Obama wants credit for trying

[candycorn]

I wonder if Michelle was ever the prom queen?

The Rock (fuck the prom queen) - YouTube

I'm betting she was.

 

[Bfgrn]

The notion that people die because they don't have insurance is just a lefty lie meant to terrify people into supporting the health care act. It has no basis in truth. None. I challenge the idiot to provide one real example of someone who died from not having insurance.

People are not dying at home of treatable diseases because they don't have health care. It's not happening. This is right up there with saying "if you don't support this tax, old people will die!!! Children will suffer!!!"

It's just scare tactics.

WOW, the right wing mind is something to behold. You really can't be THAT fucking stupid, are you koshergrl. Please tell me you are 5 years old.

Deaths preventable in the U.S. by improvements in use of clinical preventive services

For example, the all-cause model predicted that every 10% increase in hypertension treatment would lead to an additional 14,000 deaths prevented and every 10% increase in treatment of elevated low-density lipoprotein cholesterol or aspirin prophylaxis would lead to 8000 deaths prevented in those aged <80 years, per year. Overall, the models suggest that optimal use of all of these interventions could prevent 50,000-100,000 deaths per year in those aged <80 years and 25,000-40,000 deaths per year in those aged <65 years.


CONCLUSIONS:

Substantial improvements in population health are achievable through greater use of a small number of preventive services. Healthcare systems should maximize use of these services.

2010 American Journal of Preventive Medicine. All rights reserved.

 

[koshergrl]

Bullshit. Your link doesn't have the word "insurance" anywhere in it.

Like I said, it's just a lie.

 

[Bfgrn]

Bullshit. Bullshit link, bullshit claim.

Yea, dogma trumps science. You are a retard.

 

[frazzledgear]

Is there I pull out the SEIU videos and Van Jones remarks?


Difference being, I'm not making a claim of Treason.

That's a serious charge, boy.

Plotting to defeat your pet bill =/= treason.

Have your 4th grade Social Studies teacher explain it to you.

3,000 Americans were killed by terrorist on 911. 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care.

OK, then Republicans are terrorists. Glad we can agree cowpoke.

Wow! You do realize that everyone dies? Sooner or later, we all take a dirt nap.

The "stat" claiming 45000 people die very year due to lack of insurance is bogus. People demanding the destruction of our health care system and insisting we must remake it into another copy of a mediocre one are either intentional liars or total ignoramuses. And repeating lying ass made up stats deliberately tailored to suit a poltical agenda.

What proponents don't tell you is while the number of people going without insurance is fairly constant - it isn't the very same people going without it! To listen to them you envision the same desperately ill people crawling helplessly in the street year after year, all their lives -seeking treatment only to be kicked in the teeth untl they finally croak right there in the street. Except it is phony. 65% of those without insurance at any given time will have it within three months and 85% will have it within 6 months and close to 95% by 12 months. Those who are without insurance at any given time are not CHRONICALLY without insurance and are NOT the same people. It is a TEMPORARY problem for the overwhelming vast majority. So it's hard to claim those going without insurance for an average few MONTHS are DYING by the tens of thousands every year for lack of medical care due to lack of insurance - but lets pretend it's true anyway and repeat lying ass bullshit like that because it plays better than the truth. People are NOT dying by the tens of thousands every year because of no insurance- it's a fabricated nonexistent "stat" constructed and based on our yearly morality rates (death is inevitable) where a completely arbitrary percent were just magically deemed to have occurred for lack of insurance. It is completely and falsely fabricated by POLITICAL IDEOLOGUES, not based on FACT.

Of the remaining 15% without insurance at any given time, the vast majority are young, healthy single people with no dependents for whom going without insurance can be a sound financial decision. Yeah the left doesn't want to acknowledge that one but it's true - going without insurance can be a sound financial decision during this period of life. This group seeks health insurance as their situation changes with marriage and dependent children - the same way they don't bother buying life insurance until that point either. These are the people Pelosi insulted and called "freeloaders" as if they are getting medical care for "free" when in fact these are people who don't even access the system at all because they don't need it. THIS is actually the target group by the left trying to FORCE them to buy insurance against their will - young, healthy people who don't need medical care and don't seek it but whose MONEY is needed to help prop up the mediocre, unsustainable system the left desperately seeks to impose on us all.

And also never mentioned are those who are financially well off and refuse to buy insurance and thereby turn over control of their health and their medical decisions to a third party - AS IS THEIR RIGHT. They are the minority of those going without insurance but NOT an insignificant number. Insurance is a BET that they can get you to pay more for your medical care indirectly than you would voluntarily choose to pay if you had just paid for it yourself directly in the first place. It is a bet they make sure they win. Whether it is a private insurer or government.

The other major deception the proponents are playing is the idiotic claim that insurance equals quality medical care! Insurance does NOT guarantee QUALITY and in fact with government controlled systems, guarantees mediocrity at best. AT BEST. Insurance is not quality care and is total bullshit pretending otherwise and provably so- just look at the UK. They created an unsustainable system and in order to stave off its collapse a little longer are denying medical care and treatment to the very people who NEED it while rewarding and encouraging the over utilization of the system by those who don't need it. This forces the ill to wait even longer for treatment, their condition worsens, becomes more difficult to treat or changes from treatable to resistant and even to incurable. The people suffering under Britain's system are the SICK. As a result their morbidity and mortality rates for diseases and conditions that are still dropping in this country- have reversed and are RISING- for high blood pressure, all sorts of cancers including breast and prostate, stroke, diabetes etc., etc., etc. It is shocking and undeniable. Britain's system is PROVABLY not making their people healthier but SICKER and is responsible for KILLING thousands every year now. Killed by their own government given the power to put a dollar value on the lives of its citizens and then FORCE them to accept that. No matter what value the individual places on their OWN life. Under their system the true owner of that life is no longer the individual but the government. Not even touching the disaster north of us people like to pretend is working well when in fact it's unsustainability is already undeniably clear. It doesn't take long for government to realize treating sick people is far more costly than "treating" healthy people wo don't need it. Therefore the cost cutters go after them and it is the SICK who will be denied treatment. As is already happening in the UK- and denied treatment even if it shortens their life and damages their quality of life. Yet the entire point of the medical system is to restore SICK people to as near normal as possible and improve their quality of life when it can't. Because THAT is what TRUE compassion, care and concern for others REALLY looks like!

Obama made no bones about the fact he wanted to fundamentally change our system from one that existed for the benefit of sick people- to one that existed for the benefit of healthy people in order to keep them healthy. Doesnt get any more blatant about the system he wants and who will REALLY suffer the most for it. The very people who NEED it because the left wants to make its existence for the benefit of those who dont need it. Because "treating" healthy people is a hell of a lot cheaper than treating SICK people! So the left lies and insists if healthy people flood the system when they don't NEED medical care -it will magically keep them healthy. Except preventative health care is a provable colossal waste of precious resources and seeing a doctor when healthy will NOT keep you healthy. Not an opinion on that- it's FACT and it is one the left is fully aware of but doesn't give a shit and will never let get in their way. What the left is pushing has nothing to do with any "concern" for people, much less sick people. It is just another means the left uses to wrest power and rights from individuals and turn it over to the massive, all powerful government in total control of every aspect of our lives they bust their asses to see inflicted on us all. The left BURNS with a hot desire to control and run YOUR life as they see fit-not as YOU see fit. If government controls your medical care, it controls YOU - and as Brits have found out, that means forcing them to die an early death once government decides they just aren't worth it to "allow" them medical treatment, even if it is curative. You will end up paying more than 8 times what you would have if you had voluntarily paid it out of pocket in the first place instead of indirectly -all so you can see a doctor to tell you that cold will go away by itself in 10 days but to be denied medical treatment when you NEED it the most most. Screw that hip replacement for your 72 year mom even if it means she will be forced to forfeit her mobility and independence, forced to live out the rest of her life in a wheelchair and even though it will provably shorten her life expectancy by years. Forced to die years early and forced to be necessarily miserable the entire time. THAT is what passes for "compassion" by the left. But console yourself and pat yourself on the back for the glorious system where government saved money by forcing your mom to die years earlier than she would have and forced her to endure a far, far worse quality of life until she did. Because people who spent decades contributing to the system and now no longer contributing should just DIE anyway as the useless people the left considers them to be. THAT is the real point of the system the left seeks to inflict on us all in the first place. Weed out the handicapped, disabled, brain damaged, the unwanted, the ill, elderly and kick them off the planet. The left always insists they are the true owners and reserve the right to dispose of those they view as trash - and old, sick people are just trash who the sooner they die, the more money for the healthy. The most MURDEROUS and deadly regimes that pose the greatest threat to its own citizens- are always leftist. Always- and One way or another playing god with your life is the power the left lusts after.

Our poor receive free medical care courtesy of taxpayers. It is excessively costly and inefficiently run, rife with a level of fraud and waste that doesn't exist to that extent with private insurance - and not at all when the consumer pays directly for the service instead of indirectly. A system where the average claim filed by doctors and hospitals is automatically rejected an average five times just to discourage filing at all and delay the outlay of money by cash strapped government with many not bothering to file at all and just eat the cost and now increasingly refuse to accept Medicaid patients BECAUSE of that crappy stunt cheating doctors and hospitals out of timely payments. Government will try to gyp doctors and hospitals out of a timely compensation no matter what hardship it inflicts on them to meet overhead costs. It is this very system the left is trying to expand and impose on us all, it is the destruction of private health insurance and people herded onto the Medicaid rolls. But SURE- putting millions MORE into the system will MAGICALLY turn our entire system into unicorn tears and rainbows! Right.

 

[koshergrl]

Quote the part in that abstract that says that people die from not having insurance, you liar.

 

[flacaltenn]

The notion that people die because they don't have insurance is just a lefty lie meant to terrify people into supporting the health care act. It has no basis in truth. None. I challenge the idiot to provide one real example of someone who died from not having insurance.

People are not dying at home of treatable diseases because they don't have health care. It's not happening. This is right up there with saying "if you don't support this tax, old people will die!!! Children will suffer!!!"

It's just scare tactics.

WOW, the right wing mind is something to behold. You really can't be THAT fucking stupid, are you koshergrl. Please tell me you are 5 years old.

Deaths preventable in the U.S. by improvements in use of clinical preventive services

For example, the all-cause model predicted that every 10% increase in hypertension treatment would lead to an additional 14,000 deaths prevented and every 10% increase in treatment of elevated low-density lipoprotein cholesterol or aspirin prophylaxis would lead to 8000 deaths prevented in those aged <80 years, per year. Overall, the models suggest that optimal use of all of these interventions could prevent 50,000-100,000 deaths per year in those aged <80 years and 25,000-40,000 deaths per year in those aged <65 years.


CONCLUSIONS:

Substantial improvements in population health are achievable through greater use of a small number of preventive services. Healthcare systems should maximize use of these services.

2010 American Journal of Preventive Medicine. All rights reserved.

Aspirin prophylaxis? You need 30,000 bureaucrats and a $Trill to get that done? Hyperlipidosis? About $0.25 per day...

Trust me -- PREVENTATIVE stuff like that could be done tomorrow with just the coffee/donut budget for all those new IRS agents...

 

[koshergrl]

Meanwhile, they are stripping coverage for acute care, and forcing people into managed care with doctors they don't like or trust, and who don't have time for them.

It's already happening. It's called Medicaid. Medicaid is always a few months ahead of Obamacare with changes. We just sent out reduction letters this month, telling people their care was changing for the worse. A year or so, the change was to remove dental and vision. Now it's acute care coverage.

 

[Bfgrn]

Quote the part in that abstract that says that people die from not having insurance, you liar.

I'm sorry, I forgot I am dealing with a word bound right winger who can't connect dots.

The article I posted proves that preventative care saves lives. Most people with a cognitive level above severe retardation understand that fact. It also saves money, because treatment for preventable diseases in their early stages costs much less than treatments for advanced stages where heroic measures are needed.

The Uninsured

Having no health insurance also often means that people will postpone necessary care and forego preventive care - such as childhood immunizations and routine check-ups completely. Because the uninsured usually have no regular doctor and limited access to prescription medications, they are more likely to be hospitalized for health conditions that could have been avoided.

Delaying care for fear of medical bills is a downward spiral that leads to ultimately higher health care costs for all of us. More than one third of uninsured adults reported they have problems paying their bills, which helps explain why many of the uninsured don't seek out the care they need until the last minute. But when an uninsured person is in crisis and cannot pay, that burden falls upon the insured population, the hospitals, the doctors and the government. And these billions of dollars of "uncompensated care" drive up health insurance premiums for everyone.

"The people who are most at risk today are those who have no health insurance at all. They're at risk of not getting regular care when they need it. They're at risk of not catching real problems before they get serious enough to not be treatable. They're at risk of not getting the best treatment when they actually do get sick. And they're at tremendous financial risk. They could lose everything that they've saved in their lives because of some even fairly minor health problem."

--Sherry Glied, PhD, Associate Professor of Public Health, Columbia University


45,000 American deaths associated with lack of insurance

A freelance cameraman's appendix ruptured and by the time he was admitted to surgery, it was too late. A self-employed mother of two is found dead in bed from undiagnosed heart disease. A 26-year-old aspiring fashion designer collapsed in her bathroom after feeling unusually fatigued for days.

What all three of these people have in common is that they experienced symptoms, but didn't seek care because they were uninsured and they worried about the hospital expense, according to their families. All three died.

45,000 American deaths associated with lack of insurance - CNN


Health Insurance and Mortality in US Adults

Andrew P. Wilper, MD, MPH, Steffie Woolhandler, MD, MPH, Karen E. Lasser, MD, MPH, Danny McCormick, MD, MPH, David H. Bor, MD,
and David U. Himmelstein, MD

The United States stands alone among industrialized nations in not providing health coverage to all of its citizens. Currently, 46 million Americans lack health coverage.1 Despite repeated attempts to expand health insurance, uninsurance remains commonplace among US adults.

Health insurance facilitates access to health care services and helps protect against the high costs of catastrophic illness. Relative to the uninsured, insured Americans are more likely to obtain recommended screening and care for chronic conditions2 and are less likely to suffer undiagnosed chronic conditions3 or to receive substandard medical care.4

Numerous investigators have found an association between uninsurance and death.5–14 The Institute of Medicine (IOM) estimated that 18314 Americans aged between 25 and 64
years die annually because of lack of health insurance, comparable to deaths because of diabetes, stroke, or homicide in 2001 among persons aged 25 to 64 years.4 The IOM estimate was largely based on a single study by Franks et al.5 However, these data are now more than 20 years old; both medical therapeutics and the demography of the uninsured have changed in the interim.

We analyzed data from the Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES III). NHANES III collected data on a representative sample of Americans, with vital status follow-up through 2000. Our objective was to evaluate the relationship between uninsurance and death.

Conclusions

Lack of health insurance is associated with as many as 44789 deaths per year in the United States, more than those caused by kidney disease (n=42868).41 The increased risk of death attributable to uninsurance suggests that alternative measures of access to medical care for the uninsured, such as community health centers, do not provide the protection of private health insurance. Despite widespread acknowledgment that enacting universal coverage would be life saving, doing so remains politically thorny.

http://pnhp.org/excessdeaths/health-insurance-and-mortality-in-US-adults.pdf

 

[koshergrl]

Word bound = honest, you scum. You provide a link that is supposed to support your statement that lack of insurance kills people..

Your link doesn't come even close to that. It's just garbage that says preventative medicine could help.

People WITH insurance don't utilize preventative medicine, so stop with your dishonest twaddle and pick up your goosestep, propagandist.

 

[gallantwarrior]

3,000 Americans were killed by terrorist on 911. 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care.

OK, then Republicans are terrorists. Glad we can agree cowpoke.

Wow! You do realize that everyone dies? Sooner or later, we all take a dirt nap.

The "stat" claiming 45000 people die very year due to lack of insurance is bogus. People demanding the destruction of our health care system and insisting we must remake it into another copy of a mediocre one are either intentional liars or total ignoramuses. And repeating lying ass made up stats deliberately tailored to suit a poltical agenda.

What proponents don't tell you is while the number of people going without insurance is fairly constant - it isn't the very same people going without it! To listen to them you envision the same desperately ill people crawling helplessly in the street year after year, all their lives -seeking treatment only to be kicked in the teeth untl they finally croak right there in the street. Except it is phony. 65% of those without insurance at any given time will have it within three months and 85% will have it within 6 months and close to 95% by 12 months. Those who are without insurance at any given time are not CHRONICALLY without insurance and are NOT the same people. It is a TEMPORARY problem for the overwhelming vast majority. So it's hard to claim those going without insurance for an average few MONTHS are DYING by the tens of thousands every year for lack of medical care due to lack of insurance - but lets pretend it's true anyway and repeat lying ass bullshit like that because it plays better than the truth. People are NOT dying by the tens of thousands every year because of no insurance- it's a fabricated nonexistent "stat" constructed and based on our yearly morality rates (death is inevitable) where a completely arbitrary percent were just magically deemed to have occurred for lack of insurance. It is completely and falsely fabricated by POLITICAL IDEOLOGUES, not based on FACT.

Of the remaining 15% without insurance at any given time, the vast majority are young, healthy single people with no dependents for whom going without insurance can be a sound financial decision. Yeah the left doesn't want to acknowledge that one but it's true - going without insurance can be a sound financial decision during this period of life. This group seeks health insurance as their situation changes with marriage and dependent children - the same way they don't bother buying life insurance until that point either. These are the people Pelosi insulted and called "freeloaders" as if they are getting medical care for "free" when in fact these are people who don't even access the system at all because they don't need it. THIS is actually the target group by the left trying to FORCE them to buy insurance against their will - young, healthy people who don't need medical care and don't seek it but whose MONEY is needed to help prop up the mediocre, unsustainable system the left desperately seeks to impose on us all.

And also never mentioned are those who are financially well off and refuse to buy insurance and thereby turn over control of their health and their medical decisions to a third party - AS IS THEIR RIGHT. They are the minority of those going without insurance but NOT an insignificant number. Insurance is a BET that they can get you to pay more for your medical care indirectly than you would voluntarily choose to pay if you had just paid for it yourself directly in the first place. It is a bet they make sure they win. Whether it is a private insurer or government.

The other major deception the proponents are playing is the idiotic claim that insurance equals quality medical care! Insurance does NOT guarantee QUALITY and in fact with government controlled systems, guarantees mediocrity at best. AT BEST. Insurance is not quality care and is total bullshit pretending otherwise and provably so- just look at the UK. They created an unsustainable system and in order to stave off its collapse a little longer are denying medical care and treatment to the very people who NEED it while rewarding and encouraging the over utilization of the system by those who don't need it. This forces the ill to wait even longer for treatment, their condition worsens, becomes more difficult to treat or changes from treatable to resistant and even to incurable. The people suffering under Britain's system are the SICK. As a result their morbidity and mortality rates for diseases and conditions that are still dropping in this country- have reversed and are RISING- for high blood pressure, all sorts of cancers including breast and prostate, stroke, diabetes etc., etc., etc. It is shocking and undeniable. Britain's system is PROVABLY not making their people healthier but SICKER and is responsible for KILLING thousands every year now. Killed by their own government given the power to put a dollar value on the lives of its citizens and then FORCE them to accept that. No matter what value the individual places on their OWN life. Under their system the true owner of that life is no longer the individual but the government. Not even touching the disaster north of us people like to pretend is working well when in fact it's unsustainability is already undeniably clear. It doesn't take long for government to realize treating sick people is far more costly than "treating" healthy people wo don't need it. Therefore the cost cutters go after them and it is the SICK who will be denied treatment. As is already happening in the UK- and denied treatment even if it shortens their life and damages their quality of life. Yet the entire point of the medical system is to restore SICK people to as near normal as possible and improve their quality of life when it can't. Because THAT is what TRUE compassion, care and concern for others REALLY looks like!

Obama made no bones about the fact he wanted to fundamentally change our system from one that existed for the benefit of sick people- to one that existed for the benefit of healthy people in order to keep them healthy. Doesnt get any more blatant about the system he wants and who will REALLY suffer the most for it. The very people who NEED it because the left wants to make its existence for the benefit of those who dont need it. Because "treating" healthy people is a hell of a lot cheaper than treating SICK people! So the left lies and insists if healthy people flood the system when they don't NEED medical care -it will magically keep them healthy. Except preventative health care is a provable colossal waste of precious resources and seeing a doctor when healthy will NOT keep you healthy. Not an opinion on that- it's FACT and it is one the left is fully aware of but doesn't give a shit and will never let get in their way. What the left is pushing has nothing to do with any "concern" for people, much less sick people. It is just another means the left uses to wrest power and rights from individuals and turn it over to the massive, all powerful government in total control of every aspect of our lives they bust their asses to see inflicted on us all. The left BURNS with a hot desire to control and run YOUR life as they see fit-not as YOU see fit. If government controls your medical care, it controls YOU - and as Brits have found out, that means forcing them to die an early death once government decides they just aren't worth it to "allow" them medical treatment, even if it is curative. You will end up paying more than 8 times what you would have if you had voluntarily paid it out of pocket in the first place instead of indirectly -all so you can see a doctor to tell you that cold will go away by itself in 10 days but to be denied medical treatment when you NEED it the most most. Screw that hip replacement for your 72 year mom even if it means she will be forced to forfeit her mobility and independence, forced to live out the rest of her life in a wheelchair and even though it will provably shorten her life expectancy by years. Forced to die years early and forced to be necessarily miserable the entire time. THAT is what passes for "compassion" by the left. But console yourself and pat yourself on the back for the glorious system where government saved money by forcing your mom to die years earlier than she would have and forced her to endure a far, far worse quality of life until she did. Because people who spent decades contributing to the system and now no longer contributing should just DIE anyway as the useless people the left considers them to be. THAT is the real point of the system the left seeks to inflict on us all in the first place. Weed out the handicapped, disabled, brain damaged, the unwanted, the ill, elderly and kick them off the planet. The left always insists they are the true owners and reserve the right to dispose of those they view as trash - and old, sick people are just trash who the sooner they die, the more money for the healthy. The most MURDEROUS and deadly regimes that pose the greatest threat to its own citizens- are always leftist. Always- and One way or another playing god with your life is the power the left lusts after.

Our poor receive free medical care courtesy of taxpayers. It is excessively costly and inefficiently run, rife with a level of fraud and waste that doesn't exist to that extent with private insurance - and not at all when the consumer pays directly for the service instead of indirectly. A system where the average claim filed by doctors and hospitals is automatically rejected an average five times just to discourage filing at all and delay the outlay of money by cash strapped government with many not bothering to file at all and just eat the cost and now increasingly refuse to accept Medicaid patients BECAUSE of that crappy stunt cheating doctors and hospitals out of timely payments. Government will try to gyp doctors and hospitals out of a timely compensation no matter what hardship it inflicts on them to meet overhead costs. It is this very system the left is trying to expand and impose on us all, it is the destruction of private health insurance and people herded onto the Medicaid rolls. But SURE- putting millions MORE into the system will MAGICALLY turn our entire system into unicorn tears and rainbows! Right.

EXCELLENT POST! You've laid things out very completely. Too bad I'm out of rep right now.

 

[gallantwarrior]

I DID back them up. Have mommy read them to you cowboy.

Need MORE?

HERE is the former executive VP head of public relations for CIGNA, one on the largest insurance companies in the country Wendell Potter, exposing Republicans parroting Frank Luntz talking points that were scripted to defeat health care reform.

Is there I pull out the SEIU videos and Van Jones remarks?


Difference being, I'm not making a claim of Treason.

That's a serious charge, boy.

Plotting to defeat your pet bill =/= treason.

Have your 4th grade Social Studies teacher explain it to you.

3,000 Americans were killed by terrorist on 911. 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care.

OK, then Republicans are terrorists. Glad we can agree cowpoke.

Even if every one of the 3000 killed on 9/11 had health insurance, just how would that have saved them?

 

[Bfgrn]

Word bound = honest, you scum. You provide a link that is supposed to support your statement that lack of insurance kills people..

Your link doesn't come even close to that. It's just garbage that says preventative medicine could help.

People WITH insurance don't utilize preventative medicine, so stop with your dishonest twaddle and pick up your goosestep, propagandist.

Word bound is the least of your problems. I suggest you utilize preventative psychological services. I suspect severe retardation will be the diagnosis.

BTW, you asked for a name...

For years, Paul Hannum didn't have health insurance while he worked as a freelance cameraman in southern California.

One Sunday, Hannum complained of a stomachache which alarmed his pregnant fiancée, Sarah Percy. "He wasn't a complainer," she said. "He's the type of guy who, if he got a cold, he'll power through it. I never had known him to complain about anything."

Hannum thought he had a stomach flu or food poisoning from bad chicken. On Monday, his brother saw him looking ashen and urged him to go to the hospital. "He had a little girl on the way," his older brother Curtis Hannum said. "He didn't want the added burden of an ER visit to hang on their finances. He thought 'I'll just wait,' and he got worse and worse."

By the time Hannum got to the hospital and was admitted to surgery, it was too late.

Paul Hannum, 45, died on Thursday, August 3, 2006, from a ruptured appendix. His daughter, Cameron was born two months later.

 

[koshergrl]

Link?

Lol...seriously, you think medicaid pays ER bills across the board?

Nope. Particularly if you happen to be outside your coverage area. You go the ER, then an insurance agent decides whether or not your emergency should be covered.

And often, it isn't.

And people often mistake appendix symptoms for something that isn't urgent, and by the time they realize it's urgent, it's too late. That's the thing about appendicitis. And, genius...it can't be predicted or prevented no matter HOW many preventative care visits you make on the state dime.

In other words, piss poor example. Completely irrelevant to the topic, as your abstract was, and as anything else you dredge up will be.

Because lack of insurance doesn't kill people. Insurance won't prevent appendicitis.

 

[Bfgrn]

Link?

Lol...seriously, you think medicaid pays ER bills across the board?

Nope. Particularly if you happen to be outside your coverage area. You go the ER, then an insurance agent decides whether or not your emergency should be covered.

And often, it isn't.

And people often mistake appendix symptoms for something that isn't urgent, and by the time they realize it's urgent, it's too late. That's the thing about appendicitis. And, genius...it can't be predicted or prevented no matter HOW many preventative care visits you make on the state dime.

In other words, piss poor example. Completely irrelevant to the topic, as your abstract was, and as anything else you dredge up will be.

Because lack of insurance doesn't kill people. Insurance won't prevent appendicitis.

WOW, your retardation is acute. If anything this one falls almost completely ON a lack of health insurance. A preventative care visit may not detect appendicitis. BUT, a visit to a doctor or hospital WILL when it is acute, AND, the family of the deceased stated that "He didn't want the added burden of an ER visit to hang on their finances."

 

[oreo]

Even though the evil Republicans wouldn't help.

"I suspect that most people in Cincinnati would acknowledge that I've tried real hard, and we haven't gotten the Republicans to engage on a whole range of issues that, I wish had happened," Obama said in an interview with WLWT-TV in Cincinnati, Ohio.

"Part of what I think needs to happen in this election is the voters once again have to send a message, 'We want common sense ideas. We don't folks who are just saying no to everything. Even stuff, traditionally [they] were in favor of," Obama said.

Obama: Most People "Would Acknowledge That I've Tried Real Hard" | RealClearPolitics

Strangely enough, I don't think trying is enough for the president, but I could be wrong.

Yeah common sense is coming around the 1st thing common sense tells us is to get rid of the ECONOMIC MORON (Obama) as soon as possible.

 

[koshergrl]

Link?

Lol...seriously, you think medicaid pays ER bills across the board?

Nope. Particularly if you happen to be outside your coverage area. You go the ER, then an insurance agent decides whether or not your emergency should be covered.

And often, it isn't.

And people often mistake appendix symptoms for something that isn't urgent, and by the time they realize it's urgent, it's too late. That's the thing about appendicitis. And, genius...it can't be predicted or prevented no matter HOW many preventative care visits you make on the state dime.

In other words, piss poor example. Completely irrelevant to the topic, as your abstract was, and as anything else you dredge up will be.

Because lack of insurance doesn't kill people. Insurance won't prevent appendicitis.

WOW, your retardation is acute. If anything this one falls almost completely ON a lack of health insurance. A preventative care visit may not detect appendicitis. BUT, a visit to a doctor or hospital WILL when it is acute, AND, the family of the deceased stated that "He didn't want the added burden of an ER visit to hang on their finances."

No, it doesn't. This anecdotal, unsourced *evidence* absolutely doesn't prove that lack of insurance kills people.

It proves that appendecitis can be mistaken for something else, however.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Even though the evil Republicans wouldn't help.

"I suspect that most people in Cincinnati would acknowledge that I've tried real hard, and we haven't gotten the Republicans to engage on a whole range of issues that, I wish had happened," Obama said in an interview with WLWT-TV in Cincinnati, Ohio.

"Part of what I think needs to happen in this election is the voters once again have to send a message, 'We want common sense ideas. We don't folks who are just saying no to everything. Even stuff, traditionally [they] were in favor of," Obama said.

Obama: Most People "Would Acknowledge That I've Tried Real Hard" | RealClearPolitics

Strangely enough, I don't think trying is enough for the president, but I could be wrong.

Poor Bam Bam wants a trophy for trying.

 

[Bfgrn]

Link?

Lol...seriously, you think medicaid pays ER bills across the board?

Nope. Particularly if you happen to be outside your coverage area. You go the ER, then an insurance agent decides whether or not your emergency should be covered.

And often, it isn't.

And people often mistake appendix symptoms for something that isn't urgent, and by the time they realize it's urgent, it's too late. That's the thing about appendicitis. And, genius...it can't be predicted or prevented no matter HOW many preventative care visits you make on the state dime.

In other words, piss poor example. Completely irrelevant to the topic, as your abstract was, and as anything else you dredge up will be.

Because lack of insurance doesn't kill people. Insurance won't prevent appendicitis.

WOW, your retardation is acute. If anything this one falls almost completely ON a lack of health insurance. A preventative care visit may not detect appendicitis. BUT, a visit to a doctor or hospital WILL when it is acute, AND, the family of the deceased stated that "He didn't want the added burden of an ER visit to hang on their finances."

No, it doesn't. This anecdotal, unsourced *evidence* absolutely doesn't prove that lack of insurance kills people.

It proves that appendecitis can be mistaken for something else, however.

It is not unsourced. You are either a liar, unable to read, or unable to absorb. I suspect the latter.

Insurance Coverage and Receipt of Preventive Care

How many Americans lack health insurance? How does being uninsured affect access to preventive care?

In 2004, 64 million Americans—26 percent of the nonelderly population—were without health insurance for at least one month during the year, and 34 million of these individuals—14 percent of the nonelderly population—were uninsured all year long. Those without health insurance were less likely than those with coverage to receive preventive care services at appropriate ages.

Why is this important?

Individuals without health insurance or who experience gaps in coverage have generally worse self-reported access to care and quality of care compared with those who are continuously insured (Hadley 2003; Olson et al. 2005; Schoen and DesRoches 2000). In particular, they are:

less likely to have a regular care provider;
more likely to delay or forgo needed medical care, preventive services, and prescription drugs;
more likely to have poor health outcomes; and
less likely to rate the quality of their care as good or excellent.

Findings

Among nonelderly community-dwelling Americans surveyed during 1996 to 2004 (Rhoades 2006):

about one of four (24.8 to 27.0 percent, or 58.5 to 63.9 million people) were uninsured for at least one month during a given year;
about one of eight (12.2 to 13.9 percent, or 28.7 to 34.4 million people) were uninsured for an entire year; and
both rates and numbers of uninsured generally decreased from 1996 to 1999, then generally increased from 1999 to 2004.

A 2005 national survey found that nonelderly adults without health insurance at some time during the year were generally less likely to receive four preventive services (breast and cervical cancer screening and blood pressure and cholesterol measurement) at recommended ages and intervals than those who were continuously insured (absolute differences of 3 to 32 percentage points) (Collins et al. 2006).

Insurance coverage was associated with higher rates of preventive care use among both lower-income and higher-income individuals. For three of the four services, the absolute differences in rates of preventive care between insured and uninsured individuals were not reduced by higher income. Blood pressure was measured at a high rate among both insured and uninsured high-income individuals.

Implications

These data are consistent with other research finding that insurance coverage encourages greater use of preventive care, primarily by ensuring access to a regular care provider (IOM 2002). For example, formerly uninsured near-elderly individuals who gain Medicare coverage upon reaching age 65 increase their use of preventive care closer to the level of those who were continuously insured before Medicare enrollment (McWilliams et al. 2003).

The failure to ensure universal coverage for all Americans leads to many missed opportunities for prevention, early detection, and optimal treatment of disease, with an annual economic cost to the nation estimated at $65 billion to $130 billion in lost productivity and preventable mortality (IOM 2003).

 

[Mr.Nick]

What do you call what Republicans have done since Obama was elected President?

• What about Republican leaders and officials who got together during Obama's inauguration in the infamous, secret pact meeting to vow to destroy him at all costs—including the cost to the country?

• What about what Republicans did during the health care debate later revealed by George W. Bush's former speechwriter?

"At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994."

• What about the use of INSURGENCY by House Republicans?

Insurgency

Friday, February 6, 2009

Texas Republican Congressman Pete Sessions compares GOP strategy to Taliban insurgency

"Insurgency, we understand perhaps a little bit more because of the Taliban, and that is that they went about systematically understanding how to disrupt and change a person's entire processes. And these Taliban -- I'm not trying to say the Republican Party is the Taliban. No, that's not what we're saying. I'm saying an example of how you go about [sic] is to change a person from their messaging to their operations to their frontline message. And we need to understand that insurgency may be required when the other side, the House leadership, does not follow the same commands, which we entered the game with."

Congressman Pete Sessions Compares House Republicans To Taliban | Capitol Annex

poor Obama, the people were smart enough to vote in the Republicans to stop the idiot from his great "visions" of transforming Amercia...

so lets give the PEOPLE who voted for that a hand, and a big, waaaaaaaaaaaaaa for Obama and his cult followers

And we got Republican's vision of destroying the President of the United States, and to hell with the country. Conservatives had made it perfectly clear, they don't accept any governing unless it is under their dictum and decree.

In what fucking universe do you believe Republicans will allow Obama and his democrat minions to push anymore bullshit through???

Everything he and his progressive majority passed from 2008-2010 was an epic failure that did nothing but further setback the economy.....

You think Republicans are going to allow that jackass to continue his "destruction of the US" tour????