Outrageous: Obama Issues Permits To Kill Our Symbol Of Freedom, The Bald Eagle

[8537]

There is no credible scientific evidence that shows DDT harmed wildlife.
.

THere's no credible evidence that DDT softened the shells of Peregrine falcons?

Really?

Yes.

DDT was blamed for the decline in the peregrine falcon population.


The decline in the U.S. peregrine falcon population occurred long before the DDT years.

[Hickey JJ. 1942. (Only 170 pairs of peregrines in eastern U.S. in 1940) Auk 59:176; Hickey JJ. 1971 Testimony at DDT hearings before EPA hearing examiner. (350 pre- DDT peregrines claimed in eastern U.S., with 28 of the females sterile); and Beebe FL. 1971. The Myth of the Vanishing Peregrine Falcon: A study in manipulation of public and official attitudes. Canadian Raptor Society Publication, 31 pages]
Peregrine falcons were deemed undesirable in the early 20th century. Dr. William Hornaday of the New York Zoological Society referred them as birds that "deserve death, but are so rare that we need not take them into account."

[Hornaday, WT. 1913. Our Vanishing Wild Life. New York Zoological Society, p. 226]
Oologists amassed great collections of falcon eggs.

[Peterson, RT. 1948. Birds Over American, Dodd Mead & Co., NY, pp 135-151; Rice, JN. 1969. In Peregrine Falcon Populations, Univ. Of Wisconsin Press, pp 155-164; Berger, DD. 1969. In Peregrine Falcon Populations, Univ. Of Wisconsin Press, pp 165-173]
The decline in falcons along the Hudson River was attributed to falconers, egg collectors, pigeon fanciers and disturbance by construction workers and others.

[Herbert, RA and KG Herbert. 1969. In Peregrine Falcon Populations, Univ. Of Wisconsin Press, pp 133- 154. (Also in Auk 82: 62-94)]
The 1950's and 1960's saw continuing harassment trapping brooding birds in their nests, removing fat samples for analysis and operating time-lapse cameras beside the nests for extended periods of time), predation and habitat destruction.

[Hazeltine, WE. 1972. Statement before Secretary of State's Advisory Committee on United Nations Conference on the Human Environment, March 16, 1972; Enderson, JH and DD Berger. 1968. (Chlorinated hydrocarbons in peregrines from Northern Canada). Condor 70:149-153; Enderson, JH.. 1972. (Time lapse photography in peregrine nests) Living Bird 11: 113- 128; Risebrough, RW. 1970. (Organochlorines in peregrines and merlins migrating through Wisconsin). Canadian Field-Naturalist 84:247-253]
Changes in climate (higher temperatures and decreasing precipitation) were blamed for the gradual disappearance of peregrines from the Rocky Mountains.

[Nelson, MW. 1969. Peregrine Falcon Populations, pp 61-72]
Falconers were blamed for decimating western populations.

[Herman, S. 1969. Peregrine Falcon Populations, University of Wisconsin Press]
During the 1960's, peregrines in northern Canada were "reproducing normally," even though they contained 30 times more DDT, DDD, and DDE than the midwestern peregrines that were allegedly extirpated by those chemicals.

[Enderson, JH and DD Berger. 1968. (Chlorinated hydrocarbons in peregrines from Northern Canada) Condor 70:170-178]
There was no decline in peregrine falcon pairs in Canada and Alaska between 1950 and 1967 despite the presence of DDT and DDE.

[Fyfe, RW. 1959. Peregrine Falcon Populations, pp 101-114; and Fyfe, RW. 1968. Auk 85: 383-384]
The peregrine with the very highest DDT residue (2,435 parts per million) was found feeding three healthy young.

[Enderson, JH. 1968. (Pesticide residues in Alaska and Yukon Territory) Auk 85: 683]
Shooting, egg collecting, falconry and disruption of nesting birds along the Yukon River and Colville River were reported to be the cause of the decline in peregrine falcon population.

[Beebe, FL. 1971. The Myth of the Vanishing Peregrine Falcon: A study in manipulation of public and official attitudes. Canadian Raptor Society Publication, 31 pages; and Beebe, FL. 1975. Brit Columbia Provincial Museum Occas. Paper No. 17, pages 126-144]
The decline in British peregrine falcons ended by 1966, though DDT was as abundant as ever. The Federal Advisory Committee on Pesticides concluded "There is no close correlation between the declines in populations of predatory birds, particularly the peregrine falcon and the sparrow hawk, and the use of DDT."

[Wilson report. 1969. Review of Organochlorine pesticides in Britain. Report by the Advisory Committee on toxic chemicals. Department of Education and Science]
During 1940-1945, the British Air Ministry shot about 600 peregrines (half the pre-1939 level) to protect carrier pigeons.
Peregrine falcon and sparrow hawk egg shells thinned in Britain prior to the use of DDT.

[Redcliff, DH. 1967. Nature 215: 208-210; Redcliff, DH. 1970 J Applied Biology 7:67; and Redcliff, DH. 1967. Nature 215: 208-210]​

You'll forgive me for not accepting a Heartland Institute / Koch funded corporate source.

 

[daveman]

THere's no credible evidence that DDT softened the shells of Peregrine falcons?

Really?

Yes.

DDT was blamed for the decline in the peregrine falcon population.


The decline in the U.S. peregrine falcon population occurred long before the DDT years.

[Hickey JJ. 1942. (Only 170 pairs of peregrines in eastern U.S. in 1940) Auk 59:176; Hickey JJ. 1971 Testimony at DDT hearings before EPA hearing examiner. (350 pre- DDT peregrines claimed in eastern U.S., with 28 of the females sterile); and Beebe FL. 1971. The Myth of the Vanishing Peregrine Falcon: A study in manipulation of public and official attitudes. Canadian Raptor Society Publication, 31 pages]
Peregrine falcons were deemed undesirable in the early 20th century. Dr. William Hornaday of the New York Zoological Society referred them as birds that "deserve death, but are so rare that we need not take them into account."

[Hornaday, WT. 1913. Our Vanishing Wild Life. New York Zoological Society, p. 226]
Oologists amassed great collections of falcon eggs.

[Peterson, RT. 1948. Birds Over American, Dodd Mead & Co., NY, pp 135-151; Rice, JN. 1969. In Peregrine Falcon Populations, Univ. Of Wisconsin Press, pp 155-164; Berger, DD. 1969. In Peregrine Falcon Populations, Univ. Of Wisconsin Press, pp 165-173]
The decline in falcons along the Hudson River was attributed to falconers, egg collectors, pigeon fanciers and disturbance by construction workers and others.

[Herbert, RA and KG Herbert. 1969. In Peregrine Falcon Populations, Univ. Of Wisconsin Press, pp 133- 154. (Also in Auk 82: 62-94)]
The 1950's and 1960's saw continuing harassment trapping brooding birds in their nests, removing fat samples for analysis and operating time-lapse cameras beside the nests for extended periods of time), predation and habitat destruction.

[Hazeltine, WE. 1972. Statement before Secretary of State's Advisory Committee on United Nations Conference on the Human Environment, March 16, 1972; Enderson, JH and DD Berger. 1968. (Chlorinated hydrocarbons in peregrines from Northern Canada). Condor 70:149-153; Enderson, JH.. 1972. (Time lapse photography in peregrine nests) Living Bird 11: 113- 128; Risebrough, RW. 1970. (Organochlorines in peregrines and merlins migrating through Wisconsin). Canadian Field-Naturalist 84:247-253]
Changes in climate (higher temperatures and decreasing precipitation) were blamed for the gradual disappearance of peregrines from the Rocky Mountains.

[Nelson, MW. 1969. Peregrine Falcon Populations, pp 61-72]
Falconers were blamed for decimating western populations.

[Herman, S. 1969. Peregrine Falcon Populations, University of Wisconsin Press]
During the 1960's, peregrines in northern Canada were "reproducing normally," even though they contained 30 times more DDT, DDD, and DDE than the midwestern peregrines that were allegedly extirpated by those chemicals.

[Enderson, JH and DD Berger. 1968. (Chlorinated hydrocarbons in peregrines from Northern Canada) Condor 70:170-178]
There was no decline in peregrine falcon pairs in Canada and Alaska between 1950 and 1967 despite the presence of DDT and DDE.

[Fyfe, RW. 1959. Peregrine Falcon Populations, pp 101-114; and Fyfe, RW. 1968. Auk 85: 383-384]
The peregrine with the very highest DDT residue (2,435 parts per million) was found feeding three healthy young.

[Enderson, JH. 1968. (Pesticide residues in Alaska and Yukon Territory) Auk 85: 683]
Shooting, egg collecting, falconry and disruption of nesting birds along the Yukon River and Colville River were reported to be the cause of the decline in peregrine falcon population.

[Beebe, FL. 1971. The Myth of the Vanishing Peregrine Falcon: A study in manipulation of public and official attitudes. Canadian Raptor Society Publication, 31 pages; and Beebe, FL. 1975. Brit Columbia Provincial Museum Occas. Paper No. 17, pages 126-144]
The decline in British peregrine falcons ended by 1966, though DDT was as abundant as ever. The Federal Advisory Committee on Pesticides concluded "There is no close correlation between the declines in populations of predatory birds, particularly the peregrine falcon and the sparrow hawk, and the use of DDT."

[Wilson report. 1969. Review of Organochlorine pesticides in Britain. Report by the Advisory Committee on toxic chemicals. Department of Education and Science]
During 1940-1945, the British Air Ministry shot about 600 peregrines (half the pre-1939 level) to protect carrier pigeons.
Peregrine falcon and sparrow hawk egg shells thinned in Britain prior to the use of DDT.

[Redcliff, DH. 1967. Nature 215: 208-210; Redcliff, DH. 1970 J Applied Biology 7:67; and Redcliff, DH. 1967. Nature 215: 208-210]​

You'll forgive me for not accepting a Heartland Institute / Koch funded corporate source.

It doesn't bother me if you'd rather bitterly cling to your programmed lies.

But I wonder how Heartland and the Koches influenced all those studies done in the 50's, 60's and 70's.

Care to explain that?

 

[8537]

Let's try some, you know, actual research:

DDE-induced eggshell thinning: an environmental detective story
David B. Peakall
Environmental Reviews, 1993, 1(1): 13-20, 10.1139/a93-002
ABSTRACT
This is a personal account of the investigation of DDE-induced eggshell thinning and the subsequent use of this information in the legal battle over the banning of DDT. The article focuses on the toxicological effects of DDT on the peregrine falcon, Falco peregrinus, although the effects on other species are briefly considered. The peregrine falcon population crashed throughout the Holarctic region in the 1950s and 1960s. Eggshell thinning was discovered in British peregrines in 1967 and was soon found to be a global phenomenon. The relationship between dichlorodiphenyldichloroethylene (DDE) residues and eggshell thinning was established by the beginning of the 1970s. Information on the effect of DDE on the peregrine falcon formed an important part of the evidence that led to the banning of DDT, and since a ban has been implemented in many countries the peregrine populations have improved in most areas.Key words: peregrine falcon, DDE, eggshell thinning.

Perhaps the seminal article:
Science 11 July 1969:
Vol. 165 no. 3889 pp. 199-200
DOI: 10.1126/science.165.3889.199
Dieldrin and DDT: Effects on Sparrow Hawk Eggshells and Reproduction
Richard D. Porter and Stanley N. Wiemeyer
Bureau of Sport Fisheries and Wildlife, Patuxent Wildlife Research Center, Laurel, Maryland 20810
ABSTRACT
Patterns of reproductive failure in declining populations of several European and North American raptorial species were duplicated experimentally with captive American sparrow hawks Falco sparvcrius that were given a diet containing two commonly used organochlorine insecticides. Major effects on reproduction were increased egg disappearance, increased egg destruction by parent birds, and reduced eggshell thickness.

We could go on all night....But hey, why trust peer-reviewed research when you can "trust" Heartland?

 

[8537]

Yes.

DDT was blamed for the decline in the peregrine falcon population.


The decline in the U.S. peregrine falcon population occurred long before the DDT years.

[Hickey JJ. 1942. (Only 170 pairs of peregrines in eastern U.S. in 1940) Auk 59:176; Hickey JJ. 1971 Testimony at DDT hearings before EPA hearing examiner. (350 pre- DDT peregrines claimed in eastern U.S., with 28 of the females sterile); and Beebe FL. 1971. The Myth of the Vanishing Peregrine Falcon: A study in manipulation of public and official attitudes. Canadian Raptor Society Publication, 31 pages]
Peregrine falcons were deemed undesirable in the early 20th century. Dr. William Hornaday of the New York Zoological Society referred them as birds that "deserve death, but are so rare that we need not take them into account."

[Hornaday, WT. 1913. Our Vanishing Wild Life. New York Zoological Society, p. 226]
Oologists amassed great collections of falcon eggs.

[Peterson, RT. 1948. Birds Over American, Dodd Mead & Co., NY, pp 135-151; Rice, JN. 1969. In Peregrine Falcon Populations, Univ. Of Wisconsin Press, pp 155-164; Berger, DD. 1969. In Peregrine Falcon Populations, Univ. Of Wisconsin Press, pp 165-173]
The decline in falcons along the Hudson River was attributed to falconers, egg collectors, pigeon fanciers and disturbance by construction workers and others.

[Herbert, RA and KG Herbert. 1969. In Peregrine Falcon Populations, Univ. Of Wisconsin Press, pp 133- 154. (Also in Auk 82: 62-94)]
The 1950's and 1960's saw continuing harassment trapping brooding birds in their nests, removing fat samples for analysis and operating time-lapse cameras beside the nests for extended periods of time), predation and habitat destruction.

[Hazeltine, WE. 1972. Statement before Secretary of State's Advisory Committee on United Nations Conference on the Human Environment, March 16, 1972; Enderson, JH and DD Berger. 1968. (Chlorinated hydrocarbons in peregrines from Northern Canada). Condor 70:149-153; Enderson, JH.. 1972. (Time lapse photography in peregrine nests) Living Bird 11: 113- 128; Risebrough, RW. 1970. (Organochlorines in peregrines and merlins migrating through Wisconsin). Canadian Field-Naturalist 84:247-253]
Changes in climate (higher temperatures and decreasing precipitation) were blamed for the gradual disappearance of peregrines from the Rocky Mountains.

[Nelson, MW. 1969. Peregrine Falcon Populations, pp 61-72]
Falconers were blamed for decimating western populations.

[Herman, S. 1969. Peregrine Falcon Populations, University of Wisconsin Press]
During the 1960's, peregrines in northern Canada were "reproducing normally," even though they contained 30 times more DDT, DDD, and DDE than the midwestern peregrines that were allegedly extirpated by those chemicals.

[Enderson, JH and DD Berger. 1968. (Chlorinated hydrocarbons in peregrines from Northern Canada) Condor 70:170-178]
There was no decline in peregrine falcon pairs in Canada and Alaska between 1950 and 1967 despite the presence of DDT and DDE.

[Fyfe, RW. 1959. Peregrine Falcon Populations, pp 101-114; and Fyfe, RW. 1968. Auk 85: 383-384]
The peregrine with the very highest DDT residue (2,435 parts per million) was found feeding three healthy young.

[Enderson, JH. 1968. (Pesticide residues in Alaska and Yukon Territory) Auk 85: 683]
Shooting, egg collecting, falconry and disruption of nesting birds along the Yukon River and Colville River were reported to be the cause of the decline in peregrine falcon population.

[Beebe, FL. 1971. The Myth of the Vanishing Peregrine Falcon: A study in manipulation of public and official attitudes. Canadian Raptor Society Publication, 31 pages; and Beebe, FL. 1975. Brit Columbia Provincial Museum Occas. Paper No. 17, pages 126-144]
The decline in British peregrine falcons ended by 1966, though DDT was as abundant as ever. The Federal Advisory Committee on Pesticides concluded "There is no close correlation between the declines in populations of predatory birds, particularly the peregrine falcon and the sparrow hawk, and the use of DDT."

[Wilson report. 1969. Review of Organochlorine pesticides in Britain. Report by the Advisory Committee on toxic chemicals. Department of Education and Science]
During 1940-1945, the British Air Ministry shot about 600 peregrines (half the pre-1939 level) to protect carrier pigeons.
Peregrine falcon and sparrow hawk egg shells thinned in Britain prior to the use of DDT.

[Redcliff, DH. 1967. Nature 215: 208-210; Redcliff, DH. 1970 J Applied Biology 7:67; and Redcliff, DH. 1967. Nature 215: 208-210]​

You'll forgive me for not accepting a Heartland Institute / Koch funded corporate source.

It doesn't bother me if you'd rather bitterly cling to your programmed lies.

But I wonder how Heartland and the Koches influenced all those studies done in the 50's, 60's and 70's.

Care to explain that?

Perhaps you care to read some, you know, actual research from the time. Try Science circa July, 1969. The plural of anecdote is not data.

 

[hortysir]

Is this outrageous or not? This is a attack on our symbol of freedom, the bald eagle. What does this tell us about this man that sits in the White House? Would Teddy Roosevelt approve, or any other American president? I don't know about you but I cherish the Bald Eagle with pride and patriotism. Do you?

Permit to Kill Bald Eagles Granted by Obama Administration | Conservative Byte

I don't know who the fuck you are but I now exactly WHAT you are.

You're an anti-Obama troll that spews bullshit that makes the rest of us legitimately sane conservatives get lumped into your shit-pile brand of wackiness.

You've been here for 2 weeks, or less and have already racked up more than 100 posts?


The very first paragraph of your obviously partisan link makes your OP nothing but a LIE.
The only thing I hate worse than bullshit is a fucking LIAR.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has taken the unusual step of issuing a permit allowing an American Indian tribe in Wyoming to kill two bald eagles for religious purposes.

1) It was the wildlife service that granted the permit.
NOT Obama, shit-stain.

2) The "free exercise thereof" religion trumps a protection statute for a symbol.


This is the first post of yours I have witnessed.
I hope things improve, and soon.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service operates under the Obama administration. He is responsible for their actions. This news has to be reported. This is a unpatriotic move by the president.

Mudslinger

It's a bureaucracy, fumble-head.
Do you think bureaucracies really change policies, drastically, every single time we change administrations?

 

[daveman]

Let's try some, you know, actual research:

DDE-induced eggshell thinning: an environmental detective story
David B. Peakall
Environmental Reviews, 1993, 1(1): 13-20, 10.1139/a93-002
ABSTRACT
This is a personal account of the investigation of DDE-induced eggshell thinning and the subsequent use of this information in the legal battle over the banning of DDT. The article focuses on the toxicological effects of DDT on the peregrine falcon, Falco peregrinus, although the effects on other species are briefly considered. The peregrine falcon population crashed throughout the Holarctic region in the 1950s and 1960s. Eggshell thinning was discovered in British peregrines in 1967 and was soon found to be a global phenomenon. The relationship between dichlorodiphenyldichloroethylene (DDE) residues and eggshell thinning was established by the beginning of the 1970s. Information on the effect of DDE on the peregrine falcon formed an important part of the evidence that led to the banning of DDT, and since a ban has been implemented in many countries the peregrine populations have improved in most areas.Key words: peregrine falcon, DDE, eggshell thinning.

Perhaps the seminal article:
Science 11 July 1969:
Vol. 165 no. 3889 pp. 199-200
DOI: 10.1126/science.165.3889.199
Dieldrin and DDT: Effects on Sparrow Hawk Eggshells and Reproduction
Richard D. Porter and Stanley N. Wiemeyer
Bureau of Sport Fisheries and Wildlife, Patuxent Wildlife Research Center, Laurel, Maryland 20810
ABSTRACT
Patterns of reproductive failure in declining populations of several European and North American raptorial species were duplicated experimentally with captive American sparrow hawks Falco sparvcrius that were given a diet containing two commonly used organochlorine insecticides. Major effects on reproduction were increased egg disappearance, increased egg destruction by parent birds, and reduced eggshell thickness.

We could go on all night....But hey, why trust peer-reviewed research when you can "trust" Heartland?

Oh, you mean the peer-reviewed research that the facts I posted were from?

Funny how that peer-reviewed research doesn't count.

 

[daveman]

You'll forgive me for not accepting a Heartland Institute / Koch funded corporate source.

It doesn't bother me if you'd rather bitterly cling to your programmed lies.

But I wonder how Heartland and the Koches influenced all those studies done in the 50's, 60's and 70's.

Care to explain that?

Perhaps you care to read some, you know, actual research from the time. Try Science circa July, 1969. The plural of anecdote is not data.

I didn't provide anecdotes. I provided data.

But you refuse to look at it. Is your worldview that fragile?

And I can't read your article. You didn't provide a link, genius.

 

[8537]

Let's try some, you know, actual research:

DDE-induced eggshell thinning: an environmental detective story
David B. Peakall
Environmental Reviews, 1993, 1(1): 13-20, 10.1139/a93-002
ABSTRACT
This is a personal account of the investigation of DDE-induced eggshell thinning and the subsequent use of this information in the legal battle over the banning of DDT. The article focuses on the toxicological effects of DDT on the peregrine falcon, Falco peregrinus, although the effects on other species are briefly considered. The peregrine falcon population crashed throughout the Holarctic region in the 1950s and 1960s. Eggshell thinning was discovered in British peregrines in 1967 and was soon found to be a global phenomenon. The relationship between dichlorodiphenyldichloroethylene (DDE) residues and eggshell thinning was established by the beginning of the 1970s. Information on the effect of DDE on the peregrine falcon formed an important part of the evidence that led to the banning of DDT, and since a ban has been implemented in many countries the peregrine populations have improved in most areas.Key words: peregrine falcon, DDE, eggshell thinning.

Perhaps the seminal article:
Science 11 July 1969:
Vol. 165 no. 3889 pp. 199-200
DOI: 10.1126/science.165.3889.199
Dieldrin and DDT: Effects on Sparrow Hawk Eggshells and Reproduction
Richard D. Porter and Stanley N. Wiemeyer
Bureau of Sport Fisheries and Wildlife, Patuxent Wildlife Research Center, Laurel, Maryland 20810
ABSTRACT
Patterns of reproductive failure in declining populations of several European and North American raptorial species were duplicated experimentally with captive American sparrow hawks Falco sparvcrius that were given a diet containing two commonly used organochlorine insecticides. Major effects on reproduction were increased egg disappearance, increased egg destruction by parent birds, and reduced eggshell thickness.

We could go on all night....But hey, why trust peer-reviewed research when you can "trust" Heartland?

Oh, you mean the peer-reviewed research that the facts I posted were from?

Funny how that peer-reviewed research doesn't count.

No, your research doesn't count because it's geographic anecdotes. the plural of anecdote is not data. The biology and ecology are not debatable - it is proven scientific fact that DDT bioconcentration in certain birds - including falcons - leads to thinning shells. The US ban on DDT didn't prevent that bioconcentration in species that migrate beyond our border, but it lessened it.

no dismissal, denial or attempts to obfuscate this clear fact by the folks at Heartland teal...can change the fact.

 

[8537]

It doesn't bother me if you'd rather bitterly cling to your programmed lies.

But I wonder how Heartland and the Koches influenced all those studies done in the 50's, 60's and 70's.

Care to explain that?

Perhaps you care to read some, you know, actual research from the time. Try Science circa July, 1969. The plural of anecdote is not data.

I didn't provide anecdotes. I provided data.

No, you didn't. Look at the research you copy and pasted. It's a long series of regional studies in small areas. It's scientific anecdotes.

The study in the Journal Science is data. You can't read the article because it's in a peer-reviewed journal article. If you Google it, you can gain access if you have access via a subscription service or a university account....which, by the way, is the same for some of the articles you quote.

 

[daveman]

Let's try some, you know, actual research:

DDE-induced eggshell thinning: an environmental detective story
David B. Peakall
Environmental Reviews, 1993, 1(1): 13-20, 10.1139/a93-002
ABSTRACT
This is a personal account of the investigation of DDE-induced eggshell thinning and the subsequent use of this information in the legal battle over the banning of DDT. The article focuses on the toxicological effects of DDT on the peregrine falcon, Falco peregrinus, although the effects on other species are briefly considered. The peregrine falcon population crashed throughout the Holarctic region in the 1950s and 1960s. Eggshell thinning was discovered in British peregrines in 1967 and was soon found to be a global phenomenon. The relationship between dichlorodiphenyldichloroethylene (DDE) residues and eggshell thinning was established by the beginning of the 1970s. Information on the effect of DDE on the peregrine falcon formed an important part of the evidence that led to the banning of DDT, and since a ban has been implemented in many countries the peregrine populations have improved in most areas.Key words: peregrine falcon, DDE, eggshell thinning.

Perhaps the seminal article:
Science 11 July 1969:
Vol. 165 no. 3889 pp. 199-200
DOI: 10.1126/science.165.3889.199
Dieldrin and DDT: Effects on Sparrow Hawk Eggshells and Reproduction
Richard D. Porter and Stanley N. Wiemeyer
Bureau of Sport Fisheries and Wildlife, Patuxent Wildlife Research Center, Laurel, Maryland 20810
ABSTRACT
Patterns of reproductive failure in declining populations of several European and North American raptorial species were duplicated experimentally with captive American sparrow hawks Falco sparvcrius that were given a diet containing two commonly used organochlorine insecticides. Major effects on reproduction were increased egg disappearance, increased egg destruction by parent birds, and reduced eggshell thickness.

We could go on all night....But hey, why trust peer-reviewed research when you can "trust" Heartland?

Oh, you mean the peer-reviewed research that the facts I posted were from?

Funny how that peer-reviewed research doesn't count.

No, your research doesn't count because it's geographic anecdotes. the plural of anecdote is not data.

Wow. You read the source articles awfully quickly, didn't you?

Yeah, I couldn't type that with a straight face. You didn't read any of them. You saw HEARTLAND!! and wet your pants.

You're dismissed.

 

[Old Rocks]

Who said it was?

Watch the movie, "Silent Spring", and you might get a clue.

Little trickling dick I don't want nor need your god damn opinion

Of course you have just proven that you are not a dumb ass redneck with a third grade education by your lucid and objective reply

 

[8537]

"reproductive failure in declining populations of several European and North American raptorial species were duplicated experimentally "

That's what we call actual science.

 

[daveman]

Perhaps you care to read some, you know, actual research from the time. Try Science circa July, 1969. The plural of anecdote is not data.

I didn't provide anecdotes. I provided data.

No, you didn't. Look at the research you copy and pasted. It's a long series of regional studies in small areas. It's scientific anecdotes.

The study in the Journal Science is data. You can't read the article because it's in a peer-reviewed journal article. If you Google it, you can gain access if you have access via a subscription service or a university account....which, by the way, is the same for some of the articles you quote.

How do you know? You didn't look at them.

Just admit you're afraid to look at anything you don't agree with. It's okay, most leftists are driven solely by emotion.

 

[8537]

Oh, you mean the peer-reviewed research that the facts I posted were from?

Funny how that peer-reviewed research doesn't count.

No, your research doesn't count because it's geographic anecdotes. the plural of anecdote is not data.

Wow. You read the source articles awfully quickly, didn't you?

No, nor did you -because they are behind a pay wall. You found a rightwing Heartland site and it fit your world view, so you quoted it...without reading a single related article.

Then, you dismissed perhaps the most detailed experimental research ever performed on the topic - because it challenged your world view.

 

[Old Rocks]

Oh, you mean the peer-reviewed research that the facts I posted were from?

Funny how that peer-reviewed research doesn't count.

No, your research doesn't count because it's geographic anecdotes. the plural of anecdote is not data.

Wow. You read the source articles awfully quickly, didn't you?

Yeah, I couldn't type that with a straight face. You didn't read any of them. You saw HEARTLAND!! and wet your pants.

You're dismissed.

Daveboy, why should anyone with a smidgen of intellect read Heartland for information on any scientific subject. They have proven themselves to be willfully ignorant liars repeatedly. Same as the people that quote them.

 

[Missourian]

Never fear...these are specially bred, genetically engineered Obama birds.

They look and sound like eagles, but inside...they're just chicken.

 

[daveman]

"reproductive failure in declining populations of several European and North American raptorial species were duplicated experimentally "

That's what we call actual science.

Yes, and scientists NEVER falsify data to support an agenda, do they?

 

[8537]

I didn't provide anecdotes. I provided data.

No, you didn't. Look at the research you copy and pasted. It's a long series of regional studies in small areas. It's scientific anecdotes.

The study in the Journal Science is data. You can't read the article because it's in a peer-reviewed journal article. If you Google it, you can gain access if you have access via a subscription service or a university account....which, by the way, is the same for some of the articles you quote.

How do you know? You didn't look at them.
.

Nor did you.

 

[daveman]

No, your research doesn't count because it's geographic anecdotes. the plural of anecdote is not data.

Wow. You read the source articles awfully quickly, didn't you?

No, nor did you -because they are behind a pay wall. You found a rightwing Heartland site and it fit your world view, so you quoted it...without reading a single related article.

Then, you dismissed perhaps the most detailed experimental research ever performed on the topic - because it challenged your world view.

No, I dismissed it because I couldn't get to it, genius.

 

[daveman]

No, your research doesn't count because it's geographic anecdotes. the plural of anecdote is not data.

Wow. You read the source articles awfully quickly, didn't you?

Yeah, I couldn't type that with a straight face. You didn't read any of them. You saw HEARTLAND!! and wet your pants.

You're dismissed.

Daveboy, why should anyone with a smidgen of intellect read Heartland for information on any scientific subject. They have proven themselves to be willfully ignorant liars repeatedly. Same as the people that quote them.

That's rich, coming from an AGW cultist.