OK 10 commandement statue "smashed to pieces"

[Luddly Neddite]

Someone Smashed The Disputed Oklahoma Ten Commandments Monument To Pieces

AP / Huffington Post | By Sean Murphy

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  Posted: 10/24/2014 12:30 pm EDT Updated: 10/24/2014 2:59 pm EDT
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — Someone drove up a ramp near the Oklahoma Capitol steps overnight and into a disputed granite monument of the Ten Commandments, smashing it to pieces in an apparent act of vandalism, authorities said.
  
  Oklahoma Highway Patrol Capt. George Brown said the person abandoned the car and fled the scene after destroying the monument Thursday night, and that investigators are searching the sedan for clues. He said he didn't know if there were any witnesses, but that investigators are reviewing security video.
  
  The 6-foot-tall monument was erected in 2012 with the blessing of Oklahoma's conservative Legislature. The American Civil Liberties Union of Oklahoma has been suing to have it removed, arguing that it violates the state constitution and could be seen as a state endorsement of a religion.
  
  "We consider this an act of violence against the state of Oklahoma," said Republican state Rep. Mike Ritze, of Broken Arrow, whose family spent nearly $10,000 having the monument erected. "We are obviously shocked and dismayed, but we're not discouraged," he said, vowing to have it rebuilt.
  
  Gov. Mary Fallin called it an "appalling" act of vandalism and volunteered to help raise private funds to restore it.
  
  The ACLU sued on behalf of a Norman minister and others who allege the monument's location violates the state constitution's ban on using public property to support "any sect, church, denomination or system of religion."
  
  

• So - a vandal accomplished what our Constitution could not.

Screw the Constitution, right? The nutters will have another one back up in no time.

(Ignore the bullet points. Apparently, god put them there.)

 

[Delta4Embassy]

It wasn't me. I have an alibi.

 

[Hollie]

The constitution has an uncomfortable habit of getting in the way of religious fundamentalists.

 

[RandomVariable]

It wasn't me. I have an alibi.

Hollie and Taz don't count.

God said no idols. That is using the ten commandments as an idol.

 

[guno]

Someone Smashed The Disputed Oklahoma Ten Commandments Monument To Pieces

AP / Huffington Post | By Sean Murphy

• 
  Posted: 10/24/2014 12:30 pm EDT Updated: 10/24/2014 2:59 pm EDT
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — Someone drove up a ramp near the Oklahoma Capitol steps overnight and into a disputed granite monument of the Ten Commandments, smashing it to pieces in an apparent act of vandalism, authorities said.
  
  Oklahoma Highway Patrol Capt. George Brown said the person abandoned the car and fled the scene after destroying the monument Thursday night, and that investigators are searching the sedan for clues. He said he didn't know if there were any witnesses, but that investigators are reviewing security video.
  
  The 6-foot-tall monument was erected in 2012 with the blessing of Oklahoma's conservative Legislature. The American Civil Liberties Union of Oklahoma has been suing to have it removed, arguing that it violates the state constitution and could be seen as a state endorsement of a religion.
  
  "We consider this an act of violence against the state of Oklahoma," said Republican state Rep. Mike Ritze, of Broken Arrow, whose family spent nearly $10,000 having the monument erected. "We are obviously shocked and dismayed, but we're not discouraged," he said, vowing to have it rebuilt.
  
  Gov. Mary Fallin called it an "appalling" act of vandalism and volunteered to help raise private funds to restore it.
  
  The ACLU sued on behalf of a Norman minister and others who allege the monument's location violates the state constitution's ban on using public property to support "any sect, church, denomination or system of religion."
  

• So - a vandal accomplished what our Constitution could not.

Screw the Constitution, right? The nutters will have another one back up in no time.

(Ignore the bullet points. Apparently, god put them there.)

 

[Delta4Embassy]

It wasn't me. I have an alibi.

Hollie and Taz don't count.

God said no idols. That is using the ten commandments as an idol.

While there are many prohibitions about idolatry. it'd only qualify as that if they the thing became a center of worship. Then it'd be a graven idol.

 

[RandomVariable]

It wasn't me. I have an alibi.

Hollie and Taz don't count.

God said no idols. That is using the ten commandments as an idol.

While there are many prohibitions about idolatry. it'd only qualify as that if they the thing became a center of worship. Then it'd be a graven idol.

Rachael took the idols from her father when she left with Jacob. I do not think those were worship idols.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

A crucifix is an example of a forbidden idol. Especially the great big ones ina church people kneel and bow before.

Not to bow down to an idol, even if that is not its mode of worship (Ex. 20:5)
Not to worship an idol in the way in which it is usually worshipped (Ex. 20:5)
Not to swear by an idol to its worshipers, nor cause them to swear by it (Ex. 23:13)

Relevant one here,
Not to set up a pillar (for worship) (Deut. 16:22)

 

[RandomVariable]

A crucifix is an example of a forbidden idol. Especially the great big ones ina church people kneel and bow before.

Not to bow down to an idol, even if that is not its mode of worship (Ex. 20:5)
Not to worship an idol in the way in which it is usually worshipped (Ex. 20:5)
Not to swear by an idol to its worshipers, nor cause them to swear by it (Ex. 23:13)

Relevant one here,
Not to set up a pillar (for worship) (Deut. 16:22)

Agree 100, and then some, percent. There are some verses even more specific than that as to what should not be made into an idol.

 

[mdk]

I don't think the monument should be at that location as well but this is nothing more then a cowardly act of vandalism. I hope they find the person and prosecute them for these illegal actions.

 

[Hollie]

It wasn't me. I have an alibi.

Hollie and Taz don't count.

God said no idols. That is using the ten commandments as an idol.

Nothing happens 'cept for the will of the gods. This never would have happened if someone had put a plastic jeebus on the monument.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Coulda avoided the whole mess putting it on some church's land instead of where ever it was. I'd assume then they wanted the mess doing it as they did. They wanted to bring the subject up publicly.

 

[Hollie]

A crucifix is an example of a forbidden idol. Especially the great big ones ina church people kneel and bow before.

Not to bow down to an idol, even if that is not its mode of worship (Ex. 20:5)
Not to worship an idol in the way in which it is usually worshipped (Ex. 20:5)
Not to swear by an idol to its worshipers, nor cause them to swear by it (Ex. 23:13)

Relevant one here,
Not to set up a pillar (for worship) (Deut. 16:22)

Agree 100, and then some, percent. There are some verses even more specific than that as to what should not be made into an idol.

How about you assign yourself as the Field Marshall General in Charge and begin your program of idol destruction?

It's the Christian thing to do.

 

[RandomVariable]

A crucifix is an example of a forbidden idol. Especially the great big ones ina church people kneel and bow before.

Not to bow down to an idol, even if that is not its mode of worship (Ex. 20:5)
Not to worship an idol in the way in which it is usually worshipped (Ex. 20:5)
Not to swear by an idol to its worshipers, nor cause them to swear by it (Ex. 23:13)

Relevant one here,
Not to set up a pillar (for worship) (Deut. 16:22)

Agree 100, and then some, percent. There are some verses even more specific than that as to what should not be made into an idol.

How about you assign yourself as the Field Marshall General in Charge and begin your program of idol destruction?

It's the Christian thing to do.

Gee Hollie, thanks for explaining religion to me.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Next time someone tried this kind of thing, erecting a religious symbol on government land, just say ok, now we want Muslim and Satanic ones right next to it.

 

[September]

So does this now mean we don't get to build a Baphomet statue there?

Woulda been epic...

​

 

[Delta4Embassy]

A crucifix is an example of a forbidden idol. Especially the great big ones ina church people kneel and bow before.

Not to bow down to an idol, even if that is not its mode of worship (Ex. 20:5)
Not to worship an idol in the way in which it is usually worshipped (Ex. 20:5)
Not to swear by an idol to its worshipers, nor cause them to swear by it (Ex. 23:13)

Relevant one here,
Not to set up a pillar (for worship) (Deut. 16:22)

Agree 100, and then some, percent. There are some verses even more specific than that as to what should not be made into an idol.

How about you assign yourself as the Field Marshall General in Charge and begin your program of idol destruction?

It's the Christian thing to do.

Be careful what you wish for,

To destroy idolatry and its appurtenances (Deut. 12:2-3)
# Not to give up hating the enticer to idolatry (Deut. 13:9) (CCN25).
# Not to save the enticer from capital punishment, but to stand by at his execution (Deut. 13:9) (negative).
# A person whom he attempted to entice to idolatry shall not urge pleas for the acquittal of the enticer (Deut. 13:9) (CCN26).
# A person whom he attempted to entice shall not refrain from giving evidence of the enticer's guilt, if he has such evidence (Deut. 13:9)

# To slay the inhabitants of a city that has become idolatrous and burn that city (Deut. 13:16-17) (affirmative).
# Not to rebuild a city that has been led astray to idolatry (Deut. 13:17) (negative).
# Not to make use of the property of city that has been so led astray (Deut. 13:18)

 

[RandomVariable]

Is there any parallel between this and the ranchers on government land?

 

[Meriweather]

A crucifix is an example of a forbidden idol. Especially the great big ones ina church people kneel and bow before.

Not to bow down to an idol, even if that is not its mode of worship (Ex. 20:5)
Not to worship an idol in the way in which it is usually worshipped (Ex. 20:5)
Not to swear by an idol to its worshipers, nor cause them to swear by it (Ex. 23:13)

Relevant one here,
Not to set up a pillar (for worship) (Deut. 16:22)

No, a crucifix is not an example of a forbidden idol. Keep in mind that in Old Testament times, people made graven images (think golden calf) to worship. There were engravings on the Ark of the Covenant, but they did not qualify as idols--they were not worshiped, no one thought they had powers. They simply represented the power and holiness of God.

Catholics do not believe the crucifix has power, the belief is that Christ has power, and the crucifix represents the sacrifice he made for us. It is an object of reflection and contemplation--it helps keep the mind and spirit focused on God.

 

[Truman123]

I'm an atheist and I'm against the destruction of religious items.


However, they should also not be anywhere near our government (including its buildings).