Origin of life Thread: Chemistry of seabed's hot vents could explain emergence of life

[orogenicman]

Yes, but the problem with your assessment is, it's a very plausible way to explain the formation of life, supported by observations and our understanding of the world, it may be extremely implausible, but given billions of years, who knows? Then again, we're lucky this planet has life at all ,let alone that we evolved.

Billions of years vs a numbers with 6,000 zeros for it to work as you suppose means you run out out years after only lets be very generous and say the reaction happens once a second over a billion years, you run out of time after knocking off only 16 zeros. Say the exact set of chemical hit together every 1/10th of a second, wow 17 zeros. 17 out of 6,000!

Do you understand why your theory must fail?

Thank you for TRYING to contribute with your vast knowledge in creation "science" little Frankie

It sucks that the math destroys your theory.

"If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."--Charles Darwin, Origin of Species

Each protein has a specific function, so even if the Magical Theory of Evolution worked and created random proteins, in order to work they would have to align themselves EXACTLY and function PERFECTLY with their new neighbors. You see how mathematically impossible a task this is if these cell components organized by chance. You'd have to be a Cell Complexity Denier to believe that chance was responsible.

But proteins are not rigid lumps of material. They can have moving parts whose mechanical actions are coupled to chemical events. It is this coupling of chemistry and kinetics that gives proteins the extraordinary capabilities that underlie the dynamic processes in living cells.

But the proteins only function as part of the cell, they switch on at specific times and perform specific tasks! Its like having a box of parts to a swiss watch and shaking it in the hopes it will assemble itself properly

The watchmaker analogy was refuted more than 80 years ago, and more recently, was put to shame during the Dover trial. Care to comment on that fact?

As for proteins, since the are part of the make up of a cell, it is only natural that they function as part of the cell. Duh. The times in which they preform functions, and the specific tasks they perform are dependent on the type of protein involved, in the same way that each element on the periodic table has specific properties that identify them. In other words, it's chemistry.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Billions of years vs a numbers with 6,000 zeros for it to work as you suppose means you run out out years after only lets be very generous and say the reaction happens once a second over a billion years, you run out of time after knocking off only 16 zeros. Say the exact set of chemical hit together every 1/10th of a second, wow 17 zeros. 17 out of 6,000!

Do you understand why your theory must fail?

Thank you for TRYING to contribute with your vast knowledge in creation "science" little Frankie

It sucks that the math destroys your theory.

"If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."--Charles Darwin, Origin of Species

Each protein has a specific function, so even if the Magical Theory of Evolution worked and created random proteins, in order to work they would have to align themselves EXACTLY and function PERFECTLY with their new neighbors. You see how mathematically impossible a task this is if these cell components organized by chance. You'd have to be a Cell Complexity Denier to believe that chance was responsible.

But proteins are not rigid lumps of material. They can have moving parts whose mechanical actions are coupled to chemical events. It is this coupling of chemistry and kinetics that gives proteins the extraordinary capabilities that underlie the dynamic processes in living cells.

But the proteins only function as part of the cell, they switch on at specific times and perform specific tasks! Its like having a box of parts to a swiss watch and shaking it in the hopes it will assemble itself properly

The watchmaker analogy was refuted more than 80 years ago, and more recently, was put to shame during the Dover trial. Care to comment on that fact?

As for proteins, since the are part of the make up of a cell, it is only natural that they function as part of the cell. Duh. The times in which they preform functions, and the specific tasks they perform are dependent on the type of protein involved, in the same way that each element on the periodic table has specific properties that identify them. In other words, it's chemistry.

If it's only chemistry and random chemical combination then Evolution fails under the sheer weight of numbers

You think Judge Jones failed, flawed ruling on Dover is a final word?

LOlz

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Billions of years vs a numbers with 6,000 zeros for it to work as you suppose means you run out out years after only lets be very generous and say the reaction happens once a second over a billion years, you run out of time after knocking off only 16 zeros. Say the exact set of chemical hit together every 1/10th of a second, wow 17 zeros. 17 out of 6,000!

Do you understand why your theory must fail?

Thank you for TRYING to contribute with your vast knowledge in creation "science" little Frankie

It sucks that the math destroys your theory.

"If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."--Charles Darwin, Origin of Species

Each protein has a specific function, so even if the Magical Theory of Evolution worked and created random proteins, in order to work they would have to align themselves EXACTLY and function PERFECTLY with their new neighbors. You see how mathematically impossible a task this is if these cell components organized by chance. You'd have to be a Cell Complexity Denier to believe that chance was responsible.

But proteins are not rigid lumps of material. They can have moving parts whose mechanical actions are coupled to chemical events. It is this coupling of chemistry and kinetics that gives proteins the extraordinary capabilities that underlie the dynamic processes in living cells.

But the proteins only function as part of the cell, they switch on at specific times and perform specific tasks! Its like having a box of parts to a swiss watch and shaking it in the hopes it will assemble itself properly

The watchmaker analogy was refuted more than 80 years ago, and more recently, was put to shame during the Dover trial. Care to comment on that fact?

As for proteins, since the are part of the make up of a cell, it is only natural that they function as part of the cell. Duh. The times in which they preform functions, and the specific tasks they perform are dependent on the type of protein involved, in the same way that each element on the periodic table has specific properties that identify them. In other words, it's chemistry.

Can you please show me the refutation of the "Watchmaker argument"?

 

[Hollie]

Thank you for TRYING to contribute with your vast knowledge in creation "science" little Frankie

It sucks that the math destroys your theory.

"If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."--Charles Darwin, Origin of Species

Each protein has a specific function, so even if the Magical Theory of Evolution worked and created random proteins, in order to work they would have to align themselves EXACTLY and function PERFECTLY with their new neighbors. You see how mathematically impossible a task this is if these cell components organized by chance. You'd have to be a Cell Complexity Denier to believe that chance was responsible.

But proteins are not rigid lumps of material. They can have moving parts whose mechanical actions are coupled to chemical events. It is this coupling of chemistry and kinetics that gives proteins the extraordinary capabilities that underlie the dynamic processes in living cells.

But the proteins only function as part of the cell, they switch on at specific times and perform specific tasks! Its like having a box of parts to a swiss watch and shaking it in the hopes it will assemble itself properly

The watchmaker analogy was refuted more than 80 years ago, and more recently, was put to shame during the Dover trial. Care to comment on that fact?

As for proteins, since the are part of the make up of a cell, it is only natural that they function as part of the cell. Duh. The times in which they preform functions, and the specific tasks they perform are dependent on the type of protein involved, in the same way that each element on the periodic table has specific properties that identify them. In other words, it's chemistry.

If it's only chemistry and random chemical combination then Evolution fails under the sheer weight of numbers

You think Judge Jones failed, flawed ruling on Dover is a final word?

LOlz

The Dover trial was such a humiliating defeat for the religious right, they haven't dared to slither out from under their rocks.

 

[Hollie]

Yes, but the problem with your assessment is, it's a very plausible way to explain the formation of life, supported by observations and our understanding of the world, it may be extremely implausible, but given billions of years, who knows? Then again, we're lucky this planet has life at all ,let alone that we evolved.

Billions of years vs a numbers with 6,000 zeros for it to work as you suppose means you run out out years after only lets be very generous and say the reaction happens once a second over a billion years, you run out of time after knocking off only 16 zeros. Say the exact set of chemical hit together every 1/10th of a second, wow 17 zeros. 17 out of 6,000!

Do you understand why your theory must fail?

Thank you for TRYING to contribute with your vast knowledge in creation "science" little Frankie

It sucks that the math destroys your theory.

"If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."--Charles Darwin, Origin of Species

Each protein has a specific function, so even if the Magical Theory of Evolution worked and created random proteins, in order to work they would have to align themselves EXACTLY and function PERFECTLY with their new neighbors. You see how mathematically impossible a task this is if these cell components organized by chance. You'd have to be a Cell Complexity Denier to believe that chance was responsible.

But proteins are not rigid lumps of material. They can have moving parts whose mechanical actions are coupled to chemical events. It is this coupling of chemistry and kinetics that gives proteins the extraordinary capabilities that underlie the dynamic processes in living cells.

But the proteins only function as part of the cell, they switch on at specific times and perform specific tasks! Its like having a box of parts to a swiss watch and shaking it in the hopes it will assemble itself properly

That's a typically pointless attempt at analogy which is a staple of the extremist religionists.

Biological organisms evolve, mechanical components do not.

 

[Dot Com]

Plausible as in we could recreate the same situation and observe it?

Of course not, the odds of such an event happening are extraordinary, which is why we only have life on this planet within our solar system, well, we don't know about europa/etc yet, but hopefully soon, none the less, we've formed the compounds, however, expecting a cell to form based on the limited experiments done is ridiculous.

Some might say the odds make it impossible...

Yes, but the problem with your assessment is, it's a very plausible way to explain the formation of life, supported by observations and our understanding of the world, it may be extremely implausible, but given billions of years, who knows? Then again, we're lucky this planet has life at all ,let alone that we evolved.

Billions of years vs a numbers with 6,000 zeros for it to work as you suppose means you run out out years after only lets be very generous and say the reaction happens once a second over a billion years, you run out of time after knocking off only 16 zeros. Say the exact set of chemical hit together every 1/10th of a second, wow 17 zeros. 17 out of 6,000!

Do you understand why your theory must fail?

Thank you for TRYING to contribute with your vast knowledge in creation "science" little Frankie

yeah 57Frank CrusaderFrank

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It sucks that the math destroys your theory.

"If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."--Charles Darwin, Origin of Species

Each protein has a specific function, so even if the Magical Theory of Evolution worked and created random proteins, in order to work they would have to align themselves EXACTLY and function PERFECTLY with their new neighbors. You see how mathematically impossible a task this is if these cell components organized by chance. You'd have to be a Cell Complexity Denier to believe that chance was responsible.

But proteins are not rigid lumps of material. They can have moving parts whose mechanical actions are coupled to chemical events. It is this coupling of chemistry and kinetics that gives proteins the extraordinary capabilities that underlie the dynamic processes in living cells.

But the proteins only function as part of the cell, they switch on at specific times and perform specific tasks! Its like having a box of parts to a swiss watch and shaking it in the hopes it will assemble itself properly

The watchmaker analogy was refuted more than 80 years ago, and more recently, was put to shame during the Dover trial. Care to comment on that fact?

As for proteins, since the are part of the make up of a cell, it is only natural that they function as part of the cell. Duh. The times in which they preform functions, and the specific tasks they perform are dependent on the type of protein involved, in the same way that each element on the periodic table has specific properties that identify them. In other words, it's chemistry.

If it's only chemistry and random chemical combination then Evolution fails under the sheer weight of numbers

You think Judge Jones failed, flawed ruling on Dover is a final word?

LOlz

The Dover trial was such a humiliating defeat for the religious right, they haven't dared to slither out from under their rocks.

Can you highlight the appropriate sections from Judge Jones ruling?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Billions of years vs a numbers with 6,000 zeros for it to work as you suppose means you run out out years after only lets be very generous and say the reaction happens once a second over a billion years, you run out of time after knocking off only 16 zeros. Say the exact set of chemical hit together every 1/10th of a second, wow 17 zeros. 17 out of 6,000!

Do you understand why your theory must fail?

Thank you for TRYING to contribute with your vast knowledge in creation "science" little Frankie

It sucks that the math destroys your theory.

"If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."--Charles Darwin, Origin of Species

Each protein has a specific function, so even if the Magical Theory of Evolution worked and created random proteins, in order to work they would have to align themselves EXACTLY and function PERFECTLY with their new neighbors. You see how mathematically impossible a task this is if these cell components organized by chance. You'd have to be a Cell Complexity Denier to believe that chance was responsible.

But proteins are not rigid lumps of material. They can have moving parts whose mechanical actions are coupled to chemical events. It is this coupling of chemistry and kinetics that gives proteins the extraordinary capabilities that underlie the dynamic processes in living cells.

But the proteins only function as part of the cell, they switch on at specific times and perform specific tasks! Its like having a box of parts to a swiss watch and shaking it in the hopes it will assemble itself properly

That's a typically pointless attempt at analogy which is a staple of the extremist religionists.

Biological organisms evolve, mechanical components do not.

Yes, Honey Boo Boo, we're discussing the mathematical impossibility of proteins and amino acids (left-handed only, don't forget that) "evolving" to form a cell.

You're only convincing argument is to say, "we have cells, therefore they evolved" and I'm not impressed

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Of course not, the odds of such an event happening are extraordinary, which is why we only have life on this planet within our solar system, well, we don't know about europa/etc yet, but hopefully soon, none the less, we've formed the compounds, however, expecting a cell to form based on the limited experiments done is ridiculous.

Some might say the odds make it impossible...

Yes, but the problem with your assessment is, it's a very plausible way to explain the formation of life, supported by observations and our understanding of the world, it may be extremely implausible, but given billions of years, who knows? Then again, we're lucky this planet has life at all ,let alone that we evolved.

Billions of years vs a numbers with 6,000 zeros for it to work as you suppose means you run out out years after only lets be very generous and say the reaction happens once a second over a billion years, you run out of time after knocking off only 16 zeros. Say the exact set of chemical hit together every 1/10th of a second, wow 17 zeros. 17 out of 6,000!

Do you understand why your theory must fail?

Thank you for TRYING to contribute with your vast knowledge in creation "science" little Frankie

yeah 57Frank CrusaderFrank

And if insults were winning arguments, you guys would be winning

 

[Hollie]

But proteins are not rigid lumps of material. They can have moving parts whose mechanical actions are coupled to chemical events. It is this coupling of chemistry and kinetics that gives proteins the extraordinary capabilities that underlie the dynamic processes in living cells.

But the proteins only function as part of the cell, they switch on at specific times and perform specific tasks! Its like having a box of parts to a swiss watch and shaking it in the hopes it will assemble itself properly

The watchmaker analogy was refuted more than 80 years ago, and more recently, was put to shame during the Dover trial. Care to comment on that fact?

As for proteins, since the are part of the make up of a cell, it is only natural that they function as part of the cell. Duh. The times in which they preform functions, and the specific tasks they perform are dependent on the type of protein involved, in the same way that each element on the periodic table has specific properties that identify them. In other words, it's chemistry.

If it's only chemistry and random chemical combination then Evolution fails under the sheer weight of numbers

You think Judge Jones failed, flawed ruling on Dover is a final word?

LOlz

The Dover trial was such a humiliating defeat for the religious right, they haven't dared to slither out from under their rocks.

Can you highlight the appropriate sections from Judge Jones ruling?

But proteins are not rigid lumps of material. They can have moving parts whose mechanical actions are coupled to chemical events. It is this coupling of chemistry and kinetics that gives proteins the extraordinary capabilities that underlie the dynamic processes in living cells.

But the proteins only function as part of the cell, they switch on at specific times and perform specific tasks! Its like having a box of parts to a swiss watch and shaking it in the hopes it will assemble itself properly

The watchmaker analogy was refuted more than 80 years ago, and more recently, was put to shame during the Dover trial. Care to comment on that fact?

As for proteins, since the are part of the make up of a cell, it is only natural that they function as part of the cell. Duh. The times in which they preform functions, and the specific tasks they perform are dependent on the type of protein involved, in the same way that each element on the periodic table has specific properties that identify them. In other words, it's chemistry.

If it's only chemistry and random chemical combination then Evolution fails under the sheer weight of numbers

You think Judge Jones failed, flawed ruling on Dover is a final word?

LOlz

The Dover trial was such a humiliating defeat for the religious right, they haven't dared to slither out from under their rocks.

Can you highlight the appropriate sections from Judge Jones ruling?

Here ya' go.

Kitzmiller v. Dover Decision of the Court

[This is the decision of the court in the Kitzmiller et al. v Dover Area School District et al. case. Judge John E. Jones III, who was nominated by President George W. Bush, made a very strong ruling against intelligent design. He ruled that it is creationism and is not science. He also ruled that members of Dover's school board lied under oath to hide their religious motivations. This archive also hosts transcripts of the trial. See the Dover index page.]

 

[CrusaderFrank]

But the proteins only function as part of the cell, they switch on at specific times and perform specific tasks! Its like having a box of parts to a swiss watch and shaking it in the hopes it will assemble itself properly

The watchmaker analogy was refuted more than 80 years ago, and more recently, was put to shame during the Dover trial. Care to comment on that fact?

As for proteins, since the are part of the make up of a cell, it is only natural that they function as part of the cell. Duh. The times in which they preform functions, and the specific tasks they perform are dependent on the type of protein involved, in the same way that each element on the periodic table has specific properties that identify them. In other words, it's chemistry.

If it's only chemistry and random chemical combination then Evolution fails under the sheer weight of numbers

You think Judge Jones failed, flawed ruling on Dover is a final word?

LOlz

The Dover trial was such a humiliating defeat for the religious right, they haven't dared to slither out from under their rocks.

Can you highlight the appropriate sections from Judge Jones ruling?

But the proteins only function as part of the cell, they switch on at specific times and perform specific tasks! Its like having a box of parts to a swiss watch and shaking it in the hopes it will assemble itself properly

The watchmaker analogy was refuted more than 80 years ago, and more recently, was put to shame during the Dover trial. Care to comment on that fact?

As for proteins, since the are part of the make up of a cell, it is only natural that they function as part of the cell. Duh. The times in which they preform functions, and the specific tasks they perform are dependent on the type of protein involved, in the same way that each element on the periodic table has specific properties that identify them. In other words, it's chemistry.

If it's only chemistry and random chemical combination then Evolution fails under the sheer weight of numbers

You think Judge Jones failed, flawed ruling on Dover is a final word?

LOlz

The Dover trial was such a humiliating defeat for the religious right, they haven't dared to slither out from under their rocks.

Can you highlight the appropriate sections from Judge Jones ruling?

Here ya' go.

Kitzmiller v. Dover Decision of the Court

[This is the decision of the court in the Kitzmiller et al. v Dover Area School District et al. case. Judge John E. Jones III, who was nominated by President George W. Bush, made a very strong ruling against intelligent design. He ruled that it is creationism and is not science. He also ruled that members of Dover's school board lied under oath to hide their religious motivations. This archive also hosts transcripts of the trial. See the Dover index page.]

well that's not what I asked, but then again, you since don't have a fucking clue, it's not unexpected either.

It's one judges failed, flawed ruling and it doesn't end the debate and it doesn't address the mathematical impossibility of evolution

 

[CrusaderFrank]

But the proteins only function as part of the cell, they switch on at specific times and perform specific tasks! Its like having a box of parts to a swiss watch and shaking it in the hopes it will assemble itself properly

The watchmaker analogy was refuted more than 80 years ago, and more recently, was put to shame during the Dover trial. Care to comment on that fact?

As for proteins, since the are part of the make up of a cell, it is only natural that they function as part of the cell. Duh. The times in which they preform functions, and the specific tasks they perform are dependent on the type of protein involved, in the same way that each element on the periodic table has specific properties that identify them. In other words, it's chemistry.

If it's only chemistry and random chemical combination then Evolution fails under the sheer weight of numbers

You think Judge Jones failed, flawed ruling on Dover is a final word?

LOlz

The Dover trial was such a humiliating defeat for the religious right, they haven't dared to slither out from under their rocks.

Can you highlight the appropriate sections from Judge Jones ruling?

But the proteins only function as part of the cell, they switch on at specific times and perform specific tasks! Its like having a box of parts to a swiss watch and shaking it in the hopes it will assemble itself properly

The watchmaker analogy was refuted more than 80 years ago, and more recently, was put to shame during the Dover trial. Care to comment on that fact?

As for proteins, since the are part of the make up of a cell, it is only natural that they function as part of the cell. Duh. The times in which they preform functions, and the specific tasks they perform are dependent on the type of protein involved, in the same way that each element on the periodic table has specific properties that identify them. In other words, it's chemistry.

If it's only chemistry and random chemical combination then Evolution fails under the sheer weight of numbers

You think Judge Jones failed, flawed ruling on Dover is a final word?

LOlz

The Dover trial was such a humiliating defeat for the religious right, they haven't dared to slither out from under their rocks.

Can you highlight the appropriate sections from Judge Jones ruling?

Here ya' go.

Kitzmiller v. Dover Decision of the Court

[This is the decision of the court in the Kitzmiller et al. v Dover Area School District et al. case. Judge John E. Jones III, who was nominated by President George W. Bush, made a very strong ruling against intelligent design. He ruled that it is creationism and is not science. He also ruled that members of Dover's school board lied under oath to hide their religious motivations. This archive also hosts transcripts of the trial. See the Dover index page.]

"To be sure, Darwin's theory of evolution is imperfect. However, the fact that a scientific theory cannot yet render an explanation on every point should not be used as a pretext to thrust an untestable alternative hypothesis grounded in religion into the science classroom or to misrepresent well-established scientific propositions."

FYI, under this standard, General Relativity would fail as a theory

 

[Hollie]

Thank you for TRYING to contribute with your vast knowledge in creation "science" little Frankie

It sucks that the math destroys your theory.

"If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."--Charles Darwin, Origin of Species

Each protein has a specific function, so even if the Magical Theory of Evolution worked and created random proteins, in order to work they would have to align themselves EXACTLY and function PERFECTLY with their new neighbors. You see how mathematically impossible a task this is if these cell components organized by chance. You'd have to be a Cell Complexity Denier to believe that chance was responsible.

But proteins are not rigid lumps of material. They can have moving parts whose mechanical actions are coupled to chemical events. It is this coupling of chemistry and kinetics that gives proteins the extraordinary capabilities that underlie the dynamic processes in living cells.

But the proteins only function as part of the cell, they switch on at specific times and perform specific tasks! Its like having a box of parts to a swiss watch and shaking it in the hopes it will assemble itself properly

That's a typically pointless attempt at analogy which is a staple of the extremist religionists.

Biological organisms evolve, mechanical components do not.

Yes, Honey Boo Boo, we're discussing the mathematical impossibility of proteins and amino acids (left-handed only, don't forget that) "evolving" to form a cell.

You're only convincing argument is to say, "we have cells, therefore they evolved" and I'm not impressed

I understand you're frustrated. You're hoping to prop up an argument that's bankrupt.

"What are the chances" is right out of the religious extremist playbook.

You obviously have no science background and not a hint of a science vocabulary. You may wish to see if your local community college offers introductory classes in biology.

 

[Hollie]

The watchmaker analogy was refuted more than 80 years ago, and more recently, was put to shame during the Dover trial. Care to comment on that fact?

As for proteins, since the are part of the make up of a cell, it is only natural that they function as part of the cell. Duh. The times in which they preform functions, and the specific tasks they perform are dependent on the type of protein involved, in the same way that each element on the periodic table has specific properties that identify them. In other words, it's chemistry.

If it's only chemistry and random chemical combination then Evolution fails under the sheer weight of numbers

You think Judge Jones failed, flawed ruling on Dover is a final word?

LOlz

The Dover trial was such a humiliating defeat for the religious right, they haven't dared to slither out from under their rocks.

Can you highlight the appropriate sections from Judge Jones ruling?

The watchmaker analogy was refuted more than 80 years ago, and more recently, was put to shame during the Dover trial. Care to comment on that fact?

As for proteins, since the are part of the make up of a cell, it is only natural that they function as part of the cell. Duh. The times in which they preform functions, and the specific tasks they perform are dependent on the type of protein involved, in the same way that each element on the periodic table has specific properties that identify them. In other words, it's chemistry.

If it's only chemistry and random chemical combination then Evolution fails under the sheer weight of numbers

You think Judge Jones failed, flawed ruling on Dover is a final word?

LOlz

The Dover trial was such a humiliating defeat for the religious right, they haven't dared to slither out from under their rocks.

Can you highlight the appropriate sections from Judge Jones ruling?

Here ya' go.

Kitzmiller v. Dover Decision of the Court

[This is the decision of the court in the Kitzmiller et al. v Dover Area School District et al. case. Judge John E. Jones III, who was nominated by President George W. Bush, made a very strong ruling against intelligent design. He ruled that it is creationism and is not science. He also ruled that members of Dover's school board lied under oath to hide their religious motivations. This archive also hosts transcripts of the trial. See the Dover index page.]

well that's not what I asked, but then again, you since don't have a fucking clue, it's not unexpected either.

It's one judges failed, flawed ruling and it doesn't end the debate and it doesn't address the mathematical impossibility of evolution

In what way is the Dover ruling "flawed"?

Be specific and provide relevant examples.

 

[Hollie]

The watchmaker analogy was refuted more than 80 years ago, and more recently, was put to shame during the Dover trial. Care to comment on that fact?

As for proteins, since the are part of the make up of a cell, it is only natural that they function as part of the cell. Duh. The times in which they preform functions, and the specific tasks they perform are dependent on the type of protein involved, in the same way that each element on the periodic table has specific properties that identify them. In other words, it's chemistry.

If it's only chemistry and random chemical combination then Evolution fails under the sheer weight of numbers

You think Judge Jones failed, flawed ruling on Dover is a final word?

LOlz

The Dover trial was such a humiliating defeat for the religious right, they haven't dared to slither out from under their rocks.

Can you highlight the appropriate sections from Judge Jones ruling?

The watchmaker analogy was refuted more than 80 years ago, and more recently, was put to shame during the Dover trial. Care to comment on that fact?

As for proteins, since the are part of the make up of a cell, it is only natural that they function as part of the cell. Duh. The times in which they preform functions, and the specific tasks they perform are dependent on the type of protein involved, in the same way that each element on the periodic table has specific properties that identify them. In other words, it's chemistry.

If it's only chemistry and random chemical combination then Evolution fails under the sheer weight of numbers

You think Judge Jones failed, flawed ruling on Dover is a final word?

LOlz

The Dover trial was such a humiliating defeat for the religious right, they haven't dared to slither out from under their rocks.

Can you highlight the appropriate sections from Judge Jones ruling?

Here ya' go.

Kitzmiller v. Dover Decision of the Court

[This is the decision of the court in the Kitzmiller et al. v Dover Area School District et al. case. Judge John E. Jones III, who was nominated by President George W. Bush, made a very strong ruling against intelligent design. He ruled that it is creationism and is not science. He also ruled that members of Dover's school board lied under oath to hide their religious motivations. This archive also hosts transcripts of the trial. See the Dover index page.]

"To be sure, Darwin's theory of evolution is imperfect. However, the fact that a scientific theory cannot yet render an explanation on every point should not be used as a pretext to thrust an untestable alternative hypothesis grounded in religion into the science classroom or to misrepresent well-established scientific propositions."

FYI, under this standard, General Relativity would fail as a theory

Pointless. General relativity makes no appeals to magic or partisan, supernatural gawds.

 

[orogenicman]

Does anyone have any relevant comment to make or question to ask on specific issues related to the articles posted in the thread? If you don't, please find some other thread in which to waste your time.

 

[Mac1958]

Does anyone have any relevant comment to make or question to ask on specific issues related to the articles posted in the thread? If you don't, please find some other thread in which to waste your time.

I think the article is pretty fuckin' cool and I'm VERY excited to see science continue to move forward.

There ya go!

.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If it's only chemistry and random chemical combination then Evolution fails under the sheer weight of numbers

You think Judge Jones failed, flawed ruling on Dover is a final word?

LOlz

The Dover trial was such a humiliating defeat for the religious right, they haven't dared to slither out from under their rocks.

Can you highlight the appropriate sections from Judge Jones ruling?

If it's only chemistry and random chemical combination then Evolution fails under the sheer weight of numbers

You think Judge Jones failed, flawed ruling on Dover is a final word?

LOlz

The Dover trial was such a humiliating defeat for the religious right, they haven't dared to slither out from under their rocks.

Can you highlight the appropriate sections from Judge Jones ruling?

Here ya' go.

Kitzmiller v. Dover Decision of the Court

[This is the decision of the court in the Kitzmiller et al. v Dover Area School District et al. case. Judge John E. Jones III, who was nominated by President George W. Bush, made a very strong ruling against intelligent design. He ruled that it is creationism and is not science. He also ruled that members of Dover's school board lied under oath to hide their religious motivations. This archive also hosts transcripts of the trial. See the Dover index page.]

"To be sure, Darwin's theory of evolution is imperfect. However, the fact that a scientific theory cannot yet render an explanation on every point should not be used as a pretext to thrust an untestable alternative hypothesis grounded in religion into the science classroom or to misrepresent well-established scientific propositions."

FYI, under this standard, General Relativity would fail as a theory

Pointless. General relativity makes no appeals to magic or partisan, supernatural gawds.

So you don't understand that had Relativity failed even one test it would have been discarded as a theory, right?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If it's only chemistry and random chemical combination then Evolution fails under the sheer weight of numbers

You think Judge Jones failed, flawed ruling on Dover is a final word?

LOlz

The Dover trial was such a humiliating defeat for the religious right, they haven't dared to slither out from under their rocks.

Can you highlight the appropriate sections from Judge Jones ruling?

If it's only chemistry and random chemical combination then Evolution fails under the sheer weight of numbers

You think Judge Jones failed, flawed ruling on Dover is a final word?

LOlz

The Dover trial was such a humiliating defeat for the religious right, they haven't dared to slither out from under their rocks.

Can you highlight the appropriate sections from Judge Jones ruling?

Here ya' go.

Kitzmiller v. Dover Decision of the Court

[This is the decision of the court in the Kitzmiller et al. v Dover Area School District et al. case. Judge John E. Jones III, who was nominated by President George W. Bush, made a very strong ruling against intelligent design. He ruled that it is creationism and is not science. He also ruled that members of Dover's school board lied under oath to hide their religious motivations. This archive also hosts transcripts of the trial. See the Dover index page.]

well that's not what I asked, but then again, you since don't have a fucking clue, it's not unexpected either.

It's one judges failed, flawed ruling and it doesn't end the debate and it doesn't address the mathematical impossibility of evolution

In what way is the Dover ruling "flawed"?

Be specific and provide relevant examples.

You'd have to have read it, but I posted the Judge's conclusion which does not address what we've said in any way whatsoever.

Now you say, "But Oreganoman said the science is settled!!!'

 

[Old Rocks]

Given the many places we never expected to find life here on earth, and the fact that impacts kind of spread the very primitive life around, I would not be surprised to find life as we know it, that is RNA or DNA bases life on the bodies that have liquid water. For life not as we know it, I really think that Jupiter would be a good place to look. Lots of energy and organic compounds, with all kinds of temperature and pressure gradients.

Would really like to see some missions into Jupiters atmosphere.