Official German police announcements over co-pilot Andreas Lubitz

[PaintMyHouse]

I can see jokes now, Germanwings, one way tickets only.

 

[Roadrunner]

guess that all the air travelers are going to be concerned ehh !! Me , I just won't fly , I prefer driving anyway .

Driving is more dangerous.

And where I used to could drive 1,200+ miles in 24 hours, I now find 700 too exhausting.

I'll fly in April, to avoid an 875 mile drive.

If it is my time to go, the plane will crash.

If it is not my time to go, it won't.

 

[Roadrunner]

put the lavatory in the cockpit or make it 3 person in the cockpit in case one pilot needs to walk away from the cockpit .

Absolutely an option, I would think.

And a dedicated to the cause suicide/murderer will find a way around that too, in time.

 

[orogenicman]

Thank you for this. Our lunatic fringe seems to have already decided he was a member of ISIS on a mission.

But that's what makes them the lunatic fringe.

Perhaps you would care to comment on the fact that Obama is hell bent on destroying Israel? And that you continue to support him.

Right. He is so hell bent on destroying Israel that billions in U.S. aid still flows there. What your statement has to do with the OP is a mystery.

 

[Roadrunner]

Furthermore - we certainly have the technology to prevent anyone but the pilot to pilot the plane.

No 1 has already been explained:

Pilots AND cabin crew have the code to unlock the cockpit. Only, a person inside the cockpit can lock that code out for a time period of 5 minutes, ergo, Lubitz locked out the attempt to give a code at least twice.

I think that is a very bad policy.
I would think the pilot of the airplane would have an override ability.
Dumb.

You mean a pilot outside of the cockpit?

Hmmm, for this very reason, they have that system, to keep a terrorist from forcing a pilot or co-pilot from entering the code. The negation of such a code from the inside would be the method of last resort. Apparently, no one ever thought that a co-pilot might want to use the "negate" method to commit suicide/multiple homocide.

No, I mean that the pilot, or as we call them in America - the Captain, is the only person who has an overide.
Or that crew members could contact the airline and they could overide the code from within. Without this, a terrorist once in the cockpit can easily prevent anyone else from getting in. That is not a great thing.
As well as we certainly, and easily have the technology to prevent someone from taking controls that is not the pilot. For instance a crew member contacts the airline, and the airline can lock the controls and instruct the plane to maintain a desired height. A terrorist takes over, but the controls lock him out.

Oh, I think that your idea is essentially a good one. But according to FAA regs and also European aviation regs, only registered and licensed pilots can transmit, and the main booster in order to sent the signal is usually on top of the cockpit, if memory serves.

This incident may cause a number of lawmakers and airplane architects to re-think some things.

For instance, in the big birds, there is often a crawl-space ABOVE the cockpit. An emergency door could be installed there. Or, although this would rob the plane of some space, built a lavatory into the cockpit.

There are some methods of getting around this problem, I would think.

There will always be a method for getting around the method.

Sad but true.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

put the lavatory in the cockpit or make it 3 person in the cockpit in case one pilot needs to walk away from the cockpit .

Absolutely an option, I would think.

And a dedicated to the cause suicide/murderer will find a way around that too, in time.

#43 and #44 are quite good RR. I'd dare to call them sane.

 

[Freewill]

What a bunch of crybaby BS we get from the holier then thou liberal left.

Yes there was speculation on what happened. Terrorism could not be ruled out and since most terrorism today is by Muslim EXTREMISTS then that was a logical guess.

What are the logical options, that the guy just decided to commit suicide taking a plane load of people with him? That would seem to be the most illogical, but apparently what happened. USUALLY when someone does something like this there is a reason, a cause they are dying for.

So it turns out that the speculation was wrong and the most of illogical of scenarios played out.

But, certainly the left has no right to cry foul. How many threads are started by the left with something to the effect, mass shooting, probably a Teaper. I bet right now if you looked you would see several posts started saying that some crime was committed by either a Teaper, Tea Bagger, White Christian, conservative or some other BS stereotype by the liberal left.

 

[pismoe]

I've heard that said all the time Roadrunner . My only answer is that with driving the person driving is in control rather than the crazy person or a jihadi driving the airplane .

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I've heard that said all the time Roadrunner . My only answer is that with driving the person driving is in control rather than the crazy person or a jihadi driving the airplane .

Doesn't account for the person driving 70 MPH, right towards you...

 

[Roadrunner]

I've heard that said all the time Roadrunner . My only answer is that with driving the person driving is in control rather than the crazy person or a jihadi driving the airplane .

It is not my driving that will kill me on the Interstate.

It will be a person twittering and tweeting or watching TV while driving.

You would not believe the number of people on the interstate driving while doing other things.

Hell, I will admit I get distracted changing radio stations.

But what goes on on the highway today, with all the personal electronic devices, is insane.

You should see some of the wrecks I have seen.

 

[Statistikhengst]

What a bunch of crybaby BS we get from the holier then thou liberal left.

Yes there was speculation on what happened. Terrorism could not be ruled out and since most terrorism today is by Muslim EXTREMISTS then that was a logical guess.

What are the logical options, that the guy just decided to commit suicide taking a plane load of people with him? That would seem to be the most illogical, but apparently what happened. USUALLY when someone does something like this there is a reason, a cause they are dying for.

So it turns out that the speculation was wrong and the most of illogical of scenarios played out.

But, certainly the left has no right to cry foul. How many threads are started by the left with something to the effect, mass shooting, probably a Teaper. I bet right now if you looked you would see several posts started saying that some crime was committed by either a Teaper, Tea Bagger, White Christian, conservative or some other BS stereotype by the liberal left.

Who is crying foul?

And who are you to make an educated guess about an incident that likely happened 5,000+ miles away from you?

Furthermore, the OP did not mention any specific group of people. YOU did.

Feeling guilty?

 

[Statistikhengst]

Thank you for this. Our lunatic fringe seems to have already decided he was a member of ISIS on a mission.

But that's what makes them the lunatic fringe.

Perhaps you would care to comment on the fact that Obama is hell bent on destroying Israel? And that you continue to support him.

Right. He is so hell bent on destroying Israel that billions in U.S. aid still flows there. What your statement has to do with the OP is a mystery.

It is a Magnum Mysterium.

 

[Roadrunner]

No 1 has already been explained:

Pilots AND cabin crew have the code to unlock the cockpit. Only, a person inside the cockpit can lock that code out for a time period of 5 minutes, ergo, Lubitz locked out the attempt to give a code at least twice.

I think that is a very bad policy.
I would think the pilot of the airplane would have an override ability.
Dumb.

You mean a pilot outside of the cockpit?

Hmmm, for this very reason, they have that system, to keep a terrorist from forcing a pilot or co-pilot from entering the code. The negation of such a code from the inside would be the method of last resort. Apparently, no one ever thought that a co-pilot might want to use the "negate" method to commit suicide/multiple homocide.

Let's face it.

Nothing can stop a person intent on murder or suicide, if they are dedicated.

Apparently this guy was just waiting for the right moment.

Had he been confined to his apartment, he could have just turned on the gas and blown up the whole building.

Where there's a will, there is always a way.

Just the way it is.

Indeed. I can't disagree with you about that, but we can learn from incidents like these.

We can learn from all sorts of things.

We can learn from lack of personal freedom in Germany.

I'd be up shit creek right now, since I am sick, if I was confined to my house because I went to the doctor.

Nearest ANYTHING is 25 miles away.

How could I refill my prescriptions, for example?

 

[jon_berzerk]

put the lavatory in the cockpit or make it 3 person in the cockpit in case one pilot needs to walk away from the cockpit .

Absolutely an option, I would think.

And a dedicated to the cause suicide/murderer will find a way around that too, in time.

indeed

 

[Freewill]

The knee jerk reaction to this could be is take control from the pilot. Planes can fly and land themselves without the pilot today. So maybe if the plane is above a certain attitude flying a normal flight path then control stays with auto pilot.

 

[Roadrunner]

The knee jerk reaction to this could be is take control from the pilot. Planes can fly and land themselves without the pilot today. So maybe if the plane is above a certain attitude flying a normal flight path then control stays with auto pilot.

Gee, why not just fire all pilots, and use robots?

Of course, some hacker could over-ride the robot.

Fact is, any system can be defeated.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Gee, why not just fire all pilots, and use robots?

Of course, some hacker could over-ride the robot.

Fact is, any system can be defeated.

Indeed.

 

[Freewill]

What a bunch of crybaby BS we get from the holier then thou liberal left.

Yes there was speculation on what happened. Terrorism could not be ruled out and since most terrorism today is by Muslim EXTREMISTS then that was a logical guess.

What are the logical options, that the guy just decided to commit suicide taking a plane load of people with him? That would seem to be the most illogical, but apparently what happened. USUALLY when someone does something like this there is a reason, a cause they are dying for.

So it turns out that the speculation was wrong and the most of illogical of scenarios played out.

But, certainly the left has no right to cry foul. How many threads are started by the left with something to the effect, mass shooting, probably a Teaper. I bet right now if you looked you would see several posts started saying that some crime was committed by either a Teaper, Tea Bagger, White Christian, conservative or some other BS stereotype by the liberal left.

Who is crying foul?

And who are you to make an educated guess about an incident that likely happened 5,000+ miles away from you?

Furthermore, the OP did not mention any specific group of people. YOU did.

Feeling guilty?

From you OP: But it's time for whackadoodle rumor-mill shit to stop and it's time to actually look at the facts as they come in, you know, like adults are supposed to do.

It's bad enough that this young man committed suicide and in doing so, brought about the death of 149 other people. That's multiple-homocide. That alone is horrible. There is not need to start rumors until we know ALL of the details.

You are about as subtle as a hydrogen bomb. The left wing comments throughout your thread speaks exactly to what I posted.

 

[Freewill]

The knee jerk reaction to this could be is take control from the pilot. Planes can fly and land themselves without the pilot today. So maybe if the plane is above a certain attitude flying a normal flight path then control stays with auto pilot.

Gee, why not just fire all pilots, and use robots?

Of course, some hacker could over-ride the robot.

Fact is, any system can be defeated.

The situation today is that computers fly planes and now they want cars and trucks to be driverless. The systems to do what I said are installed now on planes. So if they were to be hacked they could be hacked today. I had a pilot tell me that the only reason pilots land planes is to keep in practice.

Truthfully, I am thinking not too soon there won't be a pilot. Or the pilot is merely back up. Not that I want this but I just think it is the future.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Suicide plane. I'll bet the screenplay is already being written as we speak.