Overwhelming evidence that homosexualityy is *NOT* fixed

[Bass v 2.0]

http://www.mygenes.co.nz/Ch12.pdf





Dr Robert Spitzer, a prime mover in the 1973 decision to remove SSA from the Diagnostic Manuals as a mental illness, nearly 30 years later interviewed 200 people who claimed they had changed, and he concluded that real and extensive change had occurred in many cases. This was probably an extreme
sample, but showed unequivocally that change, sometimes large, is possible for some motivated individuals. The study published in 2003, attracted a large amount of criticism and abuse from the gay lobby, but any impartial observer would say he has established beyond reasonable doubt that change does
take place for some people, and that in view of the published literature, this is no real surprise.


Spitzer after his study, received death threats so disturbing that he withdrew from making public comment about the subject because he said he had to protect his family.


A contrary study, showing harm to some people50 particularly showing up in poorer self-image and suicidal thoughts, but including accounts of people who said they had been helped by therapy, was followed by a doctoral project by Karten who interviewed other people who claimed they had been helped and had changed. His results were very similar to Spitzer’s, and support the idea that change is possible.

A book by Jones and Yarhouse in 2007 interviewing those who had been through the (nonprofessional) Exodus program (see below) also concluded that much real change had occurred but described the resulting predominant heterosexuality for many of the participants as “rather complicated”, meaning tinges of same-sex feelings remained. Nevertheless, in their sample the degree of change was actually greater for predominant heterosexuals than bisexuals.


A book by Hallman due out 2008, published by IVP, will describe various degrees of change reported among lesbians. Of course even one published case of documented change would be sufficient to disprove the assertion
that change is impossible, and there are hundreds. Those changes are of varying extent, but the majority of changes are satisfying to those involved – and that is one of the main ideals of psychotherapy.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

No scientific basis for 'born gay' theory. (DUH!)



A new research study by a University of Illinois team, which has screened the entire human genome, reported that there is no one gay gene. Writing in the journal Human Genetics, lead researcher Dr. Brian Mustanski noted that environmental factors were also likely to be involved.

Of the innate-immutable argument, Dr. Richard C. Friedman and Dr. Jennifer Downey, noted, "At clinical conferences one often hears . . . that homosexual orientation is fixed and unmodifiable. Neither assertion is true . . . The assertion that homosexuality is genetic is so reductionistic that it must be dismissed out of hand as a general principle of psychology."

And the fluidity of homosexual attractions is well-established. Dr. Ellen Schecter of the Fielding Institute studied women who had self-identified as lesbian for more than 10 years and who after age 30 were now in intimate relationships with men lasting a year or longer.

Even more prominent was the research by Robert Spitzer, the very psychiatrist who led the charge to remove homosexuality from the psychiatric manual. His study of 200 gay men and lesbian women who had undergone re-orientation therapy concluded: 44 percent of the women and 66 percent of the men had arrived at what he called "good heterosexual functioning" and 89 percent of the men and 95 percent of the women reported that they were bothered slightly or not at all by unwanted homosexual feelings.

 

[Sunni Man]

This is great news that people can free themselves from the bondage of homosexuality.

And become normal human beings once again!

 

[Lycurgus]

This is great news that people can free themselves from the bondage of homosexuality.

And become normal human beings once again!

Yes, normal, like this ..............

 

[Sunni Man]

Yes, normal, like this ..............

If you think homosexuality is normal. Then yes, that flag will fit your agenda.

 

[editec]

I'm more than just a little underwhelmed to be honest.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

I'm more than just a little underwhelmed to be honest.

The prohomosexual so called "scientific" validity argument has never been proven and its basically a joke for them to make the conclusion that homosexuality cannot be cured when all attempts by scientists to do so is threatened, protested and boycotted because of pro-gay activism. Perhaps homosexuality can't be cured, but with pro-gay activism stifling attempts at research what do you expect?

 

[chloe]

Jeffree was born gay

 

[Bass v 2.0]

The pro-gay argument against those who say change is possible and or those who say they have changed is this:

Gay activism usually comes up with any or all of the following arguments.

• The individuals concerned were never homosexual in the first place.

• The alleged change in orientation that has taken place is brief and illusory. (Given time the person will revert; the change is only the result of suppression of homosexual feelings which will resurface.)

• A person can change his or her identity but not the orientation. (You can stop acting homosexually, but you can’t stop being inwardly homosexual.)


• Those who say change is possible are “homophobic” (hating or fearful of homosexuality and homosexuals). That is, they are forcing homosexuals to become heterosexual because they don’t like homosexuality or homosexuals.


• Homosexuals who undergo this change are emotionally damaged in the process, become depressed, lose self-esteem, and become suicidal because they are doing violence to their true selves and “internalizing” the “homophobia” that is forcing change on them.



It is interesting to note that to date there has been not one scientific study published backed by extensive research that validates any of these claims. Any so called "credible" organisation can issue statements but without scientific research to back it up, those statements are worthless.


As can be seen, most the claims by the pro-gay activist faction are politicall rants, not scientifically backed claims.

 

[Sunni Man]

Jeffree was born gay

No one is born gay

 

[chloe]

well jeffree was, he told me so.....also why is this in a religious thread?

 

[Sunni Man]

well jeffree was, he told me so.....also why is this in a religious thread?

Then Jeffree was born defective.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

well jeffree was, he told me so.....also why is this in a religious thread?

There's no proof anyone is born gay just as there's no proof anyone is born being a pedophile, rapist, racist, murderer, thief, etc. All of those things, including homosexuality[which is nothing more than gay sex acts] are behaviour driven acts, not genetically hardwired things people are born to do.

 

[chloe]

well jeffree was born loving homosexual acts

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Jeffree was born gay

Nobody is born wanting to take a penis up his butt.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

well jeffree was born loving homosexual acts

Just as no one is born loving pedophile acts, the same applies to homosexual sex acts.

 

[chloe]

Jeffree said he likes it, he said its normal, and sometimes he wishes I was a man too.

 

[Sunni Man]

well jeffree was born loving homosexual acts

Then Jeffree has bought into thinking that being a pervert is good and normal

 

[RetiredGySgt]

well jeffree was born loving homosexual acts

Doubt that, unless at birth he started humping a guy.

 

[chloe]

yes Sunni, and I told Jeffree all about you and Chuck, and jeffree got "damned" mad.....he said he will teach you some homosexual acts chump......then he said he wishes he could meet you in person. I told Jeffree you boys are my friends....I think he's jealous !!!!