Our country is dying and is in need of its people to save her

[Mac1958]

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A big, perhaps the biggest, problem is a system that allows (a) for career politicians and (b) the buying off of those politicians by a very small amount of people. Fix those two problems and the behavior of our "leaders" (cough cough) will change.

It will take We The People to do that, though.

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[Mr. Shaman]

I noticed throughout history that countries usually lose their standing in the world as their military weakens.

Yeah.....all we've gotta do is......

.....OUT-$PEND everyone-else!!!!!!

 

[mudwhistle]

The voters are doing something.
It's called the Tea Party. They are regular people, who have stepped up to change Washington D.C.
They are doing it, because of all the vilifying talk about them, blaming them, that they are the ones who are extreme.
You know you are doing something right when that happens.
You can't have a new Revolution and not expect to be vilified by those in power, who will not go going willingly and is putting up a vicious fight,with lies and accusations.

I hear this too often; "We must be doing something right if they are so pissed about it".

The left vilifies people because that's what they do. They select targets and they attack. They aren't reacting to anything we're doing. They're trying to push us over to their way of thinking.

I agree, but this is the first time we have ever had the Senate leader refusing to pass bills because of the Tea Party.

That same Senate leader's actions gave rise to the Tea Party.

The Tea Party is the silent majority finally getting fed up with what's going on in Washington. Now they're part of the political fabric. For this they are called terrorists by the White House. This is just an attempt to demagogue them and make them look like they're a joke at the same time they support the OWS.

The Tea Party put a stop to most of the spending and yet Obama tried to take credit for it.


The Tea Party can't keep these people from lying.

 

[bitterlyclingin]

"The tree of Liberty and Freedom needs to periodically fertilized with the blood of Patriots."
Safety and Liberty are inversely proportional to each other, case in point William Jefferson Clinton's VAWA automatically made men second class citizens in this country. The only reason it was passed was because Mr Clinton's philandering history was so egregious that NOW and NARAL were able to hold a scalpel to the base of his scrotum his entire Presidency getting whatever measure protecting and benefitting women passed however and whenever, no matter how Unconstitutional it was. Since then no one group has had the cojones to take these measures to the courts to have them invalidated.
But its not only in gender relationships. Why are seatbelts and motorcycle helmets required? How and why does the State have more authority over the upbringing of our children than the parents do?
Its long past the time the people took the scalpel to the state's scrotum.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The voters are doing something.
It's called the Tea Party. They are regular people, who have stepped up to change Washington D.C.

Bullshit!!!​

Tea Party, MY ASS!!!!​

"This was nothing other than the Republican Party stealing the anger of a population that was fed up with the Republican Party’s own theft of their tax money at gunpoint to bail out the robbers of Wall Street and fraudulently redirecting it back toward electing the very people who stole all the fucking money!”

How 'bout we allow INTELLIGENT-PEOPLE to take the wheel, INSTEAD (for a Change)?????


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y]9.12 DC TEA PARTY - March Footage with Interviews - YouTube[/ame]
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fevga9jUC48]9.12 DC TEA PARTY - Interview B-Roll - YouTube[/ame]


.....'Cause THESE ASSHOLES were a few-credits short of an ELEMENTARY-EDUCATION!!!​

 

[Seawytch]

What a bunch of Drama Queens.

Our country isn't dying, but I've noticed that extremist believe that if their party isn't in power.

Who's one of the richest country in the world? We are.

Who has the largest military in the world (by a VERY large margin)? We do.

 

[G.T.]

The Country is not dying. That's on some drama-queen bullshit.

The power-structure is failing. Good!~

The ghettos are slightly growing. That's just what happens when you have population growth.

The day to day here is fine. Move along.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

What a bunch of Drama Queens.

Our country isn't dying, but I've noticed that extremists believe that if their party isn't in power.

.....And, we surely did get an Early Warning on THAT one!!


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxDgRr_Ynvc&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLA11972639E54C010]Right America Feeling Wronged pt1 - YouTube[/ame]​

 

[Artevelde]

Support public financing of elections. Not only would more voices be heard because they're not swamped out by incumbent money, but also the winners would have fewer expensive promises to keep, saving us money in the long run.

How bout single-payer elections funded by donations that go into one pot that is split evenly between parties?

It would be hard to get people to contribute to a general fund. I think paying for it with tax money would still be cheaper in the long run. I don't see giving money to parties anyway. It'd be better to think in terms of individuals and break the stranglehold of the two-party system.

So if 200,000 people want to be candidate for US President they all get money?

 

[Artevelde]

What a bunch of Drama Queens.

Our country isn't dying, but I've noticed that extremist believe that if their party isn't in power.

Who's one of the richest country in the world? We are.

Who has the largest military in the world (by a VERY large margin)? We do.

Try to get your facts straigth. The US does NOT have the largest military in the world. The Best and the strongest, yes. But the largest, no.

 

[Seawytch]

What a bunch of Drama Queens.

Our country isn't dying, but I've noticed that extremist believe that if their party isn't in power.

Who's one of the richest country in the world? We are.

Who has the largest military in the world (by a VERY large margin)? We do.

Try to get your facts straigth. The US does NOT have the largest military in the world. The Best and the strongest, yes. But the largest, no.

Oh look, here are facts (sourced I might add)

The Ten Largest Military Powers In The World

5. Russia
> Spending 2010: $[58.7] Billion
> Change 2001 – 2010: 82.4%
> Share of GDP: [4]%
Although Russian military spending decreased 1.4% from 2009 to 2010, it increased 82.4% over the entire decade. According to the BBC, Russia has plans to spend $650 billion on defense between now and 2020. According to


Russian Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin, this money would be used to modernize the country’s armed forces. It currently relies heavily on the nuclear arsenal built during the Cold War.

4. France
> Spending 2010: $59.3 Billion
> Change 2001 – 2010: 3.3%
> Share of GDP: 2.3%
While France’s military spending increased 3.3% over the past decade, it decreased a stunning 8.4% from 2009 to 2010. This decrease, which is by far the largest on our list, is mostly the result of the global economic crisis. The crisis was severe in Europe, and hit France especially hard. This has caused the government under Nicolas Sarkozy to make large cuts to rein in the deficit.

3. UK
> Spending 2010: $59.6 Billion
> Change 2001 – 2010: 21.9%
> Share of GDP: 2.7%
The United Kingdom surpassed France in amount spent on military in 2010. Despite a growth of 21.9% in spending over the decade, the UK’s military expenditures dropped 0.8% from 2009 to 2010. This amount will most likely decrease more in 2011. In late 2010, Prime Minister David Cameron announced that the country would be making defense cuts, including cutting 17,000 troops, to help bring down the debt. The country will instead focus more on its special forces, which includes its counter-terrorism units.

2. China
> Spending 2010: $[119] Billion
> Change 2001 – 2010: 189%
> Share of GDP: [2.1]%
China spent the second greatest amount on the military in 2010, and the amount is growing quickly. From 2001 to 2010, the country’s military expenditures increased 189%. This is more than double the amount of any other country on this list. Weak economic performance in 2009 caused the 2009-2010 increase to only be 3.8%. Spending in 2011 will increase by 12.7%, according to the BBC. It should be noted, however, that many analysts believe China’s defense spending is higher than the country reports.

1. USA
> Spending 2010: $698 Billion
> Change 2001 – 2010: 81.3%
> Share of GDP: 4.8%
The United States spent just under $700 billion on its military in 2010, more than all the other countries on this list combined. The amount of GDP which goes towards defense has also risen in the US from 3.1% in 2001 to an estimated 4.8% in 2010. This is the highest amount among countries with reliable military spending data outside of the Middle East. Even with the country’s large debt, military spending seems to be untouchable in the political realm. As the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute’s report says: “President Obama’s FY2012 budget announced a 5-year freeze on non-security-related discretionary expenditure, but military spending, along with other security spending such as intelligence and Homeland Security is exempt.”

 

[Artevelde]

What a bunch of Drama Queens.

Our country isn't dying, but I've noticed that extremist believe that if their party isn't in power.

Who's one of the richest country in the world? We are.

Who has the largest military in the world (by a VERY large margin)? We do.

Try to get your facts straigth. The US does NOT have the largest military in the world. The Best and the strongest, yes. But the largest, no.

Oh look, here are facts (sourced I might add)

The Ten Largest Military Powers In The World

5. Russia
> Spending 2010: $[58.7] Billion
> Change 2001 – 2010: 82.4%
> Share of GDP: [4]%
Although Russian military spending decreased 1.4% from 2009 to 2010, it increased 82.4% over the entire decade. According to the BBC, Russia has plans to spend $650 billion on defense between now and 2020. According to


Russian Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin, this money would be used to modernize the country’s armed forces. It currently relies heavily on the nuclear arsenal built during the Cold War.

4. France
> Spending 2010: $59.3 Billion
> Change 2001 – 2010: 3.3%
> Share of GDP: 2.3%
While France’s military spending increased 3.3% over the past decade, it decreased a stunning 8.4% from 2009 to 2010. This decrease, which is by far the largest on our list, is mostly the result of the global economic crisis. The crisis was severe in Europe, and hit France especially hard. This has caused the government under Nicolas Sarkozy to make large cuts to rein in the deficit.

3. UK
> Spending 2010: $59.6 Billion
> Change 2001 – 2010: 21.9%
> Share of GDP: 2.7%
The United Kingdom surpassed France in amount spent on military in 2010. Despite a growth of 21.9% in spending over the decade, the UK’s military expenditures dropped 0.8% from 2009 to 2010. This amount will most likely decrease more in 2011. In late 2010, Prime Minister David Cameron announced that the country would be making defense cuts, including cutting 17,000 troops, to help bring down the debt. The country will instead focus more on its special forces, which includes its counter-terrorism units.

2. China
> Spending 2010: $[119] Billion
> Change 2001 – 2010: 189%
> Share of GDP: [2.1]%
China spent the second greatest amount on the military in 2010, and the amount is growing quickly. From 2001 to 2010, the country’s military expenditures increased 189%. This is more than double the amount of any other country on this list. Weak economic performance in 2009 caused the 2009-2010 increase to only be 3.8%. Spending in 2011 will increase by 12.7%, according to the BBC. It should be noted, however, that many analysts believe China’s defense spending is higher than the country reports.

1. USA
> Spending 2010: $698 Billion
> Change 2001 – 2010: 81.3%
> Share of GDP: 4.8%
The United States spent just under $700 billion on its military in 2010, more than all the other countries on this list combined. The amount of GDP which goes towards defense has also risen in the US from 3.1% in 2001 to an estimated 4.8% in 2010. This is the highest amount among countries with reliable military spending data outside of the Middle East. Even with the country’s large debt, military spending seems to be untouchable in the political realm. As the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute’s report says: “President Obama’s FY2012 budget announced a 5-year freeze on non-security-related discretionary expenditure, but military spending, along with other security spending such as intelligence and Homeland Security is exempt.”

Those are financial statistics that are simply not comparable. The plain fact is that the Armed Forces of China are considerably larger than those of the US. That is a fact. There is no need to lie about it.

 

[Seawytch]

Try to get your facts straigth. The US does NOT have the largest military in the world. The Best and the strongest, yes. But the largest, no.

Oh look, here are facts (sourced I might add)

The Ten Largest Military Powers In The World

5. Russia
> Spending 2010: $[58.7] Billion
> Change 2001 – 2010: 82.4%
> Share of GDP: [4]%
Although Russian military spending decreased 1.4% from 2009 to 2010, it increased 82.4% over the entire decade. According to the BBC, Russia has plans to spend $650 billion on defense between now and 2020. According to


Russian Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin, this money would be used to modernize the country’s armed forces. It currently relies heavily on the nuclear arsenal built during the Cold War.

4. France
> Spending 2010: $59.3 Billion
> Change 2001 – 2010: 3.3%
> Share of GDP: 2.3%
While France’s military spending increased 3.3% over the past decade, it decreased a stunning 8.4% from 2009 to 2010. This decrease, which is by far the largest on our list, is mostly the result of the global economic crisis. The crisis was severe in Europe, and hit France especially hard. This has caused the government under Nicolas Sarkozy to make large cuts to rein in the deficit.

3. UK
> Spending 2010: $59.6 Billion
> Change 2001 – 2010: 21.9%
> Share of GDP: 2.7%
The United Kingdom surpassed France in amount spent on military in 2010. Despite a growth of 21.9% in spending over the decade, the UK’s military expenditures dropped 0.8% from 2009 to 2010. This amount will most likely decrease more in 2011. In late 2010, Prime Minister David Cameron announced that the country would be making defense cuts, including cutting 17,000 troops, to help bring down the debt. The country will instead focus more on its special forces, which includes its counter-terrorism units.

2. China
> Spending 2010: $[119] Billion
> Change 2001 – 2010: 189%
> Share of GDP: [2.1]%
China spent the second greatest amount on the military in 2010, and the amount is growing quickly. From 2001 to 2010, the country’s military expenditures increased 189%. This is more than double the amount of any other country on this list. Weak economic performance in 2009 caused the 2009-2010 increase to only be 3.8%. Spending in 2011 will increase by 12.7%, according to the BBC. It should be noted, however, that many analysts believe China’s defense spending is higher than the country reports.

1. USA
> Spending 2010: $698 Billion
> Change 2001 – 2010: 81.3%
> Share of GDP: 4.8%
The United States spent just under $700 billion on its military in 2010, more than all the other countries on this list combined. The amount of GDP which goes towards defense has also risen in the US from 3.1% in 2001 to an estimated 4.8% in 2010. This is the highest amount among countries with reliable military spending data outside of the Middle East. Even with the country’s large debt, military spending seems to be untouchable in the political realm. As the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute’s report says: “President Obama’s FY2012 budget announced a 5-year freeze on non-security-related discretionary expenditure, but military spending, along with other security spending such as intelligence and Homeland Security is exempt.”

Those are financial statistics that are simply not comparable. The plain fact is that the Armed Forces of China are considerably larger than those of the US. That is a fact. There is no need to lie about it.

No, China has more personnel, that doesn't make them "bigger". We still have the largest military and the largest military presence.

We can afford to shrink A LOT more.

 

[Artevelde]

Oh look, here are facts (sourced I might add)

The Ten Largest Military Powers In The World

5. Russia
> Spending 2010: $[58.7] Billion
> Change 2001 – 2010: 82.4%
> Share of GDP: [4]%
Although Russian military spending decreased 1.4% from 2009 to 2010, it increased 82.4% over the entire decade. According to the BBC, Russia has plans to spend $650 billion on defense between now and 2020. According to


Russian Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin, this money would be used to modernize the country’s armed forces. It currently relies heavily on the nuclear arsenal built during the Cold War.

4. France
> Spending 2010: $59.3 Billion
> Change 2001 – 2010: 3.3%
> Share of GDP: 2.3%
While France’s military spending increased 3.3% over the past decade, it decreased a stunning 8.4% from 2009 to 2010. This decrease, which is by far the largest on our list, is mostly the result of the global economic crisis. The crisis was severe in Europe, and hit France especially hard. This has caused the government under Nicolas Sarkozy to make large cuts to rein in the deficit.

3. UK
> Spending 2010: $59.6 Billion
> Change 2001 – 2010: 21.9%
> Share of GDP: 2.7%
The United Kingdom surpassed France in amount spent on military in 2010. Despite a growth of 21.9% in spending over the decade, the UK’s military expenditures dropped 0.8% from 2009 to 2010. This amount will most likely decrease more in 2011. In late 2010, Prime Minister David Cameron announced that the country would be making defense cuts, including cutting 17,000 troops, to help bring down the debt. The country will instead focus more on its special forces, which includes its counter-terrorism units.

2. China
> Spending 2010: $[119] Billion
> Change 2001 – 2010: 189%
> Share of GDP: [2.1]%
China spent the second greatest amount on the military in 2010, and the amount is growing quickly. From 2001 to 2010, the country’s military expenditures increased 189%. This is more than double the amount of any other country on this list. Weak economic performance in 2009 caused the 2009-2010 increase to only be 3.8%. Spending in 2011 will increase by 12.7%, according to the BBC. It should be noted, however, that many analysts believe China’s defense spending is higher than the country reports.

1. USA
> Spending 2010: $698 Billion
> Change 2001 – 2010: 81.3%
> Share of GDP: 4.8%
The United States spent just under $700 billion on its military in 2010, more than all the other countries on this list combined. The amount of GDP which goes towards defense has also risen in the US from 3.1% in 2001 to an estimated 4.8% in 2010. This is the highest amount among countries with reliable military spending data outside of the Middle East. Even with the country’s large debt, military spending seems to be untouchable in the political realm. As the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute’s report says: “President Obama’s FY2012 budget announced a 5-year freeze on non-security-related discretionary expenditure, but military spending, along with other security spending such as intelligence and Homeland Security is exempt.”

Those are financial statistics that are simply not comparable. The plain fact is that the Armed Forces of China are considerably larger than those of the US. That is a fact. There is no need to lie about it.

No, China has more personnel, that doesn't make them "bigger". We still have the largest military and the largest military presence.

We can afford to shrink A LOT more.

Thaty is pretty dumb. According to you armed forces of 2,5 million are smaller than armed forces of 1,5 million. You are clearly mathematically challenged.

 

[Seawytch]

Those are financial statistics that are simply not comparable. The plain fact is that the Armed Forces of China are considerably larger than those of the US. That is a fact. There is no need to lie about it.

No, China has more personnel, that doesn't make them "bigger". We still have the largest military and the largest military presence.

We can afford to shrink A LOT more.

Thaty is pretty dumb. According to you armed forces of 2,5 million are smaller than armed forces of 1,5 million. You are clearly mathematically challenged.

Google "largest military in the world" and tell me how often the list comes up with China at the top. Better yet, provide a source that claims that the U.S. isn't the largest military in the world.

The number one military super power in the world IS the United States. No amount of neg repping is going to change that fact.

 

[Artevelde]

No, China has more personnel, that doesn't make them "bigger". We still have the largest military and the largest military presence.

We can afford to shrink A LOT more.

Thaty is pretty dumb. According to you armed forces of 2,5 million are smaller than armed forces of 1,5 million. You are clearly mathematically challenged.

Google "largest military in the world" and tell me how often the list comes up with China at the top. Better yet, provide a source that claims that the U.S. isn't the largest military in the world.

The number one military super power in the world IS the United States. No amount of neg repping is going to change that fact.

How stupid are you? Show me any source that claims China has less people under arms than the US. Show me any source that says that 2,5 million is less than 1,5 million.

 

[tjvh]

Thaty is pretty dumb. According to you armed forces of 2,5 million are smaller than armed forces of 1,5 million. You are clearly mathematically challenged.

Google "largest military in the world" and tell me how often the list comes up with China at the top. Better yet, provide a source that claims that the U.S. isn't the largest military in the world.

The number one military super power in the world IS the United States. No amount of neg repping is going to change that fact.

How stupid are you? Show me any source that claims China has less people under arms than the US. Show me any source that says that 2,5 million is less than 1,5 million.

By "head count", yes China wins. Factor in Technology and their head count only means more body bags. The United States Military is FAR superior.

 

[Seawytch]

Thaty is pretty dumb. According to you armed forces of 2,5 million are smaller than armed forces of 1,5 million. You are clearly mathematically challenged.

Google "largest military in the world" and tell me how often the list comes up with China at the top. Better yet, provide a source that claims that the U.S. isn't the largest military in the world.

The number one military super power in the world IS the United States. No amount of neg repping is going to change that fact.

How stupid are you? Show me any source that claims China has less people under arms than the US. Show me any source that says that 2,5 million is less than 1,5 million.

To start with, I'm not stupid, but you are an asshole. Even if I was, I can get smarter, but you'd still be an asshole.

The FACT is that America (who is NOT dying) is the number one military superpower in the world. The fact that China has more cannon fodder doesn't change MY facts in the slightest.

 

[Artevelde]

Google "largest military in the world" and tell me how often the list comes up with China at the top. Better yet, provide a source that claims that the U.S. isn't the largest military in the world.

The number one military super power in the world IS the United States. No amount of neg repping is going to change that fact.

How stupid are you? Show me any source that claims China has less people under arms than the US. Show me any source that says that 2,5 million is less than 1,5 million.

By "head count", yes China wins. Factor in Technology and their head count only means more body bags. The United States Military is FAR superior.

That is exactly what I wrote: the US does have the best and the strongest armed forces, but NOT the largest. Some people here seem to be mathematically challenged.

 

[Artevelde]

Google "largest military in the world" and tell me how often the list comes up with China at the top. Better yet, provide a source that claims that the U.S. isn't the largest military in the world.

The number one military super power in the world IS the United States. No amount of neg repping is going to change that fact.

How stupid are you? Show me any source that claims China has less people under arms than the US. Show me any source that says that 2,5 million is less than 1,5 million.

To start with, I'm not stupid, but you are an asshole. Even if I was, I can get smarter, but you'd still be an asshole.

The FACT is that America (who is NOT dying) is the number one military superpower in the world. The fact that China has more cannon fodder doesn't change MY facts in the slightest.

I never claimed America was dying or that it wasn't the strongest military superpower. (apparently reading is a challenge for you too). But I did show that your claim that the US has the largest armed forces in the world is not a fact but a lie.