Global Warming Boogeyman.' Now Global Cooling on the other hand? But that's another story for another day. Get out and enjoy your sunshine. I know i will.

Like I said, it's ALL poitical. The deniers never cared about the science. Have you noticed that they either don't address it, like the above, or post long articles with tons of temp data intended more to confuse than elucidate. I don't really care if temps can't be proven to have already risen. The simple logic of the situation, demands that eventually it will. Want to address the Conservation of Energy question, Paulitician? PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

Can't answer the question, eh? BIG SURPRISE!!!