Pacifism and the Left

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    One of my Left-wing buddies posted this in a recent thread:
    "War and violence is fine with wingnuts so long as they don't have to fight it. Killing is fine and justified because you are scared. Hypocrite thy name is right wing conservative apologist for murder and death."

    I thought the idea worthy of a deeper analysis....


    1. Following WWI, and reaching an apex during the Vietnam War, the Left has generally been hostile to anything having to do with war, often embracing pacifism. The bumper-sticker “War is Not the Answer” expresses a nearly universal Left-wing view.

    a. The Left believes that just about every conflict can be settled through negotiations, that war solves nothing, and that American expenditures on defense are merely a sign of militarism, imperialism, and the insatiable appetite of the “military-industrial complex.”

    b. In fact, violence is deemed immoral, and the use of the military considered nefarious, unless it is used as boy scouts would be.

    c. Many Leftists oppose children viewing cartoons, like Bugs Bunny, that depict a stylized violence, not to mention playing with toy guns, war scenarios, or even drawing stick figures portraying violence.



    2. A central theme of Leftism is pacifism, largely because no welfare state can afford a strong military. Europeans came to rely on America to fight the world’s evils and even to defend their countries. This means that ‘equality’ trumps morality.

    a. That is why Liberal elites are so confused: they venerate a Cuban tyranny with its egalitarian society over a free, decent, and prosperous America that has greater inequality of material wealth.

    b. The Right regards pacifism as an accessory to evil.


    3. Everything associated with the military is held in disrepute: nationalism, a strong military, honoring the military, referring to military dead as heroes. And even referring to anything as “evil.”

    a. Since the end of WWII, the Left has opposed fighting almost any evil. Even when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, the Left opposed military intervention. What could be more moral than opposing Saddam’s take-over of a nation, and considering the strategic importance of the area, and even the fact that the UN supported the use of the military…still, two-thirds of the House Democrats, and 46 of 56 Democrat Senators voted against the war.

    b. Pacifism, the antithesis of nationalism, is a major attraction of both the United Nations and the World Court, both venerated by the Left. These vaunted institutions are opposed to all nationalism, except, of course, Palestinian.



    4. The generalization of pacifism leads to the Left’s view of nationalism, and then to contempt for the idea of American exceptionalism, of an America which is prepared to use force to fight what it deems as evil, an affirmation of traditional Judeo-Christian values which include support for the death penalty.



    5. What is, then, the tenet that separates the Left from the Right, the Liberal from the conservative? It is simply this: by nature, is man basically good? The Leftist subscribes to the idea that a) man is, by his nature, basically good; b) the ‘Nobel Savage’ of Rousseau; c) given the correct government and laws, society can establish Utopia here, on this Earth, and now. Based on this doctrine, pacifism is logical. As is nuclear disarmament.

    a. A distinguishing characteristic of Liberals and Leftists is an aversion to recognizing or acknowledging evil and its permutations, i.e., communism. On another level, it explains the Left’s dislike for capitalism, a system which produces winners and losers, a painful fact that the Left would rather not see.

    b. Pacifism is the proclivity to appease evil and ignore the sad facts of life. It is a form of wishful thinking.



    6. The Right understands that man’s nature, while not inherently evil, is not good, in the sense of altruistic. Personal aggrandizement is a very strong element in human nature, and, therefore, there must be checks and balances, and these may include force, and, in fact, wars.

    a. The written laws and rules are codifications of the unwritten ones worked out over millennia as the result of human interactions and experience.

    b. The Bible cites God Himself as declaring that the “will of man’s heart is evil from his youth” (Genesis 8:21).
    Largely covered in "Still The Best Hope," Prager
     
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    Talk about a load of nonsense. While you have pacifism elements on the left, you also have them on the right (see Robert Taft historically, or Ron Paul today). I can't really think of any prominent politicians on the left today who are pacifists (see Obama's frequent references to Niebuhr).

    I'd also question the claim that "The Right understands that man’s nature, while not inherently evil, is not good". That's true in the right's approach to foreign policy, but it's not even remotely true to most other policy areas. You have to believe that man is inherently good to believe unregulated markets will balance themselves.
     
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    Maybe this guy no longer gets lumped with "the left"?

     
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    "The Right understands that man’s nature, while not inherently evil, is not good"


    WOW

    The American people are not good and border on evil.


    That is what your world view is?

    No wonder your party is dying
     
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    Yeah right, the left embraces violence, anarchy and domestic terrorism (among other things like shitting in the streets)..

    The SDS and Weathermen are a perfect example of their activism - hell look at OWS... Do they look like pacifists???

    The left are the opposite of everything they claim they are.

    IMO, they're violent and ignorant National Socialists.

    Progressives don't even know what they want - all they know is they hate what they have. They're ungrateful little shits...
     
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    OWS is as pacifist as the tea party is.
     
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    well apperently according to the OP we are all borderline evil
     
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    To see someone state right out loud that they think the American people are NOT GOOD and borderline evil is really wild.


    The idiot OP thinks this is smart talk.

    Look what your right wing masters have fooled you into becoming
     
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    Yes, and the right are all like neo Nazis. See what it is like when you point to a few extremists?
     
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    I thought she thought we're pure evil. I hate getting downgraded. This is worse than flying coach.
     

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