SavannahMann
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I’ve answered your questions many times in many other threads. The problem is that you won’t even consider the idea that the police have gone too far. You want them to go even farther. You decry Liberal Fascism, while demanding Conservative Fascism.
Changes that are needed for police have been talked about ad nausea. One of the first changes is an end to the Police Officers Bill of Rights. The very premise of this nation, the ideals that the Founders wanted to instil in this fledgling experiment, was the idea that no one was above the law. The idea that everyone was equal before the law. The only exceptions listed in the Constitution was that members of Congress could not be detained. The reason for that should be obvious, it prevented a future where the states you had to travel through to get to Congress were prevented from delaying you so a vote would be adjusted. This way South Carolina could not prevent Florida from arriving to vote and represent their constituents. It did not shield them from any criminal prosecution, but said that while they were on their way to Congress, you could not arrest or detain them.
The way we know that is that Congress has the power to expel members of their own houses for ethical or criminal violations, thus ending the protections.
The Police Officers Bill of Rights not only insures that the civil rights of the officer are protected, but insures that they have greater protections than anyone else. Worse, it means that finding and prosecuting criminals wearing badges is almost impossible. Behavior that would be sufficient to see anyone else thrown behind bars, barely warrants a slap on the wrist, and many think that is too severe for their beloved cops.
What is funny, and I mean hilarious, is the police supporters like yourself. While arguing that the police have the right to shoot people instantly, or demanding that they lock up anyone who dare misbehave in the slightest, you resist any calls for accountability by the police.
It is literally impossible that all the shootings and use of force events are absolutely justified. It is literally impossible. But mistakes by police are not only forgiven by you, but should be a foundation for even more outrageous behavior in the future.
Give me a situation where it is not only justified, but a citizen would be required to shoot a police officer. Create one on these pages. A scenario no matter how outrageous.
One of the other founding principles of our nation was the idea that no one was so powerful that they could not be held accountable by someone. Judges have the final word, but Judges can be removed from their offices by someone. Congress can impeach a judge. Congress is immune from arrest, but a Judge can order that a congressman be arrested despite those prohibitions. The Congressman can be indicted for criminal behavior. Presidents can be impeached.
But only the cops are immune to such things. In fact, that immunity is in law in nearly every state. In Texas a cop shot a man. The shooting was so outrageous that the cops in Texas decided it was in no way justifiable. The cop argued that he was empowered by the FBI to investigate bank robberies, a Federal Offense, and was immune to prosecution as a Federal Agent. The Federal Court agreed, and the charges went away.
Immune from prosecution? Really? Show me where that is in the Constitution. I seem to have missed it.
Only the Feds can hold the Feds accountable?
The attitudes you decry that the police are facing with increasing regularity is not because of people like me. It is because of the cops, and morons like you. It is going to get worse, much worse, and I’d say it will be fairly soon that it gets much worse.
I have no power to make the cops shoot unarmed people. I have no power to make them lie. I have no power to make the other cops “investigate” and find the action justifiable. That is all the cops and the rabid supporters like you.
The funny thing is this. Changes are coming. The people are demanding it. The police could change a little themselves, and placate the demands of the people, or wait and even larger changes will run right over them. Stubborn fools like you, well you are going to stand and scream that there will be changes, for even more brutal and abusive actions. Because history shows how well that works. Or something. The fact that it does’t show anything like that, and in fact, shows just how such actions backfire, doesn’t matter.
That is what is so pathetic about people like you. Your arguments are dishonest, and flatly stupid. Historically the more brutal the police get, the more the civil unrest becomes. Even in Hungary, when the Soviets used the Army to put down civil unrest, the resentment towards the Soviets and the leadership in Hungary just increased.
When eventually the brutality can no longer be supported, or maintained, the changes that people of your ilk are fighting, happen, and they go well past where they would otherwise go.
The people are tired of the lies. A new Police Chief is hired, and they rush out to promise the community that things are going to change. That a new era of engagement is here. Then the brutality continues. The lies continue, and the cops still aren’t held responsible. A new police chief is hired, and the same thing happens. Now, when a new chief is brought in, nobody listens. They’ve heard it all before.
If you won’t hold the corrupt accountable, if you won’t stop the abuses, then the people won’t listen, or care. Nearly half the people distrust the police right now. How long until it becomes more than half? How long before people start running for political office on the platform of accountability?
You’ll blame California, or Liberals, or whatever. It’s always the same. When the indefensible is finally rejected, it’s the fault of anyone who doesn’t march in lock step with your narrow minded view of what should happen.
People like you always want to ask who we will call if we need a cop? Well we don’t call the cops. We know that the cop is going to be an ass if he shows up, and frankly, we prefer to live, than be killed by some jackass with a badge and a gun.
Black communities stop calling 911 after instances of police brutality, research shows
What makes you think that people will call their abusers for help? They know better. Something you are absolutely ignorant of. I guess you might keep calling the people abusing you for help, but not everyone is so slow to learn the lesson.
I remember not long ago when a cop got his ass beat on as subway platform, and nobody came to help. The crowd recorded it laughing. Why? They did not see the cops as people who helped. They didn’t see the cops as the good guys. The cops were thugs, just with badges, and more untouchable than even the most notorious made man of the mafia. So who cares if a thug gets his ass beat? It was not a horrible example of the community. It was predictable, and predicted. You keep harassing people, fucking with them, and then expect them to lift a finger to help you? You’re shit out of luck buddy.
You tell folks that they don’t understand. Pfui. They understand. They see the corruption and abuses first hand. They have relatives and friends abused. They know. I know. A friend like you, who is a full throated supporter of the cops asked me a question not long ago. One of those armed citizens saved a cop stories. He asked me what I would have done. I told him that I would have broken out the popcorn and enjoyed the show. You see, I have no legal, moral, or constitutional duty to protect the police. Just as they have no constitutional duty to protect anyone else.
The community, the citizens didn’t make it us versus them. It was the cops who did it. The citizens never had the authority to get that animosity going.
So be my guest, demand that they lock up whoever you want. Demand that the cops use more force. Because every time they do, another group of people come over to the side that distrusts and resents police.
A truism from Star Wars, the original, backed up by history. The more you tighten your grip, the more that slips through your fingers. As Sparta, oh wait, they’re gone. Ask the Roman Empire, or Kaiser, or the Czar’s of Russia. I could go on and on and on. It has been demonstrated time after time in history, but it is a lesson you won’t learn.
There are always a bunch of fools like you. Idiots who argue that Stalin wasn’t brutal enough. Idiots who argue that it works, it wasn’t taken far enough. Those fools, on both sides of the aisle, who argue that obviously failed policies would have worked, if it was only done bigger, more extremely, are blithering idiots. Socialists who argue for states like the Soviet Union ignore the inevitable failure of those states. Just as idiots who argue for more brutality, although they pretend it’s just tougher justice, or tough on crime, or whatever, ignore how it doesn’t work in the long run. Oh well, they weren’t tough enough right?
Your question was answered many times, but you pretend it wasn’t so you can stand fast on the podium of ignorance while pretending that you are the only one who sees it clearly. Pfui.
