Outrageous: Obama Issues Permits To Kill Our Symbol Of Freedom, The Bald Eagle

[ScreamingEagle]

Amazing how accomodating BO can be for NON-Christian religions....

Thankfully the Bald Eagle was finally taken off the threatened list in 2007...

what does the bald eagle have to do with your religion? Do you eat them on a special say or something because you believe in god?

fuck off....slimeball....

 

[uscitizen]

Oh goody more Faux Outrage.

Ho-Hum.....

The federal agency granted a permit last week allowing the Northern Arapaho to kill or capture and then release up to two bald eagles this year. The tribe filed a federal lawsuit in Cheyenne last fall over the agency's earlier failure to grant a bald eagle permit after the tribe applied for one nearly three years ago.

The permit was granted in response to the tribe's application, not the lawsuit that is still pending, Matt Hogan, assistant regional director for the Fish and Wildlife Service in Denver, told The Associated Press in a statement Wednesday.

"Issuance of the permit was in accordance with the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act which allows for take of bald or golden eagles for the 'religious purposes of Indian tribes' if it is compatible with the preservation of eagle populations," Hogan wrote.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service determined that killing one or two bald eagles would be consistent with the standard of preserving eagle populations, Hogan stated.

The national bird was removed from the federal list of threatened species in 2007, following its reclassification in 1995 from endangered to threatened. The birds remain protected under the federal Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act.

Feds say Wyo. tribe's bald eagle permit a first - US News and World Report

You mean to say that congress passed that act? Not Obama?
wow....

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Is this outrageous or not? This is a attack on our symbol of freedom, the bald eagle. What does this tell us about this man that sits in the White House? Would Teddy Roosevelt approve, or any other American president? I don't know about you but I cherish the Bald Eagle with pride and patriotism. Do you?

Permit to Kill Bald Eagles Granted by Obama Administration | Conservative Byte

OMG the world is going to end

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has taken the unusual step of issuing a permit allowing an American Indian tribe in Wyoming to kill two bald eagles for religious purposes.

Ben Franklin - a Founding Father - thought the official bird of the U.S. should be a fucking TURKEY. Do you think he also thought it should be illegal to kill turkeys?

 

[GuyPinestra]

Let the natives kill the birds, already. It's not like they weren't using their feathers and talons for religious ceremonies before the rest of us got here... I'm just glad there's enough of them to allow it without adversely effecting the overall population.

 

[Polk]

Amazing how accomodating BO can be for NON-Christian religions....

Thankfully the Bald Eagle was finally taken off the threatened list in 2007...

Was it? I didn't think it was. News to me.

And the Bush administration took it a step further, and proposed a limited take of both bald and golden eagles.

In addition, the Service is accepting public comments on a proposal to establish a permit program under the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act that would allow a limited take of bald and golden eagles. Any take authorized would be consistent with the purpose and goal of the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act, ensuring eagle populations remain healthy and sustainable.

So let me get this right. Obama is bad for letting two be killed in a religious ritual, while Bush wanted to let people hunt them for sport? This really is rich.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Just what drove these birds to near extinction?

Hint: It wasn't Native American religious and cultural rites.

Who said it was?

Well, you've got your panties in a knot because the Arapaho are being allowed to kill two eagles.

Fuck you , you son of a bitch

 

[Polk]

Also, for the morons claiming Obama is doing this for votes (please ignore he's not the one making the call in the first place)... this tribe has a whopping 5,000 members, centered in Wyoming and Oklahoma.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Yes.

You are a god damn liar. There's no fucking way you could have read it when it was posted and what you said you read.

lol

Just because you get caught with your pants down is no excuse to accuse me of "lying".

I did read the link, looking for exactly what was posted above that proved you were full of shit.

The fact that you are a god damn liar is not laughable. You read the link? So your saying you read the whole act from the time I posted it until the doctor responded? You are a god damn liar.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Also, for the morons claiming Obama is doing this for votes (please ignore he's not the one making the call in the first place)... this tribe has a whopping 5,000 members, centered in Wyoming and Oklahoma.

It's those who think he's not doing it for votes are the fucking morons.

 

[Polk]

He's not the one doing it in the first place, but even if he was, what's the incentive? Which states will this flip that would otherwise end up in Romney's column?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

He's not the one doing it in the first place, but even if he was, what's the incentive? Which states will this flip that would otherwise end up in Romney's column?

Dip shit the president is the only on that can give the ok to do it, that is the law.

 

[Polk]

That's not true. The authority to grant or deny permits under the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act falls to Interior.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

That's not true. The authority to grant or deny permits under the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act falls to Interior.

This was pointed out to me earlier.

the Secretary of the Interior is authorized and directed,
from time to time, having due regard to the zones of temperature
and to the distribution, abundance, economic value, breeding
habits, and times and lines of migratory flight of such birds, to
determine when, to what extent, if at all, and by what means, it is
compatible with the terms of the conventions to allow hunting,
taking, capture, killing, possession, sale, purchase, shipment,
transportation, carriage, or export of any such bird, or any part,
nest, or egg thereof, and to adopt suitable regulations permitting
and governing the same, in accordance with such determinations,
which regulations shall become effective when approved by the
President.

 

[daveman]

Since when do Conservatives have a problem with hunting and killing things with guns?

I have a problem hunting our national symbol.

Republicans hunt the middle class.

Why don't you hunt some more pictures of polluted Chinese rivers you can claim are in Texas, you lying piece of shit?

 

[Harry Dresden]

2 Bald Eages for the Arapaho ceremony seems reasonable- since Dems have saved them from the endangered list...

hey Frankie.....use all that education you claim to have and do some research before you open your ass and talk......DDT is claimed by many to have been a major factor in the Bald Eagles demise...some also say that is bullshit......this is from the Smithsonian...you do know what that is right?.......

Saving Our Symbol: The Bald Eagle's Path to Recovery - National Zoo| FONZ

When the bald eagle was adopted as our national symbol in 1782, there were between 25,000 and 75,000 birds nesting in the lower 48 states. Illegal shooting, habitat destruction, lead poisoning, and the catastrophic effects of DDT contamination in their prey base reduced eagle numbers to a mere 417 pairs by 1963. Legal protection began with the Bald Eagle Protection Act of 1940 and continued with the Endangered Species Preservation Act of 1966 and the 1978 listing under the Endangered Species Act of 1973. The single-most important regulation affecting bald eagle recovery may have been the banning of DDT for most uses in the United States in 1972.

guess who was behind the banning of this ?....the EPA created under Nixon....and this guy appointed by Nixon.....William Ruckelshaus the first head of the EPA....
i dont think the Democrats can take all of the accolades for this you puss infested Anal Fissure.....

 

[daveman]

2 Bald Eages for the Arapaho ceremony seems reasonable- since Dems have saved them from the endangered list...

hey Frankie.....use all that education you claim to have and do some research before you open your ass and talk......DDT is claimed by many to have been a major factor in the Bald Eagles demise...some also say that is bullshit......this is from the Smithsonian...you do know what that is right?.......

Saving Our Symbol: The Bald Eagle's Path to Recovery - National Zoo| FONZ

When the bald eagle was adopted as our national symbol in 1782, there were between 25,000 and 75,000 birds nesting in the lower 48 states. Illegal shooting, habitat destruction, lead poisoning, and the catastrophic effects of DDT contamination in their prey base reduced eagle numbers to a mere 417 pairs by 1963. Legal protection began with the Bald Eagle Protection Act of 1940 and continued with the Endangered Species Preservation Act of 1966 and the 1978 listing under the Endangered Species Act of 1973. The single-most important regulation affecting bald eagle recovery may have been the banning of DDT for most uses in the United States in 1972.

guess who was behind the banning of this ?....the EPA created under Nixon....and this guy appointed by Nixon.....William Ruckelshaus the first head of the EPA....
i dont think the Democrats can take all of the accolades for this you puss infested Anal Fissure.....

Democrats can take the blame for banning DDT.

DDT Did Not Harm Eagles | Heartlander Magazine

There is no scientific evidence that DDT had any negative impact on our national bird. To the contrary, DDT's elimination of disease-causing vermin helped virtually all bird populations, which is well documented by the National Audubon Society.

A brief history of the eagle population makes this clear. In 1941, before any DDT was used, 197 bald eagles were counted. In 1960, after 15 years of heavy DDT use, the count had risen to 891.​

The Malaria Clock -- A Green Legacy Of Death

In April 1972, after seven months of testimony, EPA Administrative Law Judge Edmund Sweeney stated that “DDT is not a carcinogenic hazard to man. ... The uses of DDT under the regulations involved here do not have a deleterious effect on freshwater fish, estuarine organisms, wild birds, or other wildlife. ... The evidence in this proceeding supports the conclusion that there is a present need for the essential uses of DDT.”*

Two months later, EPA head [and Environmental Defense Fund member/fundraiser] William Ruckelshaus - who had never attended a single day’s session in the seven months of EPA hearings, and who admittedly had not even read the transcript of the hearings - overturned Judge Sweeney’s decision. Ruckelshaus declared that DDT was a “potential human carcinogen” and banned it for virtually all uses.**​

Since DDT's banning, over 107 million people have died from largely preventable cases of malaria.

I put the research together here: http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-flame-zone/169159-the-philosophy-of-death-american-liberalism.html

 

[edthecynic]

2 Bald Eages for the Arapaho ceremony seems reasonable- since Dems have saved them from the endangered list...

hey Frankie.....use all that education you claim to have and do some research before you open your ass and talk......DDT is claimed by many to have been a major factor in the Bald Eagles demise...some also say that is bullshit......this is from the Smithsonian...you do know what that is right?.......

Saving Our Symbol: The Bald Eagle's Path to Recovery - National Zoo| FONZ

When the bald eagle was adopted as our national symbol in 1782, there were between 25,000 and 75,000 birds nesting in the lower 48 states. Illegal shooting, habitat destruction, lead poisoning, and the catastrophic effects of DDT contamination in their prey base reduced eagle numbers to a mere 417 pairs by 1963. Legal protection began with the Bald Eagle Protection Act of 1940 and continued with the Endangered Species Preservation Act of 1966 and the 1978 listing under the Endangered Species Act of 1973. The single-most important regulation affecting bald eagle recovery may have been the banning of DDT for most uses in the United States in 1972.

guess who was behind the banning of this ?....the EPA created under Nixon....and this guy appointed by Nixon.....William Ruckelshaus the first head of the EPA....
i dont think the Democrats can take all of the accolades for this you puss infested Anal Fissure.....

Democrats can take the blame for banning DDT.

DDT Did Not Harm Eagles | Heartlander Magazine

There is no scientific evidence that DDT had any negative impact on our national bird. To the contrary, DDT's elimination of disease-causing vermin helped virtually all bird populations, which is well documented by the National Audubon Society.

A brief history of the eagle population makes this clear. In 1941, before any DDT was used, 197 bald eagles were counted. In 1960, after 15 years of heavy DDT use, the count had risen to 891.​

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Typical CON$erviNutzi half truth/whole lie!

The increase in the number of eagles was because of the Bald Eagle Act that was passed in 1940 and in spite of the use of DDT, which hampered their recovery.

History of the Bald Eagle


By the 1930s, people became aware of the diminishing bald eagle population, and in 1940 the Bald Eagle Act was passed. This reduced the harassment by humans, and eagle populations began to recover. However, at the same time DDT and other pesticides began to be widely used. Pesticides sprayed on plants were eaten by small animals, which were later consumed by birds of prey. The DDT poison harmed both the adult birds and the eggs that they laid. The egg shells became too thin to with stand the incubation period, and were often crushed. Eggs that were not crushed during incubation often did not hatch, due to high levels of DDT and its derivatives. Large quantities of DDT were discovered in the fatty tissues and gonads of dead bald eagles, which may have caused them to become infertile.
Status and future of bald eagles.

In 1972 the United States ban DDT.

With these and other recovery methods, as well as habitat improvement and the banning of DDT, bald eagle populations have steadily increased. Indeed, the number of nesting pairs in the lower 48 United States increased 10-fold, from less than 450 in the early 1960s, to more than 4,500 adult bald eagle nesting pairs in the 1990s. In the Southeast, for example, there were about 980 breeding pairs in 1993, up from about 400 in 1981

 

[daveman]

hey Frankie.....use all that education you claim to have and do some research before you open your ass and talk......DDT is claimed by many to have been a major factor in the Bald Eagles demise...some also say that is bullshit......this is from the Smithsonian...you do know what that is right?.......

Saving Our Symbol: The Bald Eagle's Path to Recovery - National Zoo| FONZ

When the bald eagle was adopted as our national symbol in 1782, there were between 25,000 and 75,000 birds nesting in the lower 48 states. Illegal shooting, habitat destruction, lead poisoning, and the catastrophic effects of DDT contamination in their prey base reduced eagle numbers to a mere 417 pairs by 1963. Legal protection began with the Bald Eagle Protection Act of 1940 and continued with the Endangered Species Preservation Act of 1966 and the 1978 listing under the Endangered Species Act of 1973. The single-most important regulation affecting bald eagle recovery may have been the banning of DDT for most uses in the United States in 1972.

guess who was behind the banning of this ?....the EPA created under Nixon....and this guy appointed by Nixon.....William Ruckelshaus the first head of the EPA....
i dont think the Democrats can take all of the accolades for this you puss infested Anal Fissure.....

Democrats can take the blame for banning DDT.

DDT Did Not Harm Eagles | Heartlander Magazine

There is no scientific evidence that DDT had any negative impact on our national bird. To the contrary, DDT's elimination of disease-causing vermin helped virtually all bird populations, which is well documented by the National Audubon Society.

A brief history of the eagle population makes this clear. In 1941, before any DDT was used, 197 bald eagles were counted. In 1960, after 15 years of heavy DDT use, the count had risen to 891.​

​

Typical CON$erviNutzi half truth/whole lie!

The increase in the number of eagles was because of the Bald Eagle Act that was passed in 1940 and in spite of the use of DDT, which hampered their recovery.

History of the Bald Eagle


By the 1930s, people became aware of the diminishing bald eagle population, and in 1940 the Bald Eagle Act was passed. This reduced the harassment by humans, and eagle populations began to recover. However, at the same time DDT and other pesticides began to be widely used. Pesticides sprayed on plants were eaten by small animals, which were later consumed by birds of prey. The DDT poison harmed both the adult birds and the eggs that they laid. The egg shells became too thin to with stand the incubation period, and were often crushed. Eggs that were not crushed during incubation often did not hatch, due to high levels of DDT and its derivatives. Large quantities of DDT were discovered in the fatty tissues and gonads of dead bald eagles, which may have caused them to become infertile.
Status and future of bald eagles.

In 1972 the United States ban DDT.

With these and other recovery methods, as well as habitat improvement and the banning of DDT, bald eagle populations have steadily increased. Indeed, the number of nesting pairs in the lower 48 United States increased 10-fold, from less than 450 in the early 1960s, to more than 4,500 adult bald eagle nesting pairs in the 1990s. In the Southeast, for example, there were about 980 breeding pairs in 1993, up from about 400 in 1981

There is no credible scientific evidence that shows DDT harmed wildlife.

There is, though, a lot of leftist hysteria and fear-mongering, which, while amusing in a pats-the-screaming-child-and-sends-him-on-his-way fashion, is not a sound basis for legislation and policy.

But that's all you've got.

On your way, kid.

 

[8537]

There is no credible scientific evidence that shows DDT harmed wildlife.
.

THere's no credible evidence that DDT softened the shells of Peregrine falcons?

Really?

 

[daveman]

There is no credible scientific evidence that shows DDT harmed wildlife.
.

THere's no credible evidence that DDT softened the shells of Peregrine falcons?

Really?

Yes.

DDT was blamed for the decline in the peregrine falcon population.


The decline in the U.S. peregrine falcon population occurred long before the DDT years.

[Hickey JJ. 1942. (Only 170 pairs of peregrines in eastern U.S. in 1940) Auk 59:176; Hickey JJ. 1971 Testimony at DDT hearings before EPA hearing examiner. (350 pre- DDT peregrines claimed in eastern U.S., with 28 of the females sterile); and Beebe FL. 1971. The Myth of the Vanishing Peregrine Falcon: A study in manipulation of public and official attitudes. Canadian Raptor Society Publication, 31 pages]
Peregrine falcons were deemed undesirable in the early 20th century. Dr. William Hornaday of the New York Zoological Society referred them as birds that "deserve death, but are so rare that we need not take them into account."

[Hornaday, WT. 1913. Our Vanishing Wild Life. New York Zoological Society, p. 226]
Oologists amassed great collections of falcon eggs.

[Peterson, RT. 1948. Birds Over American, Dodd Mead & Co., NY, pp 135-151; Rice, JN. 1969. In Peregrine Falcon Populations, Univ. Of Wisconsin Press, pp 155-164; Berger, DD. 1969. In Peregrine Falcon Populations, Univ. Of Wisconsin Press, pp 165-173]
The decline in falcons along the Hudson River was attributed to falconers, egg collectors, pigeon fanciers and disturbance by construction workers and others.

[Herbert, RA and KG Herbert. 1969. In Peregrine Falcon Populations, Univ. Of Wisconsin Press, pp 133- 154. (Also in Auk 82: 62-94)]
The 1950's and 1960's saw continuing harassment trapping brooding birds in their nests, removing fat samples for analysis and operating time-lapse cameras beside the nests for extended periods of time), predation and habitat destruction.

[Hazeltine, WE. 1972. Statement before Secretary of State's Advisory Committee on United Nations Conference on the Human Environment, March 16, 1972; Enderson, JH and DD Berger. 1968. (Chlorinated hydrocarbons in peregrines from Northern Canada). Condor 70:149-153; Enderson, JH.. 1972. (Time lapse photography in peregrine nests) Living Bird 11: 113- 128; Risebrough, RW. 1970. (Organochlorines in peregrines and merlins migrating through Wisconsin). Canadian Field-Naturalist 84:247-253]
Changes in climate (higher temperatures and decreasing precipitation) were blamed for the gradual disappearance of peregrines from the Rocky Mountains.

[Nelson, MW. 1969. Peregrine Falcon Populations, pp 61-72]
Falconers were blamed for decimating western populations.

[Herman, S. 1969. Peregrine Falcon Populations, University of Wisconsin Press]
During the 1960's, peregrines in northern Canada were "reproducing normally," even though they contained 30 times more DDT, DDD, and DDE than the midwestern peregrines that were allegedly extirpated by those chemicals.

[Enderson, JH and DD Berger. 1968. (Chlorinated hydrocarbons in peregrines from Northern Canada) Condor 70:170-178]
There was no decline in peregrine falcon pairs in Canada and Alaska between 1950 and 1967 despite the presence of DDT and DDE.

[Fyfe, RW. 1959. Peregrine Falcon Populations, pp 101-114; and Fyfe, RW. 1968. Auk 85: 383-384]
The peregrine with the very highest DDT residue (2,435 parts per million) was found feeding three healthy young.

[Enderson, JH. 1968. (Pesticide residues in Alaska and Yukon Territory) Auk 85: 683]
Shooting, egg collecting, falconry and disruption of nesting birds along the Yukon River and Colville River were reported to be the cause of the decline in peregrine falcon population.

[Beebe, FL. 1971. The Myth of the Vanishing Peregrine Falcon: A study in manipulation of public and official attitudes. Canadian Raptor Society Publication, 31 pages; and Beebe, FL. 1975. Brit Columbia Provincial Museum Occas. Paper No. 17, pages 126-144]
The decline in British peregrine falcons ended by 1966, though DDT was as abundant as ever. The Federal Advisory Committee on Pesticides concluded "There is no close correlation between the declines in populations of predatory birds, particularly the peregrine falcon and the sparrow hawk, and the use of DDT."

[Wilson report. 1969. Review of Organochlorine pesticides in Britain. Report by the Advisory Committee on toxic chemicals. Department of Education and Science]
During 1940-1945, the British Air Ministry shot about 600 peregrines (half the pre-1939 level) to protect carrier pigeons.
Peregrine falcon and sparrow hawk egg shells thinned in Britain prior to the use of DDT.

[Redcliff, DH. 1967. Nature 215: 208-210; Redcliff, DH. 1970 J Applied Biology 7:67; and Redcliff, DH. 1967. Nature 215: 208-210]​