O'Donnell questions separation of church, state

[VaYank5150]

O'Donnell questions separation of church, state - Politics - Decision 2010 - msnbc.com

"Where in the Constitution is the separation of church and state?" O'Donnell asked him.

When Coons responded that the First Amendment bars Congress from making laws respecting the establishment of religion, O'Donnell asked: "You're telling me that's in the First Amendment?"

Her comments, in a debate aired on radio station WDEL, generated a buzz in the audience.

I thought these Tea Party candidates were all about Constitutionalism? WTF???

 

[del]

o'donnell's an idiot. past performance indicates that that is what's preferred by the delaware electorate. one way or the other, they'll get another one.

*shrug*

 

[uptownlivin90]

Well there goes the "constitutionalist" title.

 

[uscitizen]

Witches are unpredictable.

 

[Revere]

Where in the Constitution is the separation of church and state?

 

[manifold]

Is witchcraft considered a religion for this purpose?

hmmmm

 

[Lonestar_logic]

O'Donnell questions separation of church, state - Politics - Decision 2010 - msnbc.com

"Where in the Constitution is the separation of church and state?" O'Donnell asked him.

When Coons responded that the First Amendment bars Congress from making laws respecting the establishment of religion, O'Donnell asked: "You're telling me that's in the First Amendment?"

Her comments, in a debate aired on radio station WDEL, generated a buzz in the audience.

I thought these Tea Party candidates were all about Constitutionalism? WTF???

The separation of church and state is a fallacy. Our founding fathers did intend to keep government out of the religious arena by disallowing a national religion such as existed in England with the Church of England; however the intent was never to keep the church out of government.

Few American educated people, it seems, have the ability to critically analyze political spin. Case in point: separation of church and state. The far left has embarked on a massive propaganda campaign to socialize the masses into believing that the above is an absolute. Religion, therefore, and any reference to God should be anathema in politics, leg-islation and enactment of law.

The historical and philosophical facts are quite different however. Our fore fathers never envisioned an absolute separation of church and state. Most of them were religious people. Their model for government was based mostly on separation of powers. In their mind, the church, as an organized entity, should hold no formal position in government. They did not say or imply that the church should have no voice in pronouncing political descent. Nor did they ever envision a government devoid of references to Judeo-Christian theology or idealisms; and they never believed that the government must be completely secular.

Unfortunately, many people believe the liberal left’s machinations without regard to these historical facts. Their argument states that more wars have been fought in the name of religion than of any other source. They cry: ‘the marriage of religion and politic has produced the crusades, Inquisition and the Taliban’ etc. What they fail to mention is the melding of the secular with absolute power. This has produced virulently greater horrors as evidenced in the persons of Stalin (20+ million dead) and Hitler (11+ million). Not to mention the killing fields of Cambodia and other secular genocide committed in the name of a greater social order.

In rebuttal: firstly, the Declaration of Independence itself is a religious document. The preamble states the primary premise from which all of the other premises follow. The premise is: that all people are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. These ‘rights’ are not endowed by the state, nor by any secular entity, be it government or king, but by God. Secondly, the framers of the Constitution wrote the latter and the Bill of Rights etc. because they believed that legislating such documents into law was God’s will. Their very core ethos as Christians made them draw the conclusions written within the documents. You cannot separate these documents from their Judeo-Christian roots without tearing them asunder and laying them waste. Simply, the ethics contained in our Constitution are Judeo-Christian. Therefore our constitution is essentially a religious document. Thus, separation of church and state as the far left sees it is complete fallacy.

Lastly, it is neither religion nor people of faith who have produced the horrors mention above. It is an evil that knows no boundaries. It has transcended all times, peoples and cultures whether secular or religious. In the Christian gospels Jesus vehemently condemned one sin in particular above all others. The reason is that this sin has the potential of producing the greatest amount of evil. It is none other than the greatest of the seven deadly sins: humanities tendency toward self-righteous pride. Hitler, Stalin, Usama Bin Laden, all of these have been inebriated by this great sin. So absolute is its power to blind that one, when caught in its grip, could conceive genocide as justifiable - even when done in the name of God.
Separation of Church and State: the leftist fallacy exposed. - Tech Support Forums - TechIMO.com

 

[uscitizen]

Is witchcraft considered a religion for this purpose?

hmmmm

good question.

 

[topspin]

her tea bag supporters are almost as comicle as she is.

 

[Mad Scientist]

So according to The Bearded Marxist "Separation of Church and State" is in the Constitution?

Would someone please point out where?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

her tea bag supporters are almost as comicle as she is.

And you're still stupid, as usual.

 

[Sheldon]

What an ignoramus.

During the exchange, she said Coons' views on creationism showed that he believes in big-government mandates.
"Talk about imposing your beliefs on the local schools," she said. "You've just proved how little you know not just about constitutional law but about the theory of evolution."

She probably thinks evolution says that species inter-breed and humans evolved from chimps. I think Coons is going to run away with this; she's dead in the water.

 

[manifold]

So according to The Bearded Marxist "Separation of Church and State" is in the Constitution?

Would someone please point out where?

Really?

That's the argument you're going with? The academic time-capsule in a vacuum argument that ignores 200+ years of precedent and SCOTUS interpretation?

Ok, you win.

Your prize is in the mail.

 

[uptownlivin90]

So according to The Bearded Marxist "Separation of Church and State" is in the Constitution?

Would someone please point out where?

The term "Separation of Church and State" is a legal principle BASED ON the constitution and various other legal documents. Constitution-wise mainly:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ."

I think this statement alone is pretty clear, and you don't have to be a far left marxist to understand what it means. The fact is there are strict and loose interpretations of every law. Some lean toward the strict some lean toward the loose. I believe the strict works better in a free and democratic society.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

So according to The Bearded Marxist "Separation of Church and State" is in the Constitution?

Would someone please point out where?

They can't because it's not in there.

It is funny that when Pelosi said this “They ask me all the time, ‘What is your favorite this? What is your favorite that? What is your favorite that?’ And one time, ‘What is your favorite word?’ And I said, ‘My favorite word? That is really easy. My favorite word is the Word, is the Word. And that is everything. It says it all for us. And you know the biblical reference, you know the Gospel reference of the Word.” I didn't hear a peep from the liberal idiots about separation of church and state.

She was literally urging Catholic leaders to "instruct" their parishioners to support immigration reforms, saying clerics should "play a very major role" in supporting Democratic policies. "The people, some (who) oppose immigration reform, are sitting in those pews, and you have to tell them that this is a manifestation of our living the gospels," she said. Pelosi said the church "has an important role to play" in teaching about dignity and respect, and "as a practical matter" it's not possible to tell 12 million illegal immigrants to "go back to wherever you came from or go to jail."

That my friend IS a clear violation of the first amendment.

Nancy Pelosi says ?The Word? guides her politics | Washington Examiner
Pelosi Says She Has a Duty to Pursue Policies in Keeping With The Values of Jesus, 'The Word Made Flesh' | CNSnews.com

 

[VaYank5150]

So according to The Bearded Marxist "Separation of Church and State" is in the Constitution?

Would someone please point out where?

Is that your FINAL stand on this? REALLY?

 

[topspin]

her tea bag supporters are almost as comicle as she is.

And you're still stupid, as usual.

Lonestar I bet if you even went to college, it was prob A&M

 

[NYcarbineer]

Just more evidence that the Tea Party is the same old right wing of the Republican party, regurgitating the same old rightwing talking points and pushing the same old rightwing agenda we've endured for decades.

 

[NYcarbineer]

her tea bag supporters are almost as comicle as she is.

And you're still stupid, as usual.

Lonestar I bet if you even went to college, it was prob A&M

...where he majored in animal husbandry...

 

[VaYank5150]

Just more evidence that the Tea Party is the same old right wing of the Republican party, regurgitating the same old rightwing talking points and pushing the same old rightwing agenda we've endured for decades.

I don't know.....I am actually tempted to believe that these Tea Party candidates such as Angle and O'Donnell are actually DUMBER than Dubya......which is quite a feat!