obama to sign the UN small arms treaty July 27 2012

[g5000]

Some on the extreme right are openly discussing treason:

Vanderboegh warns of civil war if UN small arms treaty enforced - National Conservative | Examiner.com

Frightening.

Bush was against because he thought NATIONAL controls the appropriate course, now the NRA is against it because they FEAR domestic control. Have conservatives actually read this treaty?
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a statement released by Hillary Clinton and the State Department that it was overturning the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed a proposed Arms Trade treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.

the National Rifle Association, who claim that the treaty is an attempt to circumvent the Second Amendment and similar guarantees in state constitutions in order to impose domestic gun regulations.[11]

I've read it, I'm against it

Please provide a link to the treaty.

 

[g5000]

Those arms makers and dealers which make gazillions of dollars a year chanelling small arms to Third World countries, contributing to the bloodshed, are going to fight this tooth and nail. And they will be pouring millions of gallons of bongwater, generating enough diversionary smoke to greenhouse the entire planet, and putting up enough deflective mirrors to power the state of Nevada with solar power.

OBAMAZ GONNA TAKE UR GUNZ!!!!

Here's a little background on the UN Small Arms Treaty.

Sorry it's not from the NYT, but they don't seem to want to cover it...

Small Arms Treaty of 2012 – Elimination of the Second Amendment | Independent Sentinel

From your link:

The proposed legally binding treaty would tighten regulation of, and set international standards for, the import, export and transfer of conventional weapons.

The treaty they are talking about basically bans all privately-held semi-automatic weapons. Make no mistake, any treaty with the U.N. will require us to abide by their gun requirements. The UN does not allow a 2nd amendment.

I am going to call BULLSHIT on the part I bolded until someone provides evidence to support that claim.

 

[g5000]

Has anyone noticed that none of the links everyone has provided contains a link to the actual treaty?

I, on the other hand, have provided direct links to several UN reports surrounding the treaty. None of which state a desire to ban privately held semi-automatic weapons or any other such nonsense.

 

[hortysir]

Those arms makers and dealers which make gazillions of dollars a year chanelling small arms to Third World countries, contributing to the bloodshed, are going to fight this tooth and nail. And they will be pouring millions of gallons of bongwater, generating enough diversionary smoke to greenhouse the entire planet, and putting up enough deflective mirrors to power the state of Nevada with solar power.

OBAMAZ GONNA TAKE UR GUNZ!!!!

Here's a little background on the UN Small Arms Treaty.

Sorry it's not from the NYT, but they don't seem to want to cover it...

Small Arms Treaty of 2012 – Elimination of the Second Amendment | Independent Sentinel

From your link:

The proposed legally binding treaty would tighten regulation of, and set international standards for, the import, export and transfer of conventional weapons.

The treaty they are talking about basically bans all privately-held semi-automatic weapons. Make no mistake, any treaty with the U.N. will require us to abide by their gun requirements. The UN does not allow a 2nd amendment.

I am going to call BULLSHIT on the part I bolded until someone provides evidence to support that claim.

World Has High Expectations for Arms Trade Conference, Delegates Have Obligation to Negotiate Treaty That Will Help in Advancing Peace, Security, Speakers Say

So we're talking about arms trading.
But it's only private arms trading.

No restrictions for governments, though, who do the biggest portion of arms deals worldwide.

How does on determine if someone has shipped or received weapons?
You would have to know how many were in their possession to begin with, wouldn't you?

 

[g5000]

Arms Trade Treaty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Arms Trade Treaty is the name of a potential multilateral treaty that would regulate the international trade in conventional weapons. The treaty will be negotiated at a global conference under the auspices of the United Nations from 2 - 27 July 2012 in New York.

Seeing there is no treaty yet, anyone who says they have read it is lying.

Given the predominant position of the United States as a global arms exporter[10], any such treaty would have limited relevance without its participation.

That's the crux of the biscuit right there. Arms manufacturers stand to lose a shitload of money if they have to abide by an export treaty. This has NOTHING to do with your personally owned guns.

 

[g5000]

Some on the extreme right are openly discussing treason:

Vanderboegh warns of civil war if UN small arms treaty enforced - National Conservative | Examiner.com

Frightening.

Bush was against because he thought NATIONAL controls the appropriate course, now the NRA is against it because they FEAR domestic control. Have conservatives actually read this treaty?]

I've read it, I'm against it, and if they think they're going to get a list of my weapons they need to think again.

No you haven't. It does not even exist yet. You are lying. And no one is coming after your guns or a list of your guns. You are totally speaking out of your ass.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Has anyone noticed that none of the links everyone has provided contains a link to the actual treaty?

I, on the other hand, have provided direct links to several UN reports surrounding the treaty. None of which state a desire to ban privately held semi-automatic weapons or any other such nonsense.

Maybe it's because the U.N. does not want to release the text of the treaty.

 

[g5000]

UN Resolution 64/48:

Acknowledging also the right of States to regulate internal transfers of arms
and national ownership, including through national constitutional protections on
private ownership, exclusively within their territory

64/48 is the prep resolution for the ATT.

It plainly acknowledges our constitutional right to bear arms.

So all the hyperbole about taking your guns is bullshit.

The arms makers are trying to put fear into your heart so you will pressure your Senators to ban the treaty. They stand to lose untold billions if they cannot flood the Third World with guns.

 

[g5000]

Has anyone noticed that none of the links everyone has provided contains a link to the actual treaty?

I, on the other hand, have provided direct links to several UN reports surrounding the treaty. None of which state a desire to ban privately held semi-automatic weapons or any other such nonsense.

Maybe it's because the U.N. does not want to release the text of the treaty.

Noooo...it's because it has not been negotiated yet! The negotiations started July 2 and do not conclude until July 27.

The oppo bongwater has been pre-mixed for your consumption. Just look how we have people who have read a treaty that doesn't even exist yet! These are tailor made rubes who already believe what they have been told to believe.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Has anyone noticed that none of the links everyone has provided contains a link to the actual treaty?

I, on the other hand, have provided direct links to several UN reports surrounding the treaty. None of which state a desire to ban privately held semi-automatic weapons or any other such nonsense.

Maybe it's because the U.N. does not want to release the text of the treaty.

Noooo...it's because it has not been negotiated yet! The negotiations started July 2 and do not conclude until July 27.

The oppo bongwater has been pre-mixed for your consumption. Just look how we have people who have read a treaty that doesn't even exist yet! These are tailor made rubes who already believe what they have been told to believe.

Is this one of those obamacare is not a tax moment relived for you?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

UN Resolution 64/48:

Acknowledging also the right of States to regulate internal transfers of arms
and national ownership, including through national constitutional protections on
private ownership, exclusively within their territory

64/48 is the prep resolution for the ATT.

It plainly acknowledges our constitutional right to bear arms.

So all the hyperbole about taking your guns is bullshit.

The arms makers are trying to put fear into your heart so you will pressure your Senators to ban the treaty. They stand to lose untold billions if they cannot flood the Third World with guns.

Official Document System
of the United Nations

Système de diffusion électronique
des documents de l'ONU

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[g5000]

UN Resolution 64/48:

Acknowledging also the right of States to regulate internal transfers of arms
and national ownership, including through national constitutional protections on
private ownership, exclusively within their territory

64/48 is the prep resolution for the ATT.

It plainly acknowledges our constitutional right to bear arms.

So all the hyperbole about taking your guns is bullshit.

The arms makers are trying to put fear into your heart so you will pressure your Senators to ban the treaty. They stand to lose untold billions if they cannot flood the Third World with guns.

Official Document System
of the United Nations

Système de diffusion électronique
des documents de l'ONU

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In case you use personal firewall, please adjust the privacy settings for this web site.

UN General Assembly - Resolutions

Scroll down and click on 64/48.

 

[g5000]

The treaty does not exist yet.

The lies are already being spread about what is in it before it even exists. This way, the gullible fucks who say "I've read it" will think they already know what is in it, so when it really does come out, they won't bother to read it. They think they already know.

Rubes. The puppeteers know you guys are blank slates and whoever writes on your blank little minds first wins.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Yea__ this is clearly a front to the Constitution.

 

[g5000]

Is this one of those obamacare is not a tax moment relived for you?

What the heck are you talking about?

 

[g5000]

Yea__ this is clearly a front to the Constitution.

Clearly?

How so?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

UN Resolution 64/48:



64/48 is the prep resolution for the ATT.

It plainly acknowledges our constitutional right to bear arms.

So all the hyperbole about taking your guns is bullshit.

The arms makers are trying to put fear into your heart so you will pressure your Senators to ban the treaty. They stand to lose untold billions if they cannot flood the Third World with guns.

Official Document System
of the United Nations

Système de diffusion électronique
des documents de l'ONU

NO AUTHORIZATION

In case you use personal firewall, please adjust the privacy settings for this web site.

UN General Assembly - Resolutions

Scroll down and click on 64/48.

Back in 6/07/2011 Forbes did a report on the U.N. small arms treaty

While the terms have yet to be made public, if passed by the U.N. and ratified by our Senate, it will almost certainly force the U.S. to:

Enact tougher licensing requirements, creating additional bureaucratic red tape for legal firearms ownership.
Confiscate and destroy all “unauthorized” civilian firearms (exempting those owned by our government of course).
Ban the trade, sale and private ownership of all semi-automatic weapons (any that have magazines even though they still operate in the same one trigger pull – one single “bang” manner as revolvers, a simple fact the ant-gun media never seem to grasp).
Create an international gun registry, clearly setting the stage for full-scale gun confiscation.
In short, overriding our national sovereignty, and in the process, providing license for the federal government to assert preemptive powers over state regulatory powers guaranteed by the Tenth Amendment in addition to our Second Amendment rights.

U.N. Agreement Should Have All Gun Owners Up In Arms - Forbes
The terms have been made they just haven't released the text.

 

[g5000]

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UN General Assembly - Resolutions

Scroll down and click on 64/48.

Back in 6/07/2011 Forbes did a report on the U.N. small arms treaty

While the terms have yet to be made public, if passed by the U.N. and ratified by our Senate, it will almost certainly force the U.S. to:

Enact tougher licensing requirements, creating additional bureaucratic red tape for legal firearms ownership.
Confiscate and destroy all “unauthorized” civilian firearms (exempting those owned by our government of course).
Ban the trade, sale and private ownership of all semi-automatic weapons (any that have magazines even though they still operate in the same one trigger pull – one single “bang” manner as revolvers, a simple fact the ant-gun media never seem to grasp).
Create an international gun registry, clearly setting the stage for full-scale gun confiscation.
In short, overriding our national sovereignty, and in the process, providing license for the federal government to assert preemptive powers over state regulatory powers guaranteed by the Tenth Amendment in addition to our Second Amendment rights.

U.N. Agreement Should Have All Gun Owners Up In Arms - Forbes
The terms have been made they just haven't released the text.

Bullshit. The terms are being negotiated right now.

I have included all the documentation surrounding the treaty. Please show where any of them match up with these claims.

I would also like to know how you know Obama is going to sign it two weeks from now. Crystal ball?

 

[g5000]

Back in 6/07/2011 Forbes did a report on the U.N. small arms treaty

While the terms have yet to be made public, if passed by the U.N. and ratified by our Senate, it will almost certainly force the U.S. to:

Enact tougher licensing requirements, creating additional bureaucratic red tape for legal firearms ownership.
Confiscate and destroy all “unauthorized” civilian firearms (exempting those owned by our government of course).
Ban the trade, sale and private ownership of all semi-automatic weapons (any that have magazines even though they still operate in the same one trigger pull – one single “bang” manner as revolvers, a simple fact the ant-gun media never seem to grasp).
Create an international gun registry, clearly setting the stage for full-scale gun confiscation.
In short, overriding our national sovereignty, and in the process, providing license for the federal government to assert preemptive powers over state regulatory powers guaranteed by the Tenth Amendment in addition to our Second Amendment rights.

U.N. Agreement Should Have All Gun Owners Up In Arms - Forbes

That's not a report. That's an opinion/rumor piece.

Just look at the title of your link. It screams opinionating, not reporting. It's rumormongering.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Yea__ this is clearly a front to the Constitution.

Clearly?

How so?

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.