Outlandish: Holocaust "denier's" jail term upped

[Zack]

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Holocaust is used to describe the jew situation for one reason only.... because holocaust means to "to destroy by fire". The Nazis incinerated hundreds, and even thousands of jews in a single day.

The Nazis didn't kill any Jews or anyone else by means of fire.

That's just more Holohoax nonsense to try and keep the myth going.

The National Socialists were accused of several other murder methods including gassing with diesel engines, hot steam, electrocution, burning Jews alive, machine gunning Jews to death, lethal injections, quicklime, vacuum chambers, etc. All of these claims are false and nothing more than the fruit of propaganda.

 

[Zack]

Since they can't prove the "Holocaust" ever happened,

LOL, get your facts right douche bag, there is more evidence on the Holocaust then any other event in history. Its so proven that they toss scum bags like you in jail in Europe for being dumb enough to deny the undeniable!

You have no material or documentary evidence of gassing or an extermination program. The story rests on eyewitnesses and forced confessions.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Zack is simply a troll who can prove nothing against the incontrovertible fact that the Holocaust was real and occured as described in mainstream histories.

I sent some of his stuff off just now to a history professor friend of mine at the U. He collects this type of denial.

 

[GHook93]

Good. Present one.

Are you really as stupid as you are trying to make out? Ever heard of the Holocaust archives held in the North German town of Bad Arolsen. Official Nazi files, which make up one of the largest Holocaust archives in the world, are more than 15 miles long and hold up to 50 million documents, some seized by the Allies as they liberated concentration camps.

The archive was formerly only used as a tracing service for lost relatives, but in 2006 the German government agreed to open it up to historians and researchers. Must be bad news for you ant-semite holocaust deniers.

The archive, known formally as the International Tracing Service (ITS), comprises meticulous Nazi documentation of death camp inmates, conscription workers and others. The records were seized by the Allied forces after the German regime fell in 1945; they also include postwar records the Allies kept on resettling refugees.

They have been central to people searching for loved ones after World War II, especially for Jews whose relatives were sent to Nazi concentration camps, where many millions died.

They have also been used to help people who were victims of Nazi forced labor programs seek indemnification under international agreements made after the war.

The ITS still receives hundreds of thousands of inquiries each year about people possibly mentioned in the records.

Researchers and historians of the Holocaust have been especially critical of the policy to restrict access to the ITS, arguing the documents would help complete a picture of the Nazi slaughter of millions of Jews.

Show the Nazi documents that prove Jews are to gassed at Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, Auschwitz, Chelmno, Stutoff, and Majdanek. You can't.

i have a better idea: Why not you go fuck yourself! Why would anyone waste any time doing that?

It's been so overly proven that its insulting to even request a person has to prove it!

 

[Sunni Man]

Since they can't prove the "Holocaust" ever happened,

LOL, get your facts right douche bag, there is more evidence on the Holocaust then any other event in history. Its so proven that they toss scum bags like you in jail in Europe for being dumb enough to deny the undeniable!

No, they put people in jail because they are afraid that the Holohoax Myth will be exposed for the outright fraud that it is.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sunni Man, I believe in free speech, I don't believe people should be jailed for telling lies about the holocaust being a myth, so that the light of the truth shines forth against the darkness of denial.

 

[britishbulldog]

Holocaust deniers should be executed. Which is why we should nuke Iran; they all deny it there.

Free Speech allows one to burn bibles and burn the American flag and draw images of Muhammad and curse Christianity but don't deny the alleged holocaust. This is outlandish that a thought can land you in jail. Americans will soon be victim to this when questioning the Holocaust.

Holocaust denier's jail term upped - General News - Austrian Times Online News - English Newspaper

An infamous neo-Nazi has had his prison sentence extended over controversial statements in two books.

Gerd Honsik was sentenced to two years in prison by Vienna Criminal Court judge Andreas Böhm yesterday (Fri).

The 68-year-old Austrian doubted the existence of gas chambers at Nazi era death camps in his books "Der Juden Drittes Reich" (The Jews’s Third Reich) and "Schelm und Scheusal" (Prankster and Monster).

Honsik was convicted of breaking Austrian laws against spreading Nazi ideology in his book "Freispruch für Hitler?"...

Not a Homeland forumn issue, moving thread to Europe forum

 

[Zack]

Zack is simply a troll who can prove nothing against the incontrovertible fact that the Holocaust was real and occured as described in mainstream histories.

I sent some of his stuff off just now to a history professor friend of mine at the U. He collects this type of denial.

Well, mainstream historians put far too much stock in eyewitness testimonies, which in this case, are full of contradictions (i.e. they can't agree on the number of Zyklon B openings) and technical absurdities (i.e. collecting fat from burning corpses to use as fuel). They also ignore the hierarchy of evidentiary value (and it is pretty universal) which places material evidence at the top (which has the highest value), followed by documents (which have intermediate value), and last by testimonies (which have the lowest value). Where is most of the "evidence" for the "Holocaust" concentrated? That's right - the testimonies and "confessions" of National Socialists (which were brought about by torture [i.e. sleep deprivation, physical abuse]). You have no smoking gun in either material or evidentiary form, and you know it.

 

[Zack]

Are you really as stupid as you are trying to make out? Ever heard of the Holocaust archives held in the North German town of Bad Arolsen. Official Nazi files, which make up one of the largest Holocaust archives in the world, are more than 15 miles long and hold up to 50 million documents, some seized by the Allies as they liberated concentration camps.

The archive was formerly only used as a tracing service for lost relatives, but in 2006 the German government agreed to open it up to historians and researchers. Must be bad news for you ant-semite holocaust deniers.

Show the Nazi documents that prove Jews are to gassed at Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, Auschwitz, Chelmno, Stutoff, and Majdanek. You can't.

i have a better idea: Why not you go fuck yourself! Why would anyone waste any time doing that?

It's been so overly proven that its insulting to even request a person has to prove it!

It has not been proven. If this matter can be brought to a (fair) court, you would be defeated by the revisionists.

Since this thread is a waste of time for you, leave.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nope, Zach and Sunni Man, the histories are clear and convincing with contemporary records and other evidence, besides the interviews. There is no question of what happened and the extent of what happened. So keep posting for all of us who do know better so that we can have fun here.

 

[Sunni Man]

All I would like to see is an open discussion by historians and scholars concerning the so called Holocaust.

With out calling people anti-semitic and nazi for discussing the event.

In every other historical event; Alamo, Pearl Harbor, Gettysburg, Tet, etc

There has always been a lively debate between historians, scholars, and academics on various aspects of the event.

Except the so called Holocaust.

There is NO debate or questioning allowed or tolerated.

Which brings up the question: Why? Is there something to hide??

 

[JakeStarkey]

The discussion is open to critical thinking. What is not open to question is (1) that it happened, and (2) that it happened to such an awful, catastrophic extent. What is not open is a re-examination of the contemporary evidence.

What you can do is bring new evidence to the debate that clearly limits the catastrophe and its effects.

No one has ever done that.

 

[Sunni Man]

The discussion is open to critical thinking. What is not open to question is (1) that it happened, and (2) that it happened to such an awful, catastrophic extent. What is not open is a re-examination of the contemporary evidence.

What you can do is bring new evidence to the debate that clearly limits the catastrophe and its effects.

No one has ever done that.

Many people have tried but are instantly labeled as anti semitic or nazis.

For any historian or scholar to question even the smallest detail of the so called Holocaust is career suicide.

Which basically leaves the Holocaust unexamined by modern historians.

The alleged event took place over 65 years ago.

So critical examination is way over due and sorely needed.

 

[Marc39]

The discussion is open to critical thinking. What is not open to question is (1) that it happened, and (2) that it happened to such an awful, catastrophic extent. What is not open is a re-examination of the contemporary evidence.

What you can do is bring new evidence to the debate that clearly limits the catastrophe and its effects.

No one has ever done that.

Many people have tried but are instantly labeled as anti semitic or nazis.

For any historian or scholar to question even the smallest detail of the so called Holocaust is career suicide.

Which basically leaves the Holocaust unexamined by modern historians.

The alleged event took place over 65 years ago.

So critical examination is way over due and sorely needed.

The Turkish Muhammadan denies his role in the genocide of 2 million Armenians. If you do not deny the Armenian holocaust in Turkey, you go to jail.

Maybe, if you focused more on lifting your backward Medieval ass out of the Middle Ages, Arabs and Muslims wouldn't be the laughing stock of the world

 

[JakeStarkey]

Until the Muslims on the wack denial patrol get straightened out, this nonsense continues.

 

[MikeK]

What happened in Germany during the rise of the Third Reich is correctly referred to as a pogrom. But in using that proper term one necessarily refers to a number of victim categories, including Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, habitual criminals, the insane and hopelessly disabled, disloyal Germans, communists and Catholics, all of whom were eventually identified, arrested and sent to concentration camps.

But Professor Norman Finkelstein, himself a Jew whose parents survived the pogrom, explains in his controversial book, The Holocaust Industry, that the term Holocaust was adopted by Zionists to achieve the obvious and specific purpose of implicitly assigning exclusive ownership of the exceptional victim status imparted by the Nazi pogrom to Jews.

The effort has been undeniably successful because the word holocaust is now capitalized in common usage and is universally associated with Jews and their status as victims. The world has effectively forgotten that it was not only Jews who suffered in the Nazi pogrom.

Professor Finkelstein, who now is popularly denounced by Zionists as a "self-hating Jew," goes on to explain how the so-called Holocaust is being perpetuated by a surreptitiously active and exceptionally effective public relations campaign which maintains Holocaust museums in nearly every major city in the developed world, including three in Manhattan, one of which is taxpayer funded. For a list of these museums, go here: Holocaust Museums

 

[JakeStarkey]

Professor Finkelstein peddles horse crap for notoriety.

This is something the wacks on the far left and the far right try to do all the time: create new definitions so they can recreate "reality."

Peddle it elsewhere, MikeK. No buyers here.

 

[DiveCon]

Professor Finkelstein peddles horse crap for notoriety.

This is something the wacks on the far left and the far right try to do all the time: create new definitions so they can recreate "reality."

Peddle it elsewhere, MikeK. No buyers here.

WOW you actually said something negative about some on the left

thats a first

 

[Sunni Man]

Professor Finkelstein is a brave patrioitic America who risks his life daily by standing up to the evil ZOG cabal that has take over our country.

 

[MikeK]

Living in contemporary America with a German last name is meaningless and irrelevant. But I can assure that this was not so during the War years and for awhile thereafter. And the main reason why many German/Americans came to wish their last names were Smith or Jones are some of the things we heard and read about what the Germans did to the Jews. We heard it on the radio, read it in the newspapers, heard it discussed by our parents and their friends and the ultimate effect was to quietly wish we were Irish or Italian or anything other than German.

I grew up believing that Germans were innately sadistic people and the only reason my paternal grandparents weren't like that is because they became Americans. I actually had that worked out in my mind.

Among other incredibly cruel things I believed the Germans actually boiled Jews in big vats so to render the fat from their bodies to make soap with. I believed they stripped the skin from Jews and used their tattooed skin to make lampshades. I believed these things throughout my childhood, throughout my teens and twenties and well into my thirties, which is when I first began hearing that the soap and lampshade stories were myths and those things never happened. Soap Story

The point I'm making here, and which is referenced in the article, is when you find out there really is no Santa Claus it is natural to wonder about the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, the Hallowe'en Witch and a lot of other things you've been led to believe.