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Just to set the term "Zionists".You mean Zionists?
There is a little confusion so I assumed so, My bad, about Zionism:This is what I mean when I say Zionist:
]Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It is a legit term and far more accurate identification of the historic ideology and movement than "Jews" or "Israelis."
Jews aren't responsible for the acts of the Zionist minority. Even Israelis can't be blamed for much of what Zionism is doing/has done without their knowledge or consent.
What you mean 'They'? not all Jewish are Zionists.Yes, but they are all Zionist.
And I like the accuracy of the term.
P.s. I answered the question few replays above.
This is what I mean when I say Zionist:
Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It is a legit term and far more accurate identification of the historic ideology and movement than "Jews" or "Israelis."
Jews aren't responsible for the acts of the Zionist minority. Even Israelis can't be blamed for much of what Zionism is doing/has done without their knowledge or consent.
Yes, Palestinians most definitely "owned" the land as surely as the indigenous black population "owned" South Africa. And this is going to end about like that ended, too. Palestinians are overwhelming NOT bedouin, and have lived on that land for millenia.Okie I've seen the entire video and here what isn't accurate about it:
1."Over the years wars were fought with Israel but Israel won taking control of Palestinian land" - Palestinian never owned the land of Israel and basically are nomads, they've refused to accept any land from the U.N. and never declared as a state.
And when exactly was the peace you are referring to? The Zionist poster I saw said "Israel: 65 years and never a day of peace." Was that just because they wanted money?2."There wasn't a peace since.." - Israel returned conquered Sinai to Egypt and signed a peace agreement, Israel also made peace with Jordan and now in a close security cooperation and mutual share of the Kineret (Israel main source of water), Israel and South Lebanon Army used to work together fighting Terrorists, Lebanon broke it nesting Hezbollah and Iranian organizations which led to war eventually.
Wow, I would LOVE to see a source for that. Non-Jewish settlers? What would be the point. Seriously, if you have a source for any of the above groups constituting a portion of settlers please let me know.3. "The Settlements are just 10% of the settlers but taking most of the land" - the 10% is only the Jewish settlers, along with Baduie, Samertains, Duruze, Serkasians, and believe it or not, Israeli Arabs.
Oh, but they DO pay taxes. Remember that tax revolt a few years back? It resulted in the Israeli military bursting into houses and confiscating multiple millions of dollars of property, watches wedding rings, etc. You didn't hear about that? Yes, the people of the West Bank do have to pay taxes. And the only definition by which the West Bankers are illegally there would be the Zionist, which refuses to issue building permits to Arabs, forcing them to build without permits, or live in the open air. Then of course the buildings are demolished without due process, and they have to rebuild them.4."..Taking control as much land and water as possible.." - None of any Arab settlements (Israeli Arab/Palestinians) are legal therefore they don't pay any taxes, so why would they get water/electricity for free? makes no sense, also note that FEW Israeli Jewish settlements are legal.
The settlements are 100% illegal under international law, never saw anyone say otherwise. Even the U.S. says they are illegal under international law and condemns them.5."The settlements are illegal by international law" - Big mistake, the legality of the settlements in the West Bank are legal by international law and under mostly European pressure Israel sometimes freeze or evacuate settlements.
Yes, settlements are armed to the teeth and always have been, which of course leads to a lot of violence.6."Some settlements have a lot of guns" - Just a small note about the guns, Google "Itamar Massacre".
Israel does NOT provide basic services. They are taking the ground water, which obviously belongs to Palestinians, and diverting the rivers and streams to provide water to their own settlers. Then they divert the settlements raw sewage down onto Palestinian villages below.7.About the thing with the water, that is also a big issue, by international law Israel is forced to provide basic human needs to the West Bank citizens, Israel does it, I don't see how a successful high tech man like pre-politics Naftali Bennet for example won't afford himself a pool in his house, that's ridiculous.
"Critical," huh? I am going to post a recent Israeli video which shows clearly that the checkpoints are about messing with Palestinians and trying to drive them out.8.I Got lazy quoting that bullshit, the checkpoints are critical for Israel security as they provide control over terrorists, firearms, drugs, stolen goods, and everything else, 20 minutes driving from Jerusalem you must set some kind of security, and this is fully legal by international law(also forced) and just another note that Palestinians get working/visiting/praying permits unless they are related to terrorists.
No, I will stand by it as accurate, Israel has become a cruel, sick monster.Anyway I don't want to go on with this, a one sided video like this can be made in one hour but it set so many questions and information that pretty much present the other side as a cruel sick monster which you won't even like to ask.
This kind of Science-Fiction is played in kindergartens in Gaza and breeds hatred, its great you are open minded but try to judge subjectively and not objectively.
Never said all Jews are Z's. That is manifestly NOT the case.
See many of my earlier posts which feature LOTS of anti-Zionist Jews.
Yes, but they are all Zionist.
And I like the accuracy of the term.
Daniyel: welcome to the forum!
Since you're new, I want to warn you about the poster amity1844.
She is a lying anti Semitic propaganda spewing Palestinian shill.
She will constantly lie and lie and try to brainwash you with her distortion of history..
Never said all Jews are Z's. That is manifestly NOT the case.
See many of my earlier posts which feature LOTS of anti-Zionist Jews.
"Lots of" is still only some tens of thousands, out of 14 million. And you also grossly misrepresented those extremist fundamentalist 'Jews' as "Orthodox" - from which they had been ejected some three hundred years ago. You were corrected on that misrepresentation many times, but ignored it as well.
Each of those 'haredi' groups is almost like its own religion - just as SDA's and JW's will tell you that they are not 'Christians' OR that they are 'the faithful remnant', so it is with most of the haredim. And some of them are very like a cult - like the followers of Arnold Murray or Howard Camping.....
If the homeland was in uninhabited territory, fine.Yes, but they are all Zionist.
And I like the accuracy of the term.
Naaaah, you just like to use it to denigrate, dehumanize, delegitimate, and demonize about 95% of the Jewish People and anyone who agrees that the Jews ALSO should get to live in their homeland (which is all that 'Zionism' actually means)
I don't remember saying anything negative about Hadassah except that it was Zionist. I do applaud their very unusual efforts for non-Jews, including even Palestinians. Lord knows that spirit is a rarity among Zionists. But they are still a Zionist organization, in league with the bad guys, supporting an entity that denies even basic human and civic rights to an entire nation. If they can see through their Zionism, I'll be all for them. But unfortunately in the last analysis they are just another Zionist organization and being comparatively compassionate toward individual Palestinians doesn't change their role in maintaining the specifically Jewish character of the state of Israel in contravention of the rights of another nation.The way you use it is closely akin to 'Tail Gunner Joe' talking about Communism. Even Hadassah did not escape your condemnation, simply for being a 'Zionist' organization - although you knew next to nothing of Hadassah's century of effort to build up the land and ALL the people within it.
Never said all Jews are Z's. That is manifestly NOT the case.
See many of my earlier posts which feature LOTS of anti-Zionist Jews.
"Lots of" is still only some tens of thousands, out of 14 million. And you also grossly misrepresented those extremist fundamentalist 'Jews' as "Orthodox" - from which they had been ejected some three hundred years ago. You were corrected on that misrepresentation many times, but ignored it as well.
Each of those 'haredi' groups is almost like its own religion - just as SDA's and JW's will tell you that they are not 'Christians' OR that they are 'the faithful remnant', so it is with most of the haredim. And some of them are very like a cult - like the followers of Arnold Murray or Howard Camping.....
What about Ilan Pappe, Breaking the Silence, and the others?