Opposition to Vote ID

[DrDoomNGloom]

Do any of you actually read??

Voting rights in the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The issue of voting rights in the United States has been contentious throughout United States history. Eligibility to vote in the United States is relevant at both the federal and state levels. In the absence of a specific federal law or constitutional provision, each state is given considerable discretion to establish qualifications for suffrage and candidacy within its own respective jurisdiction.

Originally, the U.S. Constitution did not define who was eligible to vote, allowing each state to determine who was eligible. In the early history of U.S., most states allowed only Caucasian males—who either owned property (i.e., at least 50 acres of land), or, had taxable incomes—to vote.[citation needed] Women could vote in New Jersey (provided they could meet the property requirement) and in some local jurisdictions, in other northern states. Non-white Americans could also vote in these jurisdictions, provided they could meet the property requirement. Freed slaves could vote in four states. Initially, unpropertied men and women—white citizens, slaves, and ex-slaves, alike—were largely prohibited from voting; however, by the time of the U.S. Civil War, most white men had been allowed to vote regardless of property ownership. Literacy tests, poll taxes, and even religious tests were some of the state and local laws used in various parts of the United States to intentionally deny immigrants (including legal ones and newly naturalized citizens), non-white citizens, Native Americans, and any other locally "undesirable" groups from exercising any voting rights that the federal government had granted them.[1]

The United States Constitution, in Article VI, clause (paragraph) 3, states that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States". The Constitution, however, leaves the determination of voters' qualifications to the individual states to decide. Over time, the federal role in elections has increased, through amendments to the Constitution and enacted legislation (e.g., the Voting Rights Act of 1965).[2] At least four of the fifteen post-Civil War constitutional amendments were ratified specifically to extend voting rights to different groups of citizens. These extensions state that voting rights cannot be denied or abridged based on the following:

• Birth - "All persons born or naturalized" "are citizens" of the United States and the U.S. state where they reside (14th Amendment, 1868)
• "Race, color, or previous condition of servitude" - (15th Amendment, 1870)
• "On account of sex" - (19th Amendment, 1920)
• In Washington, D.C., presidential elections (23rd Amendment, 1961)
• (For federal elections) "By reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax" - (24th Amendment, 1964)
  • (For state elections) Taxes - (14th Amendment; Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections, 383 U.S. 663 (1966))
• "Who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of age" (26th Amendment, 1971).
• Requirement that a person reside in a jurisdiction for an extended period of time (14th Amendment; Dunn v. Blumstein, 405 U.S. 330 (1972))[3][4][4]

In addition, the 17th Amendment provided for the direct election of United States Senators.

The "right to vote" is not explicitly stated in the U.S. Constitution except in the above referenced amendments, and only in reference to the fact that the franchise cannot be denied or abridged based solely on the aforementioned qualifications. In other words, the "right to vote" is perhaps better understood, in layman's terms, as only prohibiting certain forms of legal discrimination in establishing qualifications for suffrage. States may deny the "right to vote" for other reasons.

Voting rights in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Who gives a shit? My Social Security Card (gotten LONG before your sorry ass was born) states very clearly at the bottom of the card - FOR SOCIAL SECURITY AND TAX PURPOSES - NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION

When was the LAST TIME you didn't have to give YOUR SSN for nearly purpose? So much for the "rules", eh? OUR GOVERNMENT couldn't follow it's own rules, rube.

Why are you deflecting to SSN cards? I said nothing about a SSN card. Voting is a right not a privilege. It makes sense that some privileges require ID. Rights not so much.

We as Americans have the right to a fair and impartial election ......................

We do? Where in the Constitution does it say we have that right?

Presidential Election Laws

• Provisions of the Constitution
• United States Code
• 2012 Presidential Election Pamphlet

THE CONSTITUTION
Article II

Section 1. The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Congress may determine the Time of choosing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

Twelfth Amendment

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.... The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President to the United States.

Fourteenth Amendment

Section 3. No person shall be... elector of President and Vice President ... who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Fifteenth Amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

Nineteenth Amendment

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Twentieth Amendment

Section 1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.

Section 2. The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.

Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

Section 4. The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them.

Twenty-Second Amendment

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Twenty-Third Amendment

Section 1. The District constituting the seat of Government of the United States shall appoint in such manner as the Congress may direct:
A number of electors of President and Vice President equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives in Congress to which the District would be entitled if it were a State, but in no event more than the least populous State; they shall be in addition to those appointed by the States, but they shall be considered, for the purposes of the election of President and Vice President, to be electors appointed by a State; and they shall meet in the District and perform such duties as provided by the twelfth article of amendment.

Twenty-Fourth Amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

Twenty-Fifth Amendment

Section 1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

Section 3. Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. There upon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

Twenty-Sixth Amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

U. S. Electoral College Presidential Election Laws

That ought ought to pretty much sum it up .........

I'm sure that was the answer to some question but nothing in the Constitution guarantees you the right to a "fair and impartial election". Otherwise you could quote that part of the document.

Don't you hate it when someone shits on your parade with facts?

If you are looking for that specific term , then no you want find it in the constitution ...............

You just think you are shitting on someones parade, so far you have zero beneficial input in this discussion and have done little to impede me ..............

ROFLMFAO, common sense and some simple reading backs up my premiss

 

[candycorn]

Do any of you actually read??

Voting rights in the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The issue of voting rights in the United States has been contentious throughout United States history. Eligibility to vote in the United States is relevant at both the federal and state levels. In the absence of a specific federal law or constitutional provision, each state is given considerable discretion to establish qualifications for suffrage and candidacy within its own respective jurisdiction.

Originally, the U.S. Constitution did not define who was eligible to vote, allowing each state to determine who was eligible. In the early history of U.S., most states allowed only Caucasian males—who either owned property (i.e., at least 50 acres of land), or, had taxable incomes—to vote.[citation needed] Women could vote in New Jersey (provided they could meet the property requirement) and in some local jurisdictions, in other northern states. Non-white Americans could also vote in these jurisdictions, provided they could meet the property requirement. Freed slaves could vote in four states. Initially, unpropertied men and women—white citizens, slaves, and ex-slaves, alike—were largely prohibited from voting; however, by the time of the U.S. Civil War, most white men had been allowed to vote regardless of property ownership. Literacy tests, poll taxes, and even religious tests were some of the state and local laws used in various parts of the United States to intentionally deny immigrants (including legal ones and newly naturalized citizens), non-white citizens, Native Americans, and any other locally "undesirable" groups from exercising any voting rights that the federal government had granted them.[1]

The United States Constitution, in Article VI, clause (paragraph) 3, states that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States". The Constitution, however, leaves the determination of voters' qualifications to the individual states to decide. Over time, the federal role in elections has increased, through amendments to the Constitution and enacted legislation (e.g., the Voting Rights Act of 1965).[2] At least four of the fifteen post-Civil War constitutional amendments were ratified specifically to extend voting rights to different groups of citizens. These extensions state that voting rights cannot be denied or abridged based on the following:

• Birth - "All persons born or naturalized" "are citizens" of the United States and the U.S. state where they reside (14th Amendment, 1868)
• "Race, color, or previous condition of servitude" - (15th Amendment, 1870)
• "On account of sex" - (19th Amendment, 1920)
• In Washington, D.C., presidential elections (23rd Amendment, 1961)
• (For federal elections) "By reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax" - (24th Amendment, 1964)
  • (For state elections) Taxes - (14th Amendment; Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections, 383 U.S. 663 (1966))
• "Who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of age" (26th Amendment, 1971).
• Requirement that a person reside in a jurisdiction for an extended period of time (14th Amendment; Dunn v. Blumstein, 405 U.S. 330 (1972))[3][4][4]

In addition, the 17th Amendment provided for the direct election of United States Senators.

The "right to vote" is not explicitly stated in the U.S. Constitution except in the above referenced amendments, and only in reference to the fact that the franchise cannot be denied or abridged based solely on the aforementioned qualifications. In other words, the "right to vote" is perhaps better understood, in layman's terms, as only prohibiting certain forms of legal discrimination in establishing qualifications for suffrage. States may deny the "right to vote" for other reasons.

Voting rights in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Where is the phrase "fair and impartial"?

That is what you claimed...we have the right to "fair and impartial" elections. Surely you can quote the Constitution where it guarantees us those rights or are you one of those guys who thinks that judges should be able to read into the document stuff that isn't there?

 

[Siete]

SC Ruling ..

In its 2000 ruling, Alexander v Mineta, the Court decided the 600,000 or so (mostly black) residents of Washington D.C. have no legal recourse for their complete lack of voting representation in Congress (they have one “representative” in the House who can speak, but cannot vote). The Court affirmed the district court’s interpretation that our Constitution “does not protect the right of all citizens to vote, but rather the right of all qualified citizens to vote.” And it’s state legislatures that wield the power to decide who is “qualified.”

As a result, voting is not a right, but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and state governments


Privilege.

 

[Asclepias]

So far nothing you said was a right. You pretty much agree to the terms of having an id for exercising all those privileges.

Who gives a shit? My Social Security Card (gotten LONG before your sorry ass was born) states very clearly at the bottom of the card - FOR SOCIAL SECURITY AND TAX PURPOSES - NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION

When was the LAST TIME you didn't have to give YOUR SSN for nearly purpose? So much for the "rules", eh? OUR GOVERNMENT couldn't follow it's own rules, rube.

Why are you deflecting to SSN cards? I said nothing about a SSN card. Voting is a right not a privilege. It makes sense that some privileges require ID. Rights not so much.

Quite the contrary my rights to vote and my right to participate in a fair and impartial election would by common sense dictate that I prove who I was and that I did have the right to legally vote in that elction.

You seem to be confused and have issues with proving legal rights ...............
Just as I only have a legal right to cast one vote, those who do not prove ID have no right to vote ......................
The nameless souls could possibly cast thousands of duplicate votes simply by traveling from polling place to polling place by the bus / truck load .....................

Like the deflector before you your post is merely a diversion of the point. You shouldnt be required to have ID to cast a vote. All you would need is a registration number. Can you show me where it says you have a right to participate in a fair and impartial vote or are you just making it up as you go along? I'd actually be interested in seeing a quote.

A "registration number", eh? And what? They should imprint that number on your forearm? Oy Ve!

I see you avoided posting a link. Dont you just hate when someone puts you on blast and you have absolutely no reply other than a question attempting to divert the flow of conversation?

 

[candycorn]

Why are you deflecting to SSN cards? I said nothing about a SSN card. Voting is a right not a privilege. It makes sense that some privileges require ID. Rights not so much.

We as Americans have the right to a fair and impartial election ......................

We do? Where in the Constitution does it say we have that right?

Presidential Election Laws

• Provisions of the Constitution
• United States Code
• 2012 Presidential Election Pamphlet

THE CONSTITUTION
Article II

Section 1. The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Congress may determine the Time of choosing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

Twelfth Amendment

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.... The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President to the United States.

Fourteenth Amendment

Section 3. No person shall be... elector of President and Vice President ... who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Fifteenth Amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

Nineteenth Amendment

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Twentieth Amendment

Section 1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.

Section 2. The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.

Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

Section 4. The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them.

Twenty-Second Amendment

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Twenty-Third Amendment

Section 1. The District constituting the seat of Government of the United States shall appoint in such manner as the Congress may direct:
A number of electors of President and Vice President equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives in Congress to which the District would be entitled if it were a State, but in no event more than the least populous State; they shall be in addition to those appointed by the States, but they shall be considered, for the purposes of the election of President and Vice President, to be electors appointed by a State; and they shall meet in the District and perform such duties as provided by the twelfth article of amendment.

Twenty-Fourth Amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

Twenty-Fifth Amendment

Section 1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

Section 3. Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. There upon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

Twenty-Sixth Amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

U. S. Electoral College Presidential Election Laws

That ought ought to pretty much sum it up .........

I'm sure that was the answer to some question but nothing in the Constitution guarantees you the right to a "fair and impartial election". Otherwise you could quote that part of the document.

Don't you hate it when someone shits on your parade with facts?

If you are looking for that specific term , then no you want find it in the constitution ...............

So if it's not in the Constitution, where do you think "We as Americans" have that right?

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

So far nothing you said was a right. You pretty much agree to the terms of having an id for exercising all those privileges.

Who gives a shit? My Social Security Card (gotten LONG before your sorry ass was born) states very clearly at the bottom of the card - FOR SOCIAL SECURITY AND TAX PURPOSES - NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION

When was the LAST TIME you didn't have to give YOUR SSN for nearly purpose? So much for the "rules", eh? OUR GOVERNMENT couldn't follow it's own rules, rube.

Why are you deflecting to SSN cards? I said nothing about a SSN card. Voting is a right not a privilege. It makes sense that some privileges require ID. Rights not so much.

Quite the contrary my rights to vote and my right to participate in a fair and impartial election would by common sense dictate that I prove who I was and that I did have the right to legally vote in that elction.

You seem to be confused and have issues with proving legal rights ...............
Just as I only have a legal right to cast one vote, those who do not prove ID have no right to vote ......................
The nameless souls could possibly cast thousands of duplicate votes simply by traveling from polling place to polling place by the bus / truck load .....................

Like the deflector before you your post is merely a diversion of the point. You shouldnt be required to have ID to cast a vote. All you would need is a registration number. Can you show me where it says you have a right to participate in a fair and impartial vote or are you just making it up as you go along? I'd actually be interested in seeing a quote.

A "registration number", eh? And what? They should imprint that number on your forearm? Oy Ve!

yeah the Nazies are at it again, lets tattoo the jews forearms , you can see egore drooling as he rubs his sweaty hands ..............

 

[candycorn]

Who gives a shit? My Social Security Card (gotten LONG before your sorry ass was born) states very clearly at the bottom of the card - FOR SOCIAL SECURITY AND TAX PURPOSES - NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION

When was the LAST TIME you didn't have to give YOUR SSN for nearly purpose? So much for the "rules", eh? OUR GOVERNMENT couldn't follow it's own rules, rube.

Why are you deflecting to SSN cards? I said nothing about a SSN card. Voting is a right not a privilege. It makes sense that some privileges require ID. Rights not so much.

Quite the contrary my rights to vote and my right to participate in a fair and impartial election would by common sense dictate that I prove who I was and that I did have the right to legally vote in that elction.

You seem to be confused and have issues with proving legal rights ...............
Just as I only have a legal right to cast one vote, those who do not prove ID have no right to vote ......................
The nameless souls could possibly cast thousands of duplicate votes simply by traveling from polling place to polling place by the bus / truck load .....................

Like the deflector before you your post is merely a diversion of the point. You shouldnt be required to have ID to cast a vote. All you would need is a registration number. Can you show me where it says you have a right to participate in a fair and impartial vote or are you just making it up as you go along? I'd actually be interested in seeing a quote.

A "registration number", eh? And what? They should imprint that number on your forearm? Oy Ve!

yeah the Nazies are at it again, lets tattoo the jews forearms , you can see egore drooling as he rubs his sweaty hands ..............

Ahh, the Nazi card is out.

 

[Camp]

If it's only about ID, why do the voter ID laws come with all the attachments to it, like no Sunday voting and shortened early voting?

Got a link???
Which laws do you reference??

So you are not opposed to showing ID??

I mean these sound like great questions, perhaps you could not be so vauge and elaborate a little on the issue for us..........

time.com/3269532/ohio-early-voting-aclu-holder/

diversityinc.com/news/federal-judges-block-n-c-s-discriminatory-voting-rights-laws/

 

[Asclepias]

SC Ruling ..

In its 2000 ruling, Alexander v Mineta, the Court decided the 600,000 or so (mostly black) residents of Washington D.C. have no legal recourse for their complete lack of voting representation in Congress (they have one “representative” in the House who can speak, but cannot vote). The Court affirmed the district court’s interpretation that our Constitution “does not protect the right of all citizens to vote, but rather the right of all qualified citizens to vote.” And it’s state legislatures that wield the power to decide who is “qualified.”

As a result, voting is not a right, but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and state governments


Privilege.

Sorry but the Bill of Rights says its a right. States may determine the rules but they cant do so and keep others from voting. Everyone has the same right. They cant for instance say only people with green houses can vote. That would be a privilege.

 

[candycorn]

I was just busting your chops to show what lazy research you do all the while trying to come off as some sort of authority on the subject.

I actually agree with you. If we are going to register people to vote, there is 100% nothing wrong with expecting them to prove whom they are when the ballots are cast. The liberal (of whom I am one) argument on this topic has left the reservation.

The solution is simple. Make every VRC a photo ID. Why on earth would anyone want anyone else to carry two forms of ID to the polling place? It doesn't make a lick of sense. Simply phase in the program over a number of years and as existing VRCs expire, you have new photo IDs take their place--or make it to where your drivers license is adequate for voting purposes.

Those who swear the GOP doesn't see an upside in this--restricting voting--are just as crazy as those who think going to the court house once every 5 years is an imposition to get a photo ID.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

If it's only about ID, why do the voter ID laws come with all the attachments to it, like no Sunday voting and shortened early voting?

Got a link???
Which laws do you reference??

So you are not opposed to showing ID??

I mean these sound like great questions, perhaps you could not be so vauge and elaborate a little on the issue for us..........

time.com/3269532/ohio-early-voting-aclu-holder/

diversityinc.com/news/federal-judges-block-n-c-s-discriminatory-voting-rights-laws/

Both of those pieces deal with "voter restrictions", a totally different horse than we are currently riding, but I understand one has to be slightly intelligent to understand the difference ........

So once again you are trying to tie the two together how??

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

SC Ruling ..

In its 2000 ruling, Alexander v Mineta, the Court decided the 600,000 or so (mostly black) residents of Washington D.C. have no legal recourse for their complete lack of voting representation in Congress (they have one “representative” in the House who can speak, but cannot vote). The Court affirmed the district court’s interpretation that our Constitution “does not protect the right of all citizens to vote, but rather the right of all qualified citizens to vote.” And it’s state legislatures that wield the power to decide who is “qualified.”

As a result, voting is not a right, but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and state governments


Privilege.

Sorry but the Bill of Rights says its a right. States may determine the rules but they cant do so and keep others from voting. Everyone has the same right. They cant for instance say only people with green houses can vote. That would be a privilege.

See you understand but you don;t , states have the right to determine an ID is required to vote ............... kind of like determining about legalization of marijuana and gay marriages, states are ignoring federal law more and more and determining what is best for their constituents.

 

[Siete]

SC Ruling ..

In its 2000 ruling, Alexander v Mineta, the Court decided the 600,000 or so (mostly black) residents of Washington D.C. have no legal recourse for their complete lack of voting representation in Congress (they have one “representative” in the House who can speak, but cannot vote). The Court affirmed the district court’s interpretation that our Constitution “does not protect the right of all citizens to vote, but rather the right of all qualified citizens to vote.” And it’s state legislatures that wield the power to decide who is “qualified.”

As a result, voting is not a right, but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and state governments


Privilege.

Sorry but the Bill of Rights says its a right. States may determine the rules but they cant do so and keep others from voting. Everyone has the same right. They cant for instance say only people with green houses can vote. That would be a privilege.

See you understand but you don;t , states have the right to determine an ID is required to vote ............... kind of like determining about legalization of marijuana and gay marriages, states are ignoring federal law more and more and determining what is best for their constituents.

SO WHY DO YOU NEED A VOTER ID CARD ? you never have had to before for a State to determine your voting status?

 

[depotoo]

Are you saying you didn't need id to cash that check the first time to be put on file?

Did the OP mention anything about cashing a check...thats my fav one next to "black people must be stupid because..." reverse psychology game they play.

When you use the same liquor store to cash checks you don't need an I.D.

 

[g5000]

Are you saying you didn't need id to cash that check the first time to be put on file?

You only need ID the first time you register to vote. Once you are registered, you should not have to show ID to vote, and in fact we never had to show ID for more than two centuries.

That's because Voter ID does not stop fraud. It is a waste of taxpayer dollars.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

SC Ruling ..

In its 2000 ruling, Alexander v Mineta, the Court decided the 600,000 or so (mostly black) residents of Washington D.C. have no legal recourse for their complete lack of voting representation in Congress (they have one “representative” in the House who can speak, but cannot vote). The Court affirmed the district court’s interpretation that our Constitution “does not protect the right of all citizens to vote, but rather the right of all qualified citizens to vote.” And it’s state legislatures that wield the power to decide who is “qualified.”

As a result, voting is not a right, but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and state governments


Privilege.

Sorry but the Bill of Rights says its a right. States may determine the rules but they cant do so and keep others from voting. Everyone has the same right. They cant for instance say only people with green houses can vote. That would be a privilege.

See you understand but you don;t , states have the right to determine an ID is required to vote ............... kind of like determining about legalization of marijuana and gay marriages, states are ignoring federal law more and more and determining what is best for their constituents.

SO WHY DO YOU NEED A VOTER ID CARD ? you never have had to before for a State to determine your voting status?

Most states don't require a "voter ID card" , drivers license or state issued ID card will suffice ......................
you act like we gonna make them niga's get special cards to vote ............ grow the fuck up and realize its the same form of ID needed to cash their welfare checks!!!!

 

[Asclepias]

SC Ruling ..

In its 2000 ruling, Alexander v Mineta, the Court decided the 600,000 or so (mostly black) residents of Washington D.C. have no legal recourse for their complete lack of voting representation in Congress (they have one “representative” in the House who can speak, but cannot vote). The Court affirmed the district court’s interpretation that our Constitution “does not protect the right of all citizens to vote, but rather the right of all qualified citizens to vote.” And it’s state legislatures that wield the power to decide who is “qualified.”

As a result, voting is not a right, but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and state governments


Privilege.

Sorry but the Bill of Rights says its a right. States may determine the rules but they cant do so and keep others from voting. Everyone has the same right. They cant for instance say only people with green houses can vote. That would be a privilege.

See you understand but you don;t , states have the right to determine an ID is required to vote ............... kind of like determining about legalization of marijuana and gay marriages, states are ignoring federal law more and more and determining what is best for their constituents.

I think you got so caught up in avoiding my request to post a link you forgot the OP. No one is arguing about if its a state right or not to determine the . We are talking about why some people dont want it as a requirement to cast a vote. As a right it shouldnt be contingent on presenting an ID. If you are already registered you should have no need for it. I like the suggestion posed by Candycorn.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Are you saying you didn't need id to cash that check the first time to be put on file?

You only need ID the first time you register to vote. Once you are registered, you should not have to show ID to vote, and in fact we never had to show ID for more than two centuries.

That's because Voter ID does not stop fraud. It is a waste of taxpayer dollars.

Maybe not in your little backwoods place of residence, but I have been required to show proof of ID for the last 20 + yrs since I have registered to vote in the current state I live, so nice talking point` but its total bull shit!!

 

[Asclepias]

SC Ruling ..

In its 2000 ruling, Alexander v Mineta, the Court decided the 600,000 or so (mostly black) residents of Washington D.C. have no legal recourse for their complete lack of voting representation in Congress (they have one “representative” in the House who can speak, but cannot vote). The Court affirmed the district court’s interpretation that our Constitution “does not protect the right of all citizens to vote, but rather the right of all qualified citizens to vote.” And it’s state legislatures that wield the power to decide who is “qualified.”

As a result, voting is not a right, but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and state governments


Privilege.

Sorry but the Bill of Rights says its a right. States may determine the rules but they cant do so and keep others from voting. Everyone has the same right. They cant for instance say only people with green houses can vote. That would be a privilege.

See you understand but you don;t , states have the right to determine an ID is required to vote ............... kind of like determining about legalization of marijuana and gay marriages, states are ignoring federal law more and more and determining what is best for their constituents.

SO WHY DO YOU NEED A VOTER ID CARD ? you never have had to before for a State to determine your voting status?

Most states don't require a "voter ID card" , drivers license or state issued ID card will suffice ......................
you act like we gonna make them niga's get special cards to vote ............ grow the fuck up and realize its the same form of ID needed to cash their welfare checks!!!!

No wonder you are so dumb. You are a cave monkey.