Pain lingers for lesbian couple denied in Sweet Cakes case

[JoeB131]

Rich drug addicts don't commit crimes.
In modern day, only the Phillipines and China treats drug addicts appropriately.

Right. YOu seem awfully fucking murderous for a "CHristian". Just saying.

Who would Jesus Murder?

 

[Katzndogz]

Rich drug addicts don't commit crimes.
In modern day, only the Phillipines and China treats drug addicts appropriately.

Right. YOu seem awfully fucking murderous for a "CHristian". Just saying.

Who would Jesus Murder?

I don't justify myself with Christianity, scripture or the Bible. Try again.

 

[JoeB131]

I don't justify myself with Christianity, scripture or the Bible. Try again.

Well, it's nice to see you are honest about your homophobia... again, you need to get over that "one time in college".

 

[martybegan]

There's that thought crime crap coming out of you again.

And your white guilt/white privilege shit coming out as well.

Again, the other drunk loser didn't have a record.

So what they did wasn't a serious crime, then? The you arne't punishing the act, you are punishing the behavior.

Awesome. So are we when we nail homophobes to the wall.

are you typing while drinking?

Are you trying to say not baking a cake is a "serious crime"?

Yes, taking a slice of pizza is not in and of itself a serious crime, but the 3 strikes law is there to punish recidivism, not the individual crimes themselves.

 

[martybegan]

while at the same time you want every american disarmed?

Fuck off.

Again amazing the Japanese are disarmed and they only lock up 69,000 criminals...

Gee, what are they doing right that we are doing wrong? Japanese women can walk downtown in Tokyo without fear of being assaulted. Can we say the same of New York or Chicago? Of course not.

So if Guns and Prisons are supposed to make us safer, why are you soooooo scared?

I have an easy solution for solving the problem of locking people up and people being locked up. Quit committing crimes.

How about punishing everyone the same. Tyrone the Street kid gets prison and Rush Limbaugh gets Rehab... how does that work?

Japan is a unique culture, and they have other issues besides crime, like suicide, that are also part of said culture.

And in Japan and other Asian countries they have to designate special train cars for women only, because males sometimes think they are entitled to cheap feel when the train is crowded, so your example is a poor one.

And in 99% of NYC during the day, and 85% of it at night, you have zero issues, unless you decide to walk down a blind alley in a crappy neighborhood (and there are less and less of those).

Get rid of people's guns and open up all the prisons and it would be worse that it is now, but you know that, hack.

 

[JoeB131]

are you typing while drinking?

Are you trying to say not baking a cake is a "serious crime"?

I'm saying denying a person service based on their sexual orientation IS a crime in the State of Oregon. Obviously. A crime that gets you fined in six figures.

And, yes, I think being a hateful homophobe is a lot worse than stealing a slice of pizza from some ungrateful yuppie larva...

Yes, taking a slice of pizza is not in and of itself a serious crime, but the 3 strikes law is there to punish recidivism, not the individual crimes themselves.

It's there to punish poor people for being poor. Again, it's completely fucked up that we lock up 2 million people and create a permanent penal class in this country. But someone is making shitloads of money off of this... so that makes it okay.

So let's make sure we are on the same page here, buddy. We both think that it's okay to use the force of government to punish behavior we don't like, even if the actual offense isn't that big of a deal in the cosmic scheme of things.

The Lesbos could have gotten a cake somewhere else. The Kids could have gotten another pizza.

Williams will never swipe another slice of pizza.
The Wifebeater will never deny gay people service again.

Problem solved.

 

[JoeB131]

Japan is a unique culture, and they have other issues besides crime, like suicide, that are also part of said culture.

And in Japan and other Asian countries they have to designate special train cars for women only, because males sometimes think they are entitled to cheap feel when the train is crowded, so your example is a poor one.

Yup, apparently Japanese are aliens from another planet. Clearly, we have nothing to learn from them as they can have a civil society without guns and prisons...

And in 99% of NYC during the day, and 85% of it at night, you have zero issues, unless you decide to walk down a blind alley in a crappy neighborhood (and there are less and less of those).

Get rid of people's guns and open up all the prisons and it would be worse that it is now, but you know that, hack.

Yes. White people might actually be forced to confront issues like racism and poverty, instead of cowering in their homes clinging to their guns and their bibles... and we can't have that.

 

[martybegan]

are you typing while drinking?

Are you trying to say not baking a cake is a "serious crime"?

I'm saying denying a person service based on their sexual orientation IS a crime in the State of Oregon. Obviously. A crime that gets you fined in six figures.

And, yes, I think being a hateful homophobe is a lot worse than stealing a slice of pizza from some ungrateful yuppie larva...

Yes, taking a slice of pizza is not in and of itself a serious crime, but the 3 strikes law is there to punish recidivism, not the individual crimes themselves.

It's there to punish poor people for being poor. Again, it's completely fucked up that we lock up 2 million people and create a permanent penal class in this country. But someone is making shitloads of money off of this... so that makes it okay.

So let's make sure we are on the same page here, buddy. We both think that it's okay to use the force of government to punish behavior we don't like, even if the actual offense isn't that big of a deal in the cosmic scheme of things.

The Lesbos could have gotten a cake somewhere else. The Kids could have gotten another pizza.

Williams will never swipe another slice of pizza.
The Wifebeater will never deny gay people service again.

Problem solved.

Actually its not a crime, its a civil violation, but that doesn't make it any less idiotic when it comes to contracted non essential services.

And "yuppie larva?" you really are a hateful twat.

its OK to use government force when there is actual harm. If the Kleins had gone to the wedding and swiped the cake, you would have more of a standing for the comparison.

 

[martybegan]

Japan is a unique culture, and they have other issues besides crime, like suicide, that are also part of said culture.

And in Japan and other Asian countries they have to designate special train cars for women only, because males sometimes think they are entitled to cheap feel when the train is crowded, so your example is a poor one.

Yup, apparently Japanese are aliens from another planet. Clearly, we have nothing to learn from them as they can have a civil society without guns and prisons...

And in 99% of NYC during the day, and 85% of it at night, you have zero issues, unless you decide to walk down a blind alley in a crappy neighborhood (and there are less and less of those).

Get rid of people's guns and open up all the prisons and it would be worse that it is now, but you know that, hack.

Yes. White people might actually be forced to confront issues like racism and poverty, instead of cowering in their homes clinging to their guns and their bibles... and we can't have that.

They are a very monolithic and regimented culture. That has impact on crime rates, and other things.

And by confront "racism and poverty" you mean do more of the same shit progressives have being doing
(that isn't working) for the past 4 decades.

Right.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually its not a crime, its a civil violation, but that doesn't make it any less idiotic when it comes to contracted non essential services.

In your opinion. I consider Homophobia to be a social evil that needs to be swatted down.

We wouldn't have this conversation if the Cyer-Bowmans were black and Mr. Wifebeater said "We don't serve Ni66ers here."

And "yuppie larva?" you really are a hateful twat.

I keep forgetting you have no sense of humor.

its OK to use government force when there is actual harm. If the Kleins had gone to the wedding and swiped the cake, you would have more of a standing for the comparison.

Guy, it was just a fucking slice of pizza. It's not like they didn't have the rest of the pizza.

They are a very monolithic and regimented culture. That has impact on crime rates, and other things.

What the Japanese have is a strong social safety net and a cultural emphasis on making sure everyone has a renumerative job. Unemployment never gets above five percent in Japan, because the culture won't tolerate it.

And by confront "racism and poverty" you mean do more of the same shit progressives have being doing
(that isn't working) for the past 4 decades.

The last four decades we've had Republicans in charge, for the most part. Not sure where you've been.

We've also had the Prison population balloon from less than half a million in 1976 to almost 2 mllion now, mostly thanks to Nancy's War On Drugs.

 

[martybegan]

Actually its not a crime, its a civil violation, but that doesn't make it any less idiotic when it comes to contracted non essential services.

In your opinion. I consider Homophobia to be a social evil that needs to be swatted down.

We wouldn't have this conversation if the Cyer-Bowmans were black and Mr. Wifebeater said "We don't serve Ni66ers here."

And "yuppie larva?" you really are a hateful twat.

I keep forgetting you have no sense of humor.

its OK to use government force when there is actual harm. If the Kleins had gone to the wedding and swiped the cake, you would have more of a standing for the comparison.

Guy, it was just a fucking slice of pizza. It's not like they didn't have the rest of the pizza.

They are a very monolithic and regimented culture. That has impact on crime rates, and other things.

What the Japanese have is a strong social safety net and a cultural emphasis on making sure everyone has a renumerative job. Unemployment never gets above five percent in Japan, because the culture won't tolerate it.

And by confront "racism and poverty" you mean do more of the same shit progressives have being doing
(that isn't working) for the past 4 decades.

The last four decades we've had Republicans in charge, for the most part. Not sure where you've been.

We've also had the Prison population balloon from less than half a million in 1976 to almost 2 mllion now, mostly thanks to Nancy's War On Drugs.

Again, thoughtcrime, you fascist twat. People thinking homosexuality is a sin is not going to bring this country down, statist fascists like you, however, might be able to pull it off.

and do you have proof he said all those things you say he did?

The last 4 decades have had progressives in charge of the cities with the most issues, regardless of what party label they have. and at the fed level we have had less than stellar conservatives, who are marginally better then democrats.

 

[JoeB131]

Again, thoughtcrime, you fascist twat. People thinking homosexuality is a sin is not going to bring this country down, statist fascists like you, however, might be able to pull it off.

Actually, you homophobes have already brought the country down. We could have PURGED the theft of George W> Bush in 2004, but he promised you homophobes he'd stop the gays from getting married.

So now, I have no problem marching the Kliens down the public square with signs around their necks... None whatsoever.

 

[martybegan]

Again, thoughtcrime, you fascist twat. People thinking homosexuality is a sin is not going to bring this country down, statist fascists like you, however, might be able to pull it off.

Actually, you homophobes have already brought the country down. We could have PURGED the theft of George W> Bush in 2004, but he promised you homophobes he'd stop the gays from getting married.

So now, I have no problem marching the Kliens down the public square with signs around their necks... None whatsoever.

Bullshit. And more typical progressive talking points.

have you ever had an original thought?

And again, fascist twat.

 

[JoeB131]

Bullshit. And more typical progressive talking points.

have you ever had an original thought?

And again, fascist twat.

Avoidng the topic.

Okay, let's look at that. In 2004, George W. Bush was well on his way of getting voted out of the office he STOLE in 2000. Then he promised you homophobes up and down that he'd put an amendment in the Constitution to define marriage as one man and one woman. Meanwhile GOP State organizations put similiar things on the ballot.

Except when he won, he didn't do any of those things. Instead he tried to privatize social security, fucked up the response to Katrina, fumbled the Iraq War and crashed the economy.
And the gays can get married now, anyway. Good move, Homophobes... you didn't get what you wanted, but you managed to screw it up for the rest of us.

 

[martybegan]

Bullshit. And more typical progressive talking points.

have you ever had an original thought?

And again, fascist twat.

Avoidng the topic.

Okay, let's look at that. In 2004, George W. Bush was well on his way of getting voted out of the office he STOLE in 2000. Then he promised you homophobes up and down that he'd put an amendment in the Constitution to define marriage as one man and one woman. Meanwhile GOP State organizations put similiar things on the ballot.

Except when he won, he didn't do any of those things. Instead he tried to privatize social security, fucked up the response to Katrina, fumbled the Iraq War and crashed the economy.
And the gays can get married now, anyway. Good move, Homophobes... you didn't get what you wanted, but you managed to screw it up for the rest of us.

he didn't "steal" the election. He won according to the rules. Further checks showed he won florida, and the election. besides blame gun control for Gore losing Tennessee.

And he didn't win just for that, your candidate in 2004 was a wishy washy "I have a plan" zero.

 

[JoeB131]

he didn't "steal" the election. He won according to the rules. Further checks showed he won florida, and the election. besides blame gun control for Gore losing Tennessee.

And he didn't win just for that, your candidate in 2004 was a wishy washy "I have a plan" zero.

Al Gore got more votes. Bush stole the election.

And, yes, if not for the homophobes, wed have gotten rid of that clown.

 

[StLucieBengal]

he didn't "steal" the election. He won according to the rules. Further checks showed he won florida, and the election. besides blame gun control for Gore losing Tennessee.

And he didn't win just for that, your candidate in 2004 was a wishy washy "I have a plan" zero.

Al Gore got more votes. Bush stole the election.

And, yes, if not for the homophobes, wed have gotten rid of that clown.

If we had a democracy then this argument would work. Too bad for you we have a constitutional republic. So the popular vote is irrelevant.

And I somehow doubt you would be ok if the popular vote won out on all matters throughout the history of this country and even today.

 

[martybegan]

he didn't "steal" the election. He won according to the rules. Further checks showed he won florida, and the election. besides blame gun control for Gore losing Tennessee.

And he didn't win just for that, your candidate in 2004 was a wishy washy "I have a plan" zero.

Al Gore got more votes. Bush stole the election.

And, yes, if not for the homophobes, wed have gotten rid of that clown.

That is not how our system works. You are one of those idiots applying Star Wars Rules to a Star Trek universe.

Once again, like progressives everywhere, you equate disagreement with a ist,ism, or obia. It's stupid.

 

[martybegan]

he didn't "steal" the election. He won according to the rules. Further checks showed he won florida, and the election. besides blame gun control for Gore losing Tennessee.

And he didn't win just for that, your candidate in 2004 was a wishy washy "I have a plan" zero.

Al Gore got more votes. Bush stole the election.

And, yes, if not for the homophobes, wed have gotten rid of that clown.

If we had a democracy then this argument would work. Too bad for you we have a constitutional republic. So the popular vote is irrelevant.

And I somehow doubt you would be ok if the popular vote won out on all matters throughout the history of this country and even today.

Now JoeB will go on a rant about the Founding Fathers being slave owning rapists, and the document is worthless except when it protects what HE agrees with (even if it isn't in the document, but made up by some dipshit court).

 

[Katzndogz]

Again, thoughtcrime, you fascist twat. People thinking homosexuality is a sin is not going to bring this country down, statist fascists like you, however, might be able to pull it off.

Actually, you homophobes have already brought the country down. We could have PURGED the theft of George W> Bush in 2004, but he promised you homophobes he'd stop the gays from getting married.

So now, I have no problem marching the Kliens down the public square with signs around their necks... None whatsoever.

No problem with tossing the pervs off some roof. None whatsoever.