Once again, Venezuela "Feeling the Bern" of socialism

[The Rabbi]

Socialism turns to anarchy in Venezuela...

Scenes From The Venezuela Apocalypse: "Countless Wounded" After 5,000 Loot Supermarket Looking For Food
5/13/2016 - Over the last several years we have documented with clockwork regularity Venezuela's collapse into failed state status, which was cemented several weeks ago when news hit that "Venezuela had officially run out of money to print new money." At that point the best one could do was merely to step back and watch as local society and civilization turned on itself, unleashing what would ultimately turn into Venezuela's own, sad apocalypse.

Last night we showed what Caracas, looks like this week:

As we wrote then these are simply hungry Venezuelans protesting that their children are dying from lack of food and medicine and that they do not have enough water or electricity. As AgainstCronyCapitalism added, this is a country with more oil than Saudi Arabia, and the government has stolen all the money and now they bottleneck peaceful protesters and threaten them with bombs (or haul them to prison and torture them). As pure desperation has set in, crime has becomes inevitable. A man accused of mugging people in the streets of Caracas was surrounded by a mob of onlookers, beaten and set on fire, who published a pixeled-out but still graphic video of the man burning as mob justice is now the supreme arbiter of who lives and who dies:

"Roberto Fuentes Bernal, 42, was reportedly caught trying to mug passersby in the Venezuelan capital, and before police arrived at the scene, the crowd took the law into their own hands." The video can be seen here. Now, in the latest shocking development, Venezuela saw a new wave of looting this week that resulted in at least two deaths, countless wounded, and millions of dollars in losses and damages. According to Panampost, on Wednesday morning, a crowd sacked the Maracay Wholesale Market in the central region of Venezuela. According to the testimonies of merchants, the endless food lines that Venezuelans have been enduring to do groceries could not be organized that day.

As time went by, desperate Venezuelans grew anxious over not being able to buy food. Then they started jumping over the gates and stormed the supermarket. "They took milk, pasta, flour, oil, and milk powder. There were 5,000 people" one witness told Venezuela outlet El Estímulo. People from across the entire state came to the supermarket because there were rumors that some products not found anywhere else would be sold there. As a result of the massive crowd, the authorities were unable to preserve the peace. "There were 250 people for each National Guard officer… lots of people and few soldiers. At least one officer was beat up because he tried to stop the crowd,” another source told El Estímulo. Other food dispensaries run by the government were also looted by the people. Far from the promised socialist paradise, as the massive group of people moved, an entrance gate collapsed under the weight of the crowd, leaving several wounded.

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Yup, and this is another socialist country with empty shelves

Ops, shit, sorry, this is capitalist Greece...

People who have never left their comfort bubble, commenting on the events around the world,
entertaining for sure....

Greece is a socialist country. You can retire at 50 if you have a cushy government job.

And your life savings will be wiped out if you don't.

Corruption...

Comparison of Tax Evasion Rates as percent of GDP 2012 estimate[14]
country % of GDP
Estonia 28.6
Greece 24.3
Latvia 21.6
Italy 21.6
Belgium 17.1
Germany 13.5


The Tax Justice Network has said that there are over €20 billion in Swiss bank accounts held by Greeks.[20] The former Finance Minister of Greece, Evangelos Venizelos, was quoted as saying "Around 15,000 individuals and companies owe the taxman 37 billion euros".[21] Additionally, the TJN puts the number of Greek-owned off-shore companies to over 10,000.[22]


Somebody stole the money from the piggy bank in Greece.
It has nothing do with her being a socialist or a capitalist.

SOMEBODY STOLE IT!!

Like in Venezuela....

Dumbshit.
Why do you think people in Greece are trying desperately to get money out of that shithole and hide it? You dont see countries with decent economies and rule of law doing that.

 

[alpine]

Socialism turns to anarchy in Venezuela...

Scenes From The Venezuela Apocalypse: "Countless Wounded" After 5,000 Loot Supermarket Looking For Food
5/13/2016 - Over the last several years we have documented with clockwork regularity Venezuela's collapse into failed state status, which was cemented several weeks ago when news hit that "Venezuela had officially run out of money to print new money." At that point the best one could do was merely to step back and watch as local society and civilization turned on itself, unleashing what would ultimately turn into Venezuela's own, sad apocalypse.

Yup, and this is another socialist country with empty shelves

Ops, shit, sorry, this is capitalist Greece...

People who have never left their comfort bubble, commenting on the events around the world,
entertaining for sure....

Greece is a socialist country. You can retire at 50 if you have a cushy government job.

And your life savings will be wiped out if you don't.

Corruption...

Comparison of Tax Evasion Rates as percent of GDP 2012 estimate[14]
country % of GDP
Estonia 28.6
Greece 24.3
Latvia 21.6
Italy 21.6
Belgium 17.1
Germany 13.5


The Tax Justice Network has said that there are over €20 billion in Swiss bank accounts held by Greeks.[20] The former Finance Minister of Greece, Evangelos Venizelos, was quoted as saying "Around 15,000 individuals and companies owe the taxman 37 billion euros".[21] Additionally, the TJN puts the number of Greek-owned off-shore companies to over 10,000.[22]


Somebody stole the money from the piggy bank in Greece.
It has nothing do with her being a socialist or a capitalist.

SOMEBODY STOLE IT!!

Like in Venezuela....

Dumbshit.
Why do you think people in Greece are trying desperately to get money out of that shithole and hide it? You dont see countries with decent economies and rule of law doing that.

They are not taking their money out tho,
it is the tax money,
that belong to the tax payers of Greece,
meaning the people of Greece,
meaning the pensioners........................................

 

[The Rabbi]

Yup, and this is another socialist country with empty shelves

Ops, shit, sorry, this is capitalist Greece...

People who have never left their comfort bubble, commenting on the events around the world,
entertaining for sure....

Greece is a socialist country. You can retire at 50 if you have a cushy government job.

And your life savings will be wiped out if you don't.

Corruption...

Comparison of Tax Evasion Rates as percent of GDP 2012 estimate[14]
country % of GDP
Estonia 28.6
Greece 24.3
Latvia 21.6
Italy 21.6
Belgium 17.1
Germany 13.5


The Tax Justice Network has said that there are over €20 billion in Swiss bank accounts held by Greeks.[20] The former Finance Minister of Greece, Evangelos Venizelos, was quoted as saying "Around 15,000 individuals and companies owe the taxman 37 billion euros".[21] Additionally, the TJN puts the number of Greek-owned off-shore companies to over 10,000.[22]


Somebody stole the money from the piggy bank in Greece.
It has nothing do with her being a socialist or a capitalist.

SOMEBODY STOLE IT!!

Like in Venezuela....

Dumbshit.
Why do you think people in Greece are trying desperately to get money out of that shithole and hide it? You dont see countries with decent economies and rule of law doing that.

They are not taking their money out tho,
it is the tax money,
that belong to the tax payers of Greece,
meaning the people of Greece,
meaning the pensioners........................................

It is their money. It is not the government's money, unless it is gov't officials stealing money, which is usual in socialist countries.

 

[bripat9643]

Socialism turns to anarchy in Venezuela...

Scenes From The Venezuela Apocalypse: "Countless Wounded" After 5,000 Loot Supermarket Looking For Food
5/13/2016 - Over the last several years we have documented with clockwork regularity Venezuela's collapse into failed state status, which was cemented several weeks ago when news hit that "Venezuela had officially run out of money to print new money." At that point the best one could do was merely to step back and watch as local society and civilization turned on itself, unleashing what would ultimately turn into Venezuela's own, sad apocalypse.

Yup, and this is another socialist country with empty shelves

Ops, shit, sorry, this is capitalist Greece...

People who have never left their comfort bubble, commenting on the events around the world,
entertaining for sure....

Greece is a socialist country. You can retire at 50 if you have a cushy government job.

And your life savings will be wiped out if you don't.

Corruption...

Comparison of Tax Evasion Rates as percent of GDP 2012 estimate[14]
country % of GDP
Estonia 28.6
Greece 24.3
Latvia 21.6
Italy 21.6
Belgium 17.1
Germany 13.5


The Tax Justice Network has said that there are over €20 billion in Swiss bank accounts held by Greeks.[20] The former Finance Minister of Greece, Evangelos Venizelos, was quoted as saying "Around 15,000 individuals and companies owe the taxman 37 billion euros".[21] Additionally, the TJN puts the number of Greek-owned off-shore companies to over 10,000.[22]


Somebody stole the money from the piggy bank in Greece.
It has nothing do with her being a socialist or a capitalist.

SOMEBODY STOLE IT!!

Like in Venezuela....

Dumbshit.
Why do you think people in Greece are trying desperately to get money out of that shithole and hide it? You dont see countries with decent economies and rule of law doing that.

If government was taking 70% of my income I would hide as much of it as possible. Only fools pay taxes they don't have to pay.

 

[alpine]

Greece is a socialist country. You can retire at 50 if you have a cushy government job.

And your life savings will be wiped out if you don't.

Corruption...

Comparison of Tax Evasion Rates as percent of GDP 2012 estimate[14]
country % of GDP
Estonia 28.6
Greece 24.3
Latvia 21.6
Italy 21.6
Belgium 17.1
Germany 13.5


The Tax Justice Network has said that there are over €20 billion in Swiss bank accounts held by Greeks.[20] The former Finance Minister of Greece, Evangelos Venizelos, was quoted as saying "Around 15,000 individuals and companies owe the taxman 37 billion euros".[21] Additionally, the TJN puts the number of Greek-owned off-shore companies to over 10,000.[22]


Somebody stole the money from the piggy bank in Greece.
It has nothing do with her being a socialist or a capitalist.

SOMEBODY STOLE IT!!

Like in Venezuela....

Dumbshit.
Why do you think people in Greece are trying desperately to get money out of that shithole and hide it? You dont see countries with decent economies and rule of law doing that.

They are not taking their money out tho,
it is the tax money,
that belong to the tax payers of Greece,
meaning the people of Greece,
meaning the pensioners........................................

It is their money. It is not the government's money, unless it is gov't officials stealing money, which is usual in socialist countries.

The prime minister says 15.000 people owe the Greek government 37 bil US DOLLARS, and that the money was in Switzerland, in these 15.000 peoples accounts.

So they evaded tax.

Meaning they stole it from tax payers.


I think thats how Majority people in this country would find an accurate information.

Of course except you apparently tho...........

 

[bripat9643]

And your life savings will be wiped out if you don't.

Corruption...

Comparison of Tax Evasion Rates as percent of GDP 2012 estimate[14]
country % of GDP
Estonia 28.6
Greece 24.3
Latvia 21.6
Italy 21.6
Belgium 17.1
Germany 13.5


The Tax Justice Network has said that there are over €20 billion in Swiss bank accounts held by Greeks.[20] The former Finance Minister of Greece, Evangelos Venizelos, was quoted as saying "Around 15,000 individuals and companies owe the taxman 37 billion euros".[21] Additionally, the TJN puts the number of Greek-owned off-shore companies to over 10,000.[22]


Somebody stole the money from the piggy bank in Greece.
It has nothing do with her being a socialist or a capitalist.

SOMEBODY STOLE IT!!

Like in Venezuela....

Dumbshit.
Why do you think people in Greece are trying desperately to get money out of that shithole and hide it? You dont see countries with decent economies and rule of law doing that.

They are not taking their money out tho,
it is the tax money,
that belong to the tax payers of Greece,
meaning the people of Greece,
meaning the pensioners........................................

It is their money. It is not the government's money, unless it is gov't officials stealing money, which is usual in socialist countries.

The prime minister says 15.000 people owe the Greek government 37 bil US DOLLARS, and that the money was in Switzerland, in these 15.000 peoples accounts.

So they evaded tax.

Meaning they stole it from tax payers.


I think thats how Majority people in this country would find an accurate information.

Of course except you apparently tho...........

The other taxpayers aren't entitled to it. Taxation is theft.

 

[alpine]

Yup, and this is another socialist country with empty shelves

Ops, shit, sorry, this is capitalist Greece...

People who have never left their comfort bubble, commenting on the events around the world,
entertaining for sure....

Greece is a socialist country. You can retire at 50 if you have a cushy government job.

And your life savings will be wiped out if you don't.

Corruption...

Comparison of Tax Evasion Rates as percent of GDP 2012 estimate[14]
country % of GDP
Estonia 28.6
Greece 24.3
Latvia 21.6
Italy 21.6
Belgium 17.1
Germany 13.5


The Tax Justice Network has said that there are over €20 billion in Swiss bank accounts held by Greeks.[20] The former Finance Minister of Greece, Evangelos Venizelos, was quoted as saying "Around 15,000 individuals and companies owe the taxman 37 billion euros".[21] Additionally, the TJN puts the number of Greek-owned off-shore companies to over 10,000.[22]


Somebody stole the money from the piggy bank in Greece.
It has nothing do with her being a socialist or a capitalist.

SOMEBODY STOLE IT!!

Like in Venezuela....

Dumbshit.
Why do you think people in Greece are trying desperately to get money out of that shithole and hide it? You dont see countries with decent economies and rule of law doing that.

If government was taking 70% of my income I would hide as much of it as possible. Only fools pay taxes they don't have to pay.

Corporates evading the tax in Greece looks like

corporate tax rate:
Greece 26%
USA 36%


Hmmmmmmm

Then if you lower them, you will be like GREECE............ You should be increasing even more maybe...... right???

Doesnt make sense, does it?

 

[alpine]

Corruption...

Comparison of Tax Evasion Rates as percent of GDP 2012 estimate[14]
country % of GDP
Estonia 28.6
Greece 24.3
Latvia 21.6
Italy 21.6
Belgium 17.1
Germany 13.5


The Tax Justice Network has said that there are over €20 billion in Swiss bank accounts held by Greeks.[20] The former Finance Minister of Greece, Evangelos Venizelos, was quoted as saying "Around 15,000 individuals and companies owe the taxman 37 billion euros".[21] Additionally, the TJN puts the number of Greek-owned off-shore companies to over 10,000.[22]


Somebody stole the money from the piggy bank in Greece.
It has nothing do with her being a socialist or a capitalist.

SOMEBODY STOLE IT!!

Like in Venezuela....

Dumbshit.
Why do you think people in Greece are trying desperately to get money out of that shithole and hide it? You dont see countries with decent economies and rule of law doing that.

They are not taking their money out tho,
it is the tax money,
that belong to the tax payers of Greece,
meaning the people of Greece,
meaning the pensioners........................................

It is their money. It is not the government's money, unless it is gov't officials stealing money, which is usual in socialist countries.

The prime minister says 15.000 people owe the Greek government 37 bil US DOLLARS, and that the money was in Switzerland, in these 15.000 peoples accounts.

So they evaded tax.

Meaning they stole it from tax payers.


I think thats how Majority people in this country would find an accurate information.

Of course except you apparently tho...........

The other taxpayers aren't entitled to it. Taxation is theft.

Do you pay your taxes?

 

[bripat9643]

Greece is a socialist country. You can retire at 50 if you have a cushy government job.

And your life savings will be wiped out if you don't.

Corruption...

Comparison of Tax Evasion Rates as percent of GDP 2012 estimate[14]
country % of GDP
Estonia 28.6
Greece 24.3
Latvia 21.6
Italy 21.6
Belgium 17.1
Germany 13.5


The Tax Justice Network has said that there are over €20 billion in Swiss bank accounts held by Greeks.[20] The former Finance Minister of Greece, Evangelos Venizelos, was quoted as saying "Around 15,000 individuals and companies owe the taxman 37 billion euros".[21] Additionally, the TJN puts the number of Greek-owned off-shore companies to over 10,000.[22]


Somebody stole the money from the piggy bank in Greece.
It has nothing do with her being a socialist or a capitalist.

SOMEBODY STOLE IT!!

Like in Venezuela....

Dumbshit.
Why do you think people in Greece are trying desperately to get money out of that shithole and hide it? You dont see countries with decent economies and rule of law doing that.

If government was taking 70% of my income I would hide as much of it as possible. Only fools pay taxes they don't have to pay.

Corporates evading the tax in Greece looks like

corporate tax rate:
Greece 26%
USA 36%


Hmmmmmmm

Then if you lower them, you will be like GREECE............ You should be increasing even more maybe...... right???

Doesnt make sense, does it?

Where did it say corporations were evading taxation?

 

[bripat9643]

Dumbshit.
Why do you think people in Greece are trying desperately to get money out of that shithole and hide it? You dont see countries with decent economies and rule of law doing that.

They are not taking their money out tho,
it is the tax money,
that belong to the tax payers of Greece,
meaning the people of Greece,
meaning the pensioners........................................

It is their money. It is not the government's money, unless it is gov't officials stealing money, which is usual in socialist countries.

The prime minister says 15.000 people owe the Greek government 37 bil US DOLLARS, and that the money was in Switzerland, in these 15.000 peoples accounts.

So they evaded tax.

Meaning they stole it from tax payers.


I think thats how Majority people in this country would find an accurate information.

Of course except you apparently tho...........

The other taxpayers aren't entitled to it. Taxation is theft.

Do you pay your taxes?

Only because I have no choice. If I could find a way to avoid paying them, I would, even if it was illegal. So long as I knew I wouldn't be caught.
Government is a thief.

 

[alpine]

And your life savings will be wiped out if you don't.

Corruption...

Comparison of Tax Evasion Rates as percent of GDP 2012 estimate[14]
country % of GDP
Estonia 28.6
Greece 24.3
Latvia 21.6
Italy 21.6
Belgium 17.1
Germany 13.5


The Tax Justice Network has said that there are over €20 billion in Swiss bank accounts held by Greeks.[20] The former Finance Minister of Greece, Evangelos Venizelos, was quoted as saying "Around 15,000 individuals and companies owe the taxman 37 billion euros".[21] Additionally, the TJN puts the number of Greek-owned off-shore companies to over 10,000.[22]


Somebody stole the money from the piggy bank in Greece.
It has nothing do with her being a socialist or a capitalist.

SOMEBODY STOLE IT!!

Like in Venezuela....

Dumbshit.
Why do you think people in Greece are trying desperately to get money out of that shithole and hide it? You dont see countries with decent economies and rule of law doing that.

If government was taking 70% of my income I would hide as much of it as possible. Only fools pay taxes they don't have to pay.

Corporates evading the tax in Greece looks like

corporate tax rate:
Greece 26%
USA 36%


Hmmmmmmm

Then if you lower them, you will be like GREECE............ You should be increasing even more maybe...... right???

Doesnt make sense, does it?

Where did it say corporations were evading taxation?

The Tax Justice Network has said that there are over €20 billion in Swiss bank accounts held by Greeks.[20] The former Finance Minister of Greece, Evangelos Venizelos, was quoted as saying "Around 15,000 individuals and companies owe the taxman 37 billion euros".[21] Additionally, the TJN puts the number of Greek-owned off-shore companies to over 10,000.[22]



So companies are taxed a corp tax of 26% in Greece.
In USA, they are taxed 36%.

If you are paying any taxes in the US, you would be stupid to do so in your logic.

Because Greece dont tax people who are evading tax, at a rate of 70%... They tax only 26%, and they still dont pay it.....


This is not socialism
Nor capitalism

This is called;

CORRUPTION.....


Happens to all countries, at some point.

 

[alpine]

They are not taking their money out tho,
it is the tax money,
that belong to the tax payers of Greece,
meaning the people of Greece,
meaning the pensioners........................................

It is their money. It is not the government's money, unless it is gov't officials stealing money, which is usual in socialist countries.

The prime minister says 15.000 people owe the Greek government 37 bil US DOLLARS, and that the money was in Switzerland, in these 15.000 peoples accounts.

So they evaded tax.

Meaning they stole it from tax payers.


I think thats how Majority people in this country would find an accurate information.

Of course except you apparently tho...........

The other taxpayers aren't entitled to it. Taxation is theft.

Do you pay your taxes?

Only because I have no choice. If I could find a way to avoid paying them, I would, even if it was illegal. So long as I knew I wouldn't be caught.
Government is a thief.

No, you pay it because everybody else you know pay it.

There are a lot of ways to evade tax. Talk to any accountant and they will tell.

You dont do it, because nobody around you does it.

And I bet you dont like hearing people evading either, those free loaders, evading tax when you are paying, and getting away with it too..... Must be an annoying feeling.........

 

[bripat9643]

It is their money. It is not the government's money, unless it is gov't officials stealing money, which is usual in socialist countries.

The prime minister says 15.000 people owe the Greek government 37 bil US DOLLARS, and that the money was in Switzerland, in these 15.000 peoples accounts.

So they evaded tax.

Meaning they stole it from tax payers.


I think thats how Majority people in this country would find an accurate information.

Of course except you apparently tho...........

The other taxpayers aren't entitled to it. Taxation is theft.

Do you pay your taxes?

Only because I have no choice. If I could find a way to avoid paying them, I would, even if it was illegal. So long as I knew I wouldn't be caught.
Government is a thief.

No, you pay it because everybody else you know pay it.

Hmmm, nope.

There are a lot of ways to evade tax. Talk to any accountant and they will tell.

You dont do it, because nobody around you does it.

And I bet you dont like hearing people evading either, those free loaders, evading tax when you are paying, and getting away with it too..... Must be an annoying feeling.........

Most ways to avoid paying taxes require you to own a corporation and receive most of your income through that corporation. If you are paid a salary, then it's almost impossible to avoid. You have been hearing stories about what accountants can legally do with your taxes.

I think everyone should avoid paying taxes. If the government received zero revenue, it would collapse. The sooner the better.

 

[alpine]

The prime minister says 15.000 people owe the Greek government 37 bil US DOLLARS, and that the money was in Switzerland, in these 15.000 peoples accounts.

So they evaded tax.

Meaning they stole it from tax payers.


I think thats how Majority people in this country would find an accurate information.

Of course except you apparently tho...........

The other taxpayers aren't entitled to it. Taxation is theft.

Do you pay your taxes?

Only because I have no choice. If I could find a way to avoid paying them, I would, even if it was illegal. So long as I knew I wouldn't be caught.
Government is a thief.

No, you pay it because everybody else you know pay it.

Hmmm, nope.

There are a lot of ways to evade tax. Talk to any accountant and they will tell.

You dont do it, because nobody around you does it.

And I bet you dont like hearing people evading either, those free loaders, evading tax when you are paying, and getting away with it too..... Must be an annoying feeling.........

Most ways to avoid paying taxes require you to own a corporation and receive most of your income through that corporation. If you are paid a salary, then it's almost impossible to avoid. You have been hearing stories about what accountants can legally do with your taxes.

I think everyone should avoid paying taxes. If the government received zero revenue, it would collapse. The sooner the better.

Be careful what you wish for tho;

It might collapse on you................

 

[bripat9643]

The other taxpayers aren't entitled to it. Taxation is theft.

Do you pay your taxes?

Only because I have no choice. If I could find a way to avoid paying them, I would, even if it was illegal. So long as I knew I wouldn't be caught.
Government is a thief.

No, you pay it because everybody else you know pay it.

Hmmm, nope.

There are a lot of ways to evade tax. Talk to any accountant and they will tell.

You dont do it, because nobody around you does it.

And I bet you dont like hearing people evading either, those free loaders, evading tax when you are paying, and getting away with it too..... Must be an annoying feeling.........

Most ways to avoid paying taxes require you to own a corporation and receive most of your income through that corporation. If you are paid a salary, then it's almost impossible to avoid. You have been hearing stories about what accountants can legally do with your taxes.

I think everyone should avoid paying taxes. If the government received zero revenue, it would collapse. The sooner the better.

Be careful what you wish for tho;

It might collapse on you................

The realistic goal is for tax avoidance rates to become so high that Congress if forced to reduce rates and reduce spending.

 

[alpine]

Do you pay your taxes?

Only because I have no choice. If I could find a way to avoid paying them, I would, even if it was illegal. So long as I knew I wouldn't be caught.
Government is a thief.

No, you pay it because everybody else you know pay it.

Hmmm, nope.

There are a lot of ways to evade tax. Talk to any accountant and they will tell.

You dont do it, because nobody around you does it.

And I bet you dont like hearing people evading either, those free loaders, evading tax when you are paying, and getting away with it too..... Must be an annoying feeling.........

Most ways to avoid paying taxes require you to own a corporation and receive most of your income through that corporation. If you are paid a salary, then it's almost impossible to avoid. You have been hearing stories about what accountants can legally do with your taxes.

I think everyone should avoid paying taxes. If the government received zero revenue, it would collapse. The sooner the better.

Be careful what you wish for tho;

It might collapse on you................

The realistic goal is for tax avoidance rates to become so high that Congress if forced to reduce rates and reduce spending.

That's not called "collapsing a government"
That's called "electing a government"

You go vote
elect a president, parliament
president gives you the tax break you are looking for


Thats what separates this country, from others in 3rd world
Thats what makes it "great"

In an advanced democracy, you dont need to "collapse" anything, for you to get what you want
Collapsing a government is serious shit
Look around the world what happens, when it happens

Trust me, thats not something you would want...


And you are a reasonable man, I have seen your posts in the AI thread.............................

 

[bripat9643]

Only because I have no choice. If I could find a way to avoid paying them, I would, even if it was illegal. So long as I knew I wouldn't be caught.
Government is a thief.

No, you pay it because everybody else you know pay it.

Hmmm, nope.

There are a lot of ways to evade tax. Talk to any accountant and they will tell.

You dont do it, because nobody around you does it.

And I bet you dont like hearing people evading either, those free loaders, evading tax when you are paying, and getting away with it too..... Must be an annoying feeling.........

Most ways to avoid paying taxes require you to own a corporation and receive most of your income through that corporation. If you are paid a salary, then it's almost impossible to avoid. You have been hearing stories about what accountants can legally do with your taxes.

I think everyone should avoid paying taxes. If the government received zero revenue, it would collapse. The sooner the better.

Be careful what you wish for tho;

It might collapse on you................

The realistic goal is for tax avoidance rates to become so high that Congress if forced to reduce rates and reduce spending.

That's not called "collapsing a government"
That's called "electing a government"

You go vote
elect a president, parliament
president gives you the tax break you are looking for


Thats what separates this country, from others in 3rd world
Thats what makes it "great"

In an advanced democracy, you dont need to "collapse" anything, for you to get what you want
Collapsing a government is serious shit
Look around the world what happens, when it happens

Trust me, thats not something you would want...


And you are a reasonable man, I have seen your posts in the AI thread.............................

Wrong. Democracy is not what makes this country great. Freedom makes it great. That means severely limiting what is up for a popular vote. Lot's of third world hell holes are democracies. Just consider Venezuela.

The fact that the majority may support some particular tax rate makes it no more legitimate than if it didn't. Majority rule doesn't justify anything except the ability of the majority to impose its will on the minority.

 

[Stephanie]

If one needs an example of what Socialism end up looking like and how the people end up LIVING like, they just need look at Venezuela

 

[oreo]

There is one really good aspect of the left-wing in Venezuela. Unlike here in a America, where they implement socialism in incremental steps, resulting in the boiled frog syndrome, they at least dived into socialism head first. Thus we can see the results of all the idiotic stupid policies in one swoop.

ENERGY
Venezuela introduces two-day week to deal with energy crisis - BBC News

Hot off the BBC press.... it's just amazing. No matter how badly socialism destroys an entire nation, we here in the US still have people defending socialist ideas.

The government recently introduced a TWO DAY WORK WEEK. To save on power... because unlike their foolish capitalist north American neighbors, they have renewable green-energy from hydro-electric dams, which are now..... out of power.

Among the brilliant moves by the nearly broke government, to help their devastated country....

They moved forward clocks by 30 minutes, supposedly to reduce electricity use in the evening...
They told shopping centers to operate less, and generate their own power....

Now keep in mind, that out of all the countries throughout all of latin America, the one country.... the ONE country, that could burn oil to power the entire country, is Venezuela..... but instead.....

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Shopping centers are trying to sell dresses by cell phone lights....... REALLY!?! You 'feel the bern' people really want this as your strategy?

But that would be fantastic, if that was the only socialist ideal that has failed....

HEALTH CARE
Venezuelan healthcare in collapse as economy ails - BBC News

Inside his cramped room, on the 10th floor of the University Hospital of Caracas, his doctor, paediatric resident Joam Andrade, points to the cockroaches on the walls, and the sticky tape holding his oxygen tube together.

She writes in my notebook what she wants to prescribe, and cannot, because there is none in Venezuela: "Cladribine. 5-6 ampoules. 10mg."​

You tell me our health care system is so bad, and the government run health care would be so much better..... tell me you socialists, which American hospital do you find roaches on the walls, and the medical equipment held together by tape? Where do you find doctors prescribing pills that are nowhere in the whole country?

Hey, you think those patients would complain if they had the option to BUY good health care? Oh... but this "free" health care is so much better. Yeah, tell that to this doctor in Venezuela....

"We have gone from 450 open heart surgeries a year to 20. And from 1,200 cardiac catheterisations per year, it's now at most 300.
"I'm almost at the point where I have to say we need to close our department of cardiology, because it's not fair to make us just look at our patients, and see which way they are going to die."​

All they can do now, is just observe patients to see how they are going to die. Here in America, you get treated, and you might have to file bankruptcy. In Venezuela, you get to keep your house! And your car! And your GRAVE.

MINIMUM WAGE
After 30% Hike, Venezuela's Minimum Wage Is Just $13 a Month

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro announced last night the fourth minimum wage hike this year as the South American country battles the highest inflation rate in the world. At the black market exchange rate, it’s still only about $13 a month.​

Wow... so they are jacking up the minimum wage over and over, and each time, inflation drives the value of the wage, right back down.

Venezuela’s currency has lost 87 percent of its value on the black market in the past year, according to data compiled by dolartoday.com, a website that tracks trading in street markets where Venezuelans go to skirt limits on foreign-exchange purchases. The economy shrank 10 percent this year, the biggest contraction worldwide, while inflation is 159 percent, the International Monetary Fund said this month.
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WHAT?! They increased the minimum wage by 40 percent, and the economy shrank by 10% in one year, the largest fall of GDP in the ENTIRE WORLD?!? How can that be? I thought that those people would have more buying power, and with more middle class buyers, the economy would boom! Isn't that what the fight for $15 people say?

Siobhan Morden, head of Latin America strategy at Jefferies LLC, said Friday in a note to clients, adding that it now took more than 10 minimum monthly salaries to purchase a basket of basic consumer goods. “The social pressure for wage indexation will catalyst more aggressive minimum wage hikes that feeds back into higher inflation.”
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Let me boil that down for you slow minded 'fight for $15' folks...... The number one cost in any product of any kind, is labor. More than anything else. When you jack up the cost of labor, that drives up the cost of goods, which devalues the money. Every time Venezuela has jacked up the minimum wage, the cost of products, goods and services, goes right up with it. As a result, people are less able to afford the things after they get the higher wage, than before they got the higher wage.

TAX HIKES
Venezuela raises taxes on wealthy, big business

And here we are again, with raising taxes. Jacking up taxes on the rich and wealthy, to try and pay all their bills. Funny, it doesn't seem to work that well.

By the way, without posting individual links for each tax, I assume you are intelligent enough to look it up yourself.... the taxes in Venezuela are massive.

24% Social Security tax.
34% Income Tax on all earnings over just $76,000 a year.
55% Estate Tax.
12% Consumption Tax
0.75% Tax on fiscal transations. (Buying and selling stocks and bonds).
34% Corporate Tax

With all those taxes, and some I haven't posted here, shouldn't Venezuela be reaping massive income?

Venezuela Hits "Point of No Return" - 2016 Bankruptcy Is "Difficult To Avoid" According To Barclays | Zero Hedge

Barclays' Alejandro Arreaza notes, Venezuela has officially reached the "point of no return" and writes that "the economic emergency decree and any measures that the government could take at this point may be too late. After two years of inaction and the recent decline in oil prices, a credit event in 2016 is becoming increasingly difficult to avoid, in our view."
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Whaaa?? Say it ain't so! How can this be? Where is all the money? Why can't the one country in all of latin America, with massive oil reserves, some of which haven't even been tapped yet..... The one country that has nationalized dozens of industries....

Factbox: Venezuela's nationalizations under Chavez

The country that has restricted imports, kicked out job stealing immigrants....

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/06/w...uffers-as-import-schemes-siphon-billions.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/28/w...-flee-venezuelas-crackdown-on-immigrants.html

How can they possibly be heading for an economic collapse, and sovereign default???

Venezuelans leave 21st-century socialism for US, Spain | Americas | DW.COM | 29.10.2015

Because even the Venezuelans themselves, are leaving Venezuela. More than 1.3 MILLION people have fled the country.

According to a survey by the Andres Bello Catholic University in Caracas, 1.2-1.5 million Venezuelans now live outside the country. Ninety percent of that emigration has taken place in the past 15 years.

"Venezuela has gone from being a country of immigration to being one of emigration," said Tomas Paez, a sociologist at the University of Caracas. "President Nicolas Maduro's administration has done nothing to curb the exodus - quite the opposite: They are encouraging it."

Paez is the author of the book "The Voice of the Venezuelan Diaspora," which was published in July. He interviewed 900 emigrants in 41 countries for the study. He says he was most impressed by the swiftness of the mass exodus.

As if that were not enough: According to the Caracas-based polling institute Datanalisis, about 30 percent of Venezuela's 32 million residents are currently preparing documents for emigration. The institute says that 10 years ago that number was about 4 percent.
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Out of 32 Million people, 5% of the entire population has left the country. That's INSANE.

CONCLUSION

You people..... stop being ignorant. Stop being foolish, and uninformed. LOOK AROUND. Not one time in all of human history, has socialism ever worked. Not once. Venezuela is now just another statistic in the casualties of socialist destruction.

They have tried EVERY SINGLE POLICY, that you left-wingers have been pushing in the US, and every single one of them has failed, and drastically.

Your ideology, is a FAILURE. It has always been a FAILURE. And always will be a FAILURE.

Excellent article and this is socialism 101 for a whole lot of Bernie Sanders supporters. Now the question is, who is going to bail out Venezuela?

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."Winston Churchill

“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money to spend” Margaret Thatcher.

 

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If one needs an example of what Socialism end up looking like and how the people end up LIVING like, they just need look at Venezuela

And let's not forget Greece.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/business/international/greece-debt-crisis-euro.html?_r=0