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Amazing how the sour grapes from the OP led him to dishonor William H. McRaven by attempting to use his excellent service as a political tool.
One hot summer's day a Fox was strolling through an orchard till he came to a bunch of grapes just ripening on a vine which had been trained over a lofty branch. "Just the thing to quench my thirst," quoth he. Drawing back a few paces, he took a run and a jump, and just missed the bunch. Turning round again with a one, two, three, he jumped up, but with no greater success. Again and again he tried after the tempting morsel, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: "I am sure they are sour."
Speaking of sour-grapes, remember all the screeching that went on when Bush landed on that carrier, when our troops killed Saddam's sons and actually provided proof, when he finally captured Saddam???? Bet you felt it was criminal.
Don't talk about sour-grapes. You're not speaking from a position of strength I assure you.
Oh Bullshit. Aside from the fact he was still involved in ongoing operations he was a middle finger to the United States and a rallying cry for terrorists.
He's more a rallying cry for ignorant libs now. Obama's single greatest accomplishment. An accomplishment he falsely claimed to be a foreign policy success.
He doesn't even know the difference.
For someone who's "trained in special forces" you seem to know very little about how the covert world works.
Amazingly little.
What's really ironic is that Obama appointed McRaven to his job and publicly thanked him for his role in the capture of bin laden.Amazing how the sour grapes from the OP led him to dishonor William H. McRaven by attempting to use his excellent service as a political tool.
It's worse then sour grapes. They voted for a guy..who interacted with the family of one of the worst terrorists this nation had to deal with. And they voted for George W. Bush, twice.
It's hard to realize that the people they love so much..did so much harm to this country. Real live harm..that killed Americans.
Oh Bullshit. Aside from the fact he was still involved in ongoing operations he was a middle finger to the United States and a rallying cry for terrorists.
He's more a rallying cry for ignorant libs now. Obama's single greatest accomplishment. An accomplishment he falsely claimed to be a foreign policy success.
He doesn't even know the difference.
For someone who's "trained in special forces" you seem to know very little about how the covert world works.
Amazingly little.
What's really ironic is that Obama appointed McRaven to his job and publicly thanked him for his role in the capture of bin laden.Amazing how the sour grapes from the OP led him to dishonor William H. McRaven by attempting to use his excellent service as a political tool.
It's worse then sour grapes. They voted for a guy..who interacted with the family of one of the worst terrorists this nation had to deal with. And they voted for George W. Bush, twice.
It's hard to realize that the people they love so much..did so much harm to this country. Real live harm..that killed Americans.
Obama picked the right guy and these nits are still fucked in the head over it.
He's more a rallying cry for ignorant libs now. Obama's single greatest accomplishment. An accomplishment he falsely claimed to be a foreign policy success.
He doesn't even know the difference.
For someone who's "trained in special forces" you seem to know very little about how the covert world works.
Amazingly little.
Actually. if you believe that Obama was directly involved in locating Bin Laden then YOU know very little about how the covert world works.
Trust me when I say this.....Obama was not in the SR with the JCoS reviewing maps of caves and telling them where to look.
At BEST he was in the SR with the JCoS with maps and the JCoS telling HIM where they are looking.
But likely, that never happened either.
FYI....the CiC requires protection from international propoganda and is not privvy of much for that reason alone.
Obama gave a nod......that is all..
Oh yeah...and the ones hwo found him? They were the same ones looking for him under Bush.
He's more a rallying cry for ignorant libs now. Obama's single greatest accomplishment. An accomplishment he falsely claimed to be a foreign policy success.
He doesn't even know the difference.
For someone who's "trained in special forces" you seem to know very little about how the covert world works.
Amazingly little.
Special Forces A-Teams are not in the CIA. And anyone who's held a clearance knows about compartmentalization. Being on a "Need to know basis".
Do you understand what those terms mean?
Do even know what missions Green Berets are responsible for?
What's the difference between SEAL Teams and Special Forces "A" Teams?
How do their missions vary?
I know all of this by heart. My guess is without Google you think Rambo is the real fucken deal.
And he would have thrown him under the bus in short order.What's really ironic is that Obama appointed McRaven to his job and publicly thanked him for his role in the capture of bin laden.Amazing how the sour grapes from the OP led him to dishonor William H. McRaven by attempting to use his excellent service as a political tool.
It's worse then sour grapes. They voted for a guy..who interacted with the family of one of the worst terrorists this nation had to deal with. And they voted for George W. Bush, twice.
It's hard to realize that the people they love so much..did so much harm to this country. Real live harm..that killed Americans.
Obama picked the right guy and these nits are still fucked in the head over it.
For someone who's "trained in special forces" you seem to know very little about how the covert world works.
Amazingly little.
Actually. if you believe that Obama was directly involved in locating Bin Laden then YOU know very little about how the covert world works.
Trust me when I say this.....Obama was not in the SR with the JCoS reviewing maps of caves and telling them where to look.
At BEST he was in the SR with the JCoS with maps and the JCoS telling HIM where they are looking.
But likely, that never happened either.
FYI....the CiC requires protection from international propoganda and is not privvy of much for that reason alone.
Obama gave a nod......that is all..
Oh yeah...and the ones hwo found him? They were the same ones looking for him under Bush.
Pretty sure the involvement was much more then that.
And I had a thread that something was going on in Pakistan, a long time ago..when an "official" got into a ruckus in a street shooting. I pegged that guy as a spook...to the jeers of many people here..until it came out he was a spook.
Actually. if you believe that Obama was directly involved in locating Bin Laden then YOU know very little about how the covert world works.
Trust me when I say this.....Obama was not in the SR with the JCoS reviewing maps of caves and telling them where to look.
At BEST he was in the SR with the JCoS with maps and the JCoS telling HIM where they are looking.
But likely, that never happened either.
FYI....the CiC requires protection from international propoganda and is not privvy of much for that reason alone.
Obama gave a nod......that is all..
Oh yeah...and the ones hwo found him? They were the same ones looking for him under Bush.
Pretty sure the involvement was much more then that.
And I had a thread that something was going on in Pakistan, a long time ago..when an "official" got into a ruckus in a street shooting. I pegged that guy as a spook...to the jeers of many people here..until it came out he was a spook.
You are pretty sure about something you are completely wrong about.
Obama was not involved in hunting down a wanted man in Pakistan. He is not properly trained to do such work. His involvement would have done 2 things:
1) Jeopardized the lives of those searching as well as their success
2) Jeopardized his security as CiC
There is a reason why many covert operations do not reach the highest level in the chain of command.
Why do you think Obama was not aware of our country selling arms to the enemy of an ally and neighbor (Mexico)?....referring to fast and furious.....
For someone who's "trained in special forces" you seem to know very little about how the covert world works.
Amazingly little.
Special Forces A-Teams are not in the CIA. And anyone who's held a clearance knows about compartmentalization. Being on a "Need to know basis".
Do you understand what those terms mean?
Do even know what missions Green Berets are responsible for?
What's the difference between SEAL Teams and Special Forces "A" Teams?
How do their missions vary?
I know all of this by heart. My guess is without Google you think Rambo is the real fucken deal.
I don't think you know shit.
I've worked with spooks. None of them come off like you do.
Pretty sure the involvement was much more then that.
And I had a thread that something was going on in Pakistan, a long time ago..when an "official" got into a ruckus in a street shooting. I pegged that guy as a spook...to the jeers of many people here..until it came out he was a spook.
You are pretty sure about something you are completely wrong about.
Obama was not involved in hunting down a wanted man in Pakistan. He is not properly trained to do such work. His involvement would have done 2 things:
1) Jeopardized the lives of those searching as well as their success
2) Jeopardized his security as CiC
There is a reason why many covert operations do not reach the highest level in the chain of command.
Why do you think Obama was not aware of our country selling arms to the enemy of an ally and neighbor (Mexico)?....referring to fast and furious.....
And that's crap. Bin Laden was a high value and high priority target.
The President has daily briefings with intelligence and knows much more about what's going on then the Congress. Jimmy Carter was fully aware of and authorized the rescue mission sent the free the Iranian hostages. He took the full blame for that one.
Which is why..thinking people know that George W. Bush is much more to blame for the Iraqi debacle then the congress. The congress got intelligence that was filtered through the office of the President.
When it comes to small unit military tactics......I am.
I've been trained on it for years.
It's not something you can learn just by reading a book. You have to put a plan into action before you can discover what works and what doesn't. I've done enough missions, enough mission planning, I've been in plenty of isolations, and enough brief-backs to say I probably know the subject better than he does.
No, you're not.
You're dumbed down via partisanship and hatred, and you're a tiny shred of a man having to obsessively come on here each day and think of little nancy nit pickin, corny shit to poke at another man's life about. You're the equivalent of Perez Hilton, the fucking celebrity gossip queen.
I'm a retired Green Beret and former Special Forces Detachment "Alpha" member. If I was active-duty I wouldn't have any time to waste on budknockers like you.
What's really ironic is that Obama appointed McRaven to his job and publicly thanked him for his role in the capture of bin laden.It's worse then sour grapes. They voted for a guy..who interacted with the family of one of the worst terrorists this nation had to deal with. And they voted for George W. Bush, twice.
It's hard to realize that the people they love so much..did so much harm to this country. Real live harm..that killed Americans.
Obama picked the right guy and these nits are still fucked in the head over it.
in other words....
"I really know nothing about the military and how it operates"
You really dont Ravi. I suggest you do a little research and not just go by what a few pundits say.
And he would have thrown him under the bus in short order.What's really ironic is that Obama appointed McRaven to his job and publicly thanked him for his role in the capture of bin laden.It's worse then sour grapes. They voted for a guy..who interacted with the family of one of the worst terrorists this nation had to deal with. And they voted for George W. Bush, twice.
It's hard to realize that the people they love so much..did so much harm to this country. Real live harm..that killed Americans.
Obama picked the right guy and these nits are still fucked in the head over it.
Btw, looking at his picture in the OP can you tell me what kind of unit he was in?
I can.
What's really ironic is that Obama appointed McRaven to his job and publicly thanked him for his role in the capture of bin laden.
Obama picked the right guy and these nits are still fucked in the head over it.
in other words....
"I really know nothing about the military and how it operates"
You really dont Ravi. I suggest you do a little research and not just go by what a few pundits say.
Are you claiming that Obama didn't appoint him and didn't thank him publicly?
You are pretty sure about something you are completely wrong about.
Obama was not involved in hunting down a wanted man in Pakistan. He is not properly trained to do such work. His involvement would have done 2 things:
1) Jeopardized the lives of those searching as well as their success
2) Jeopardized his security as CiC
There is a reason why many covert operations do not reach the highest level in the chain of command.
Why do you think Obama was not aware of our country selling arms to the enemy of an ally and neighbor (Mexico)?....referring to fast and furious.....
And that's crap. Bin Laden was a high value and high priority target.
The President has daily briefings with intelligence and knows much more about what's going on then the Congress. Jimmy Carter was fully aware of and authorized the rescue mission sent the free the Iranian hostages. He took the full blame for that one.
Which is why..thinking people know that George W. Bush is much more to blame for the Iraqi debacle then the congress. The congress got intelligence that was filtered through the office of the President.
You are quite naive in regard to cvovert operations.
The CiC will always take the blame for a fialed mission...that is his job...although something tells me Obama would blame someone beneath him.
But if you think being briefed is the same as "making the calls" you are sadly mistaken.
And that's crap. Bin Laden was a high value and high priority target.
The President has daily briefings with intelligence and knows much more about what's going on then the Congress. Jimmy Carter was fully aware of and authorized the rescue mission sent the free the Iranian hostages. He took the full blame for that one.
Which is why..thinking people know that George W. Bush is much more to blame for the Iraqi debacle then the congress. The congress got intelligence that was filtered through the office of the President.
You are quite naive in regard to cvovert operations.
The CiC will always take the blame for a fialed mission...that is his job...although something tells me Obama would blame someone beneath him.
But if you think being briefed is the same as "making the calls" you are sadly mistaken.
Not mistaken at all. The President sets the policy. And calls the shots.
It's no mistake that John Yoo was called in to help President George W. Bush set the policy on torture. This was something that the Bush administration was fully aware of..despite claims to contrary. Same with domestic spying. Prior to the Times story..President Bush said that warrants would be sought before wire taps went out. Which is why he was so pissed about that story. He got caught in a big fat lie.
