Obama says they are calling me a Socialist

[theDoctorisIn]

You act like "names" are a root of ideology...

You could label socialism shit, utopia or Barbra and it would still be socialism...

Every few years progressives change the name of the brand, however it's the same product..

It really shows how fucking deceptive the left actually is...

You're all a bunch of dishonest assholes.. Your messiah is Karl Marx and your intent is self loathing and greed...

Then you have the fucking audacity to assert you're humble people - especially after this OWS bullshit??

You're nothing more than violent greedy laymen who loathe others...

That is no way to live a life........... It certainly wont bring you success...

The extent that you've deluded yourself as to what MY opinions are is incredibly amusing to me.

Grow the fuck up.

Ever believe your opinions are based on ignorant or at least soft evaluation of facts???

Some of them, probably. It's the human condition.

That doesn't change the fact that you clearly have no idea what my opinions are.

 

[manifold]

Does anybody know what uscumstainer is talking about?

 

[LoneLaugher]

The DS of A is not some small hidden group.

I found it with a web search: Democratic Socialists of America

They may not be hidden, but I'd say "small" describes them pretty well. And I still don't know what the "New Party" is. Here's one reference to something by that name:

New Party (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That outfit existed in the 1990s. And apparently it might have endorsed Obama in '96.

This is pretty damned obscure, frankly. It's hardly evidence that Obama is a socialist. Certainly not enough to counter the mountain of evidence to the contrary. And I say that as someone who would very much prefer it if he was.

I am not saying Obama is a socialist.
Never said it.
But Obama does believe in many ideas that are of the socialist ideology.

I rarely hear him give credit to business owners.....I actually never hear him say it.
But his administration was all over the airwaves talking about what a great job GM is doing.

That concerns me.

You have selective hearing.

 

[Mr.Nick]

The extent that you've deluded yourself as to what MY opinions are is incredibly amusing to me.

Grow the fuck up.

Ever believe your opinions are based on ignorant or at least soft evaluation of facts???

Some of them, probably. It's the human condition.

That doesn't change the fact that you clearly have no idea what my opinions are.

I suppose you just did flash a 8 of diamonds.......

I know what your position is dummy....

That is another flaw progressives have... They act like everyone else is dumb and they're the smart ones..

I know who you are, read about 50-100 of your posts so I do realize who you are and know exactly who you are as a "person" (I wanted to call you an individual however that term is reserved for those I feed are of my ilk)

You're just an animal IMO....

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Ever believe your opinions are based on ignorant or at least soft evaluation of facts???

Some of them, probably. It's the human condition.

That doesn't change the fact that you clearly have no idea what my opinions are.

I suppose you just did flash a 8 of diamonds.......

I know what your position is dummy....

That is another flaw progressives have... They act like everyone else is dumb and they're the smart ones..

I know who you are, read about 50-100 of your posts so I do realize who you are and know exactly who you are as a "person" (I wanted to call you an individual however that term is reserved for those I feed are of my ilk)

You're just an animal IMO....

Seriously, are you 5 years old?

Is it so hard to not make a fool out of yourself with every post?


If I were to judge you, and claim to "know who you are" based on the posts I've read of yours, I'd have to conclude that you were an angry elementary school student.

 

[Foxfyre]

Obama is a socialist only in the sense that he seeks to shift more and more power over the economy and means of production to the government. A true socialist, however, is then convicted to use government power for the benefit of the people however flawed such a system is. Based on no evidence to the contrary, I don't think Obama gives a flying fig about the 'people'.

I see Obama as much more Marxist than capitalist or socialist. I believe he intends to shift ALL the power to the government as Marxism requires and reorder society in some fuzzy image he holds for it. A society in which he can require all to adore and bow down to him. He has yet to say or do anything to convince me I am wrong about that, but I hope I am.

He is certainly a pawn for socialism....

I believe he has a job to do which was done and the masterminds behind this project are getting exactly what they wanted.

The goal is socialism and to punish the white man.....

Progressives have never gotten over slavery so they take their rage out on guys like me who have never oppressed an individual in their entire life...

In short they're the same as their democratic fathers.. They need to oppress others and use government to shove their shit down peoples throats to feel powerful..

They use sympathy as a source to attempt their power grab while accusing everyone else of being racists or unsympathetic...

There is an old saying - it was used in the movie Goodfellas - it went "your closest friends are your enemy."

I'm not going to say I'm an unfriendly person, however I will say that some can bleed you dry (literally) out of sympathy...

Socialism does not, however, equate with evil or oppression even when our indoctrinated and oppressed friends embrace it. Almost all of the European governments are socialist in some degree and most are pretty decent governments and are well intended. The problem with socialism, however, is that it tends to suppress success and reward substandard performance or failure and tries its best to control the economy and the GDP. The result is always a more lackluster and stagnant economy that is possible when the people are free to pursue their own goals unhindered by excessive government. And in a socialist government, the government assigns the rights the people will have as opposed to American exceptionalism in which the concept starts with unalienable rights of the people and a government structured to secure and defend those rights and the people then govern themselves.

So socialism isn't necessarily a bad word or a bad concept. It is often well intended. It simply fails sooner or later everywhere it is tried.

We should be very careful to not confuse socialism with capitalism or Marxism or totalitarianism or dictatorship or despot.

I don't think Fearless Leader cares about the people or good government, socialist or anything else. He seems totally focused on gaining power for himself and living, at least for now, within the illusion that the world is his oyster and he can make of it anything that he wants.

 

[The T]

Then prove the following: Democratic Socialists of America did not create the New Party
Prove to me that Obama was not a member of the New Party

If it Walks and talks like a socialist, it's a socialist. He is Pragmatic enough to know he cant get it all at once. Baby steps. Don't want to appear to actually want what he wants, less the people catch on. lol

Under the cloak of being 'Democratic'...the ideology is Socialist/Marxist.

Wolf in sheeps clothing.

 

[Disenchanted61]

Prove to me that he was

 

[Mr.Nick]

Some of them, probably. It's the human condition.

That doesn't change the fact that you clearly have no idea what my opinions are.

I suppose you just did flash a 8 of diamonds.......

I know what your position is dummy....

That is another flaw progressives have... They act like everyone else is dumb and they're the smart ones..

I know who you are, read about 50-100 of your posts so I do realize who you are and know exactly who you are as a "person" (I wanted to call you an individual however that term is reserved for those I feed are of my ilk)

You're just an animal IMO....

Seriously, are you 5 years old?

Is it so hard to not make a fool out of yourself with every post?


If I were to judge you, and claim to "know who you are" based on the posts I've read of yours, I'd have to conclude that you were an angry elementary school student.

Oh, I'm pissed today...

I'd tell you this much tho - I'd shoot you in a non-lethal spot just for your fucking avatar dummy.... I'd then throw you in a dungeon....

Of course only in a time of civil war...

At most I'd just slap you across the face as the little child you are for your disrespecting my party..

Naw, a 200 lb Boa around your neck is worthy for you it would be more poetic...

 

[DaGoose]

Ignorant faggot..

Lets not forget Obama Bailed out the labor unions with "stimulus" lets not forget the retard bailed out GM then turned around and issued vouchers to citizens who wanted to buy a UAW made car all on the taxpayers dime..

How fucking stupid do you think I am??

Like I cant see Obama bailing out GM then stimulating his UAW buddies (because they support democrats) with taxpayer funds??

No, you probably just rationalize it differently...

Connect the dots dickhead... This is the real world not one of your progressive fantasies..

WTF...

And "bailing out the automakers" is one of the few BUSH programs that actually worked and worked well.

What the FUCK are you talking about????????????????????

Obama Bails Out GM with Our Tax Dollars, Who Will Bailout America? | THE CONSERVATIVE POST

THIS is what I'm talking about, dumbfuck.

Bush Approves Auto Industry Bailout - The Consumerist

Bush started the ball rolling on this and it was the RIGHT thing to do. The last thing he or Obama needed was to add tens of thousands to the unemployment rolls during Bush's Great Recession.

Get your head out of your ass and start reading something besides "The Conservative Post".

 

[Cuyo]

And "bailing out the automakers" is one of the few BUSH programs that actually worked and worked well.

What the FUCK are you talking about????????????????????

Obama Bails Out GM with Our Tax Dollars, Who Will Bailout America? | THE CONSERVATIVE POST

THIS is what I'm talking about, dumbfuck.

Bush Approves Auto Industry Bailout - The Consumerist

Bush started the ball rolling on this and it was the RIGHT thing to do. The last thing he or Obama needed was to add tens of thousands to the unemployment rolls during Bush's Great Recession.

You don't understand... They weren't against it back then... Stupid socialist pinko-commie statist fucktard Shariah.

 

[DaGoose]

What the FUCK are you talking about????????????????????

Obama Bails Out GM with Our Tax Dollars, Who Will Bailout America? | THE CONSERVATIVE POST

THIS is what I'm talking about, dumbfuck.

Bush Approves Auto Industry Bailout - The Consumerist

Bush started the ball rolling on this and it was the RIGHT thing to do. The last thing he or Obama needed was to add tens of thousands to the unemployment rolls during Bush's Great Recession.

You don't understand... They weren't against it back then... Stupid socialist pinko-commie statist fucktard Shariah.

Good point. I'll almost bet money that one could never find a post condemning the bailout that was posted while Bush was POTUS.

Fucking hypocrites.

 

[Foxfyre]

Bush went along with it. He had a Democrat controlled Congress, remember? He didn't start the ball rolling.

He wasn't a pure socialist, but Bush was far more a socialist than is Obama. With his Senior prescription entitlement, No Child Left Behind, faith based initiatives, etc. etc. etc. he really did intend to use government initiatives to make people's lives better. He was wrong, as all socialists are, that the positives would outweigh the negatives on such socialist policies.

Again, I have seen no indication that Obama cares about the people any more than to keep the money coming in so he can reorder the government, and the nation, and possibly illusions of doing the same to the world, as he envisions it to be a monument to him. He is a Marxist. Marxism has element of socialism within it, but he is a Marxist. Not a socialist.

 

[The T]

Bush went along with it. He had a Democrat controlled Congress, remember? He didn't start the ball rolling.

He wasn't a pure socialist, but Bush was far more a socialist than is Obama. With his Senior prescription entitlement, No Child Left Behind, faith based initiatives, etc. etc. etc. he really did intend to use government initiatives to make people's lives better. He was wrong, as all socialists are, that the positives would outweigh the negatives on such socialist policies.

Again, I have seen no indication that Obama cares about the people any more than to keep the money coming in so he can reorder the government, and the nation, and possibly illusions of doing the same to the world, as he envisions it to be a monument to him. He is a Marxist. Marxism has element of socialism within it, but he is a Marxist. Not a socialist.

Bushs' 'Compassionate Conservatism' was indeed Socialism.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I suppose you just did flash a 8 of diamonds.......

I know what your position is dummy....

That is another flaw progressives have... They act like everyone else is dumb and they're the smart ones..

I know who you are, read about 50-100 of your posts so I do realize who you are and know exactly who you are as a "person" (I wanted to call you an individual however that term is reserved for those I feed are of my ilk)

You're just an animal IMO....

Seriously, are you 5 years old?

Is it so hard to not make a fool out of yourself with every post?


If I were to judge you, and claim to "know who you are" based on the posts I've read of yours, I'd have to conclude that you were an angry elementary school student.

Oh, I'm pissed today...

I'd tell you this much tho - I'd shoot you in a non-lethal spot just for your fucking avatar dummy.... I'd then throw you in a dungeon....

Of course only in a time of civil war...

At most I'd just slap you across the face as the little child you are for your disrespecting my party..

Naw, a 200 lb Boa around your neck is worthy for you it would be more poetic...

And now, out comes the Internet Tough Guy.

You're only adding more evidence of being a child.

Does my avatar really get you so butthurt that you'd physically hurt me, though? That's a little sick.

Grow up, get a sense of humor, and maybe people will start taking you seriously.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Obama is a socialist only in the sense that he seeks to shift more and more power over the economy and means of production to the government. A true socialist, however, is then convicted to use government power for the benefit of the people however flawed such a system is. Based on no evidence to the contrary, I don't think Obama gives a flying fig about the 'people'.

I see Obama as much more Marxist than capitalist or socialist. I believe he intends to shift ALL the power to the government as Marxism requires and reorder society in some fuzzy image he holds for it. A society in which he can require all to adore and bow down to him. He has yet to say or do anything to convince me I am wrong about that, but I hope I am.

He is certainly a pawn for socialism....

I believe he has a job to do which was done and the masterminds behind this project are getting exactly what they wanted.

The goal is socialism and to punish the white man.....

Progressives have never gotten over slavery so they take their rage out on guys like me who have never oppressed an individual in their entire life...

In short they're the same as their democratic fathers.. They need to oppress others and use government to shove their shit down peoples throats to feel powerful..

They use sympathy as a source to attempt their power grab while accusing everyone else of being racists or unsympathetic...

There is an old saying - it was used in the movie Goodfellas - it went "your closest friends are your enemy."

I'm not going to say I'm an unfriendly person, however I will say that some can bleed you dry (literally) out of sympathy...

Socialism does not, however, equate with evil or oppression even when our indoctrinated and oppressed friends embrace it. Almost all of the European governments are socialist in some degree and most are pretty decent governments and are well intended. The problem with socialism, however, is that it tends to suppress success and reward substandard performance or failure and tries its best to control the economy and the GDP. The result is always a more lackluster and stagnant economy that is possible when the people are free to pursue their own goals unhindered by excessive government. And in a socialist government, the government assigns the rights the people will have as opposed to American exceptionalism in which the concept starts with unalienable rights of the people and a government structured to secure and defend those rights and the people then govern themselves.

So socialism isn't necessarily a bad word or a bad concept. It is often well intended. It simply fails sooner or later everywhere it is tried.

We should be very careful to not confuse socialism with capitalism or Marxism or totalitarianism or dictatorship or despot.

I don't think Fearless Leader cares about the people or good government, socialist or anything else. He seems totally focused on gaining power for himself and living, at least for now, within the illusion that the world is his oyster and he can make of it anything that he wants.

Socialism is nothing more than than an economic model..........

It's its results, and attempts to make the economic idea successful that make the idea evil.

I understand all your points, however it's the socialist model that requires authoritarianism to be successful...

Some don't want to be told to play hockey or be a scientist or live where they tell you to live because liberty is human nature..

Sometimes people have the ability and the intelligence to be a rocket scientist but maybe they don't want to be.....Maybe they just feel comfortable working at a grocery store?

In order for socialism to survive there must be a controlled or dictated socio-economy...

This means you have no choice...

If you're good at a particular subject you will HAVE TO study that subject regardless of your own will..

At least under capitalism an individual has the opportunity to act on the free will...

The more I read about communism (socialism) the more I become grateful I have a choice.... It is apparently clear that many are willing to give up that choice for securities ...

We will never have that in the US because Me and many like me will never allow such evil to ever occur on our own soil...........


This is the land of the Bill of Rights and I have every intention to keep it that way...

 

[Mr.Nick]

Seriously, are you 5 years old?

Is it so hard to not make a fool out of yourself with every post?


If I were to judge you, and claim to "know who you are" based on the posts I've read of yours, I'd have to conclude that you were an angry elementary school student.

Oh, I'm pissed today...

I'd tell you this much tho - I'd shoot you in a non-lethal spot just for your fucking avatar dummy.... I'd then throw you in a dungeon....

Of course only in a time of civil war...

At most I'd just slap you across the face as the little child you are for your disrespecting my party..

Naw, a 200 lb Boa around your neck is worthy for you it would be more poetic...

And now, out comes the Internet Tough Guy.

You're only adding more evidence of being a child.

Does my avatar really get you so butthurt that you'd physically hurt me, though? That's a little sick.

Grow up, get a sense of humor, and maybe people will start taking you seriously.

Part of me feels sorry for you and the other part wants to knock you over the head..

I respect you but I do not respect your avatar because it's knowing disrespect ...

You may as well say ******, Jew, **** cocksucking motherfucker...

That is about as blunt as that avatar is...

You may as well fly a fucking crucifix upside down (which is illogical anyways given the notion that is also a holy religious symbol in Catholicism)...

However your ignorance is well.......Ignorance...

 

[Dragon]

And what you socialists don't realize is that the United States has a population of 300,000,000

Can you show me where socialism has EVER worked on such a population??

Current estimated population of the European Union is estimated to be over 500 million. So, yes, I can.

 

[Foxfyre]

He is certainly a pawn for socialism....

I believe he has a job to do which was done and the masterminds behind this project are getting exactly what they wanted.

The goal is socialism and to punish the white man.....

Progressives have never gotten over slavery so they take their rage out on guys like me who have never oppressed an individual in their entire life...

In short they're the same as their democratic fathers.. They need to oppress others and use government to shove their shit down peoples throats to feel powerful..

They use sympathy as a source to attempt their power grab while accusing everyone else of being racists or unsympathetic...

There is an old saying - it was used in the movie Goodfellas - it went "your closest friends are your enemy."

I'm not going to say I'm an unfriendly person, however I will say that some can bleed you dry (literally) out of sympathy...

Socialism does not, however, equate with evil or oppression even when our indoctrinated and oppressed friends embrace it. Almost all of the European governments are socialist in some degree and most are pretty decent governments and are well intended. The problem with socialism, however, is that it tends to suppress success and reward substandard performance or failure and tries its best to control the economy and the GDP. The result is always a more lackluster and stagnant economy that is possible when the people are free to pursue their own goals unhindered by excessive government. And in a socialist government, the government assigns the rights the people will have as opposed to American exceptionalism in which the concept starts with unalienable rights of the people and a government structured to secure and defend those rights and the people then govern themselves.

So socialism isn't necessarily a bad word or a bad concept. It is often well intended. It simply fails sooner or later everywhere it is tried.

We should be very careful to not confuse socialism with capitalism or Marxism or totalitarianism or dictatorship or despot.

I don't think Fearless Leader cares about the people or good government, socialist or anything else. He seems totally focused on gaining power for himself and living, at least for now, within the illusion that the world is his oyster and he can make of it anything that he wants.

Socialism is nothing more than than an economic model..........

It's its results, and attempts to make the economic idea successful that make the idea evil.

I understand all your points, however it's the socialist model that requires authoritarianism to be successful...

Some don't want to be told to play hockey or be a scientist or live where they tell you to live because liberty is human nature..

Sometimes people have the ability and the intelligence to be a rocket scientist but maybe they don't want to be.....Maybe they just feel comfortable working at a grocery store?

In order for socialism to survive there must be a controlled or dictated socio-economy...

This means you have no choice...

If you're good at a particular subject you will HAVE TO study that subject regardless of your own will..

At least under capitalism an individual has the opportunity to act on the free will...

The more I read about communism (socialism) the more I become grateful I have a choice.... It is apparently clear that many are willing to give up that choice for securities ...

We will never have that in the US because Me and many like me will never allow such evil to ever occur on our own soil...........


This is the land of the Bill of Rights and I have every intention to keep it that way...

See, this is where you need to read more. Your motive is good here but your perception a little out of whack. Socialism is NOT Communism (i.e. Marxism.) And the astute poli-sci scholar really does need to know the difference between the two. Socialism is indeed more authoritarian than is American exceptionalism, but it is not Marxist in that authority nor does it dictate what people are allowed to study and what they aren't or what profession they must seek or not seek.

 

[The T]

Socialism does not, however, equate with evil or oppression even when our indoctrinated and oppressed friends embrace it. Almost all of the European governments are socialist in some degree and most are pretty decent governments and are well intended. The problem with socialism, however, is that it tends to suppress success and reward substandard performance or failure and tries its best to control the economy and the GDP. The result is always a more lackluster and stagnant economy that is possible when the people are free to pursue their own goals unhindered by excessive government. And in a socialist government, the government assigns the rights the people will have as opposed to American exceptionalism in which the concept starts with unalienable rights of the people and a government structured to secure and defend those rights and the people then govern themselves.

So socialism isn't necessarily a bad word or a bad concept. It is often well intended. It simply fails sooner or later everywhere it is tried.

We should be very careful to not confuse socialism with capitalism or Marxism or totalitarianism or dictatorship or despot.

I don't think Fearless Leader cares about the people or good government, socialist or anything else. He seems totally focused on gaining power for himself and living, at least for now, within the illusion that the world is his oyster and he can make of it anything that he wants.

Socialism is nothing more than than an economic model..........

It's its results, and attempts to make the economic idea successful that make the idea evil.

I understand all your points, however it's the socialist model that requires authoritarianism to be successful...

Some don't want to be told to play hockey or be a scientist or live where they tell you to live because liberty is human nature..

Sometimes people have the ability and the intelligence to be a rocket scientist but maybe they don't want to be.....Maybe they just feel comfortable working at a grocery store?

In order for socialism to survive there must be a controlled or dictated socio-economy...

This means you have no choice...

If you're good at a particular subject you will HAVE TO study that subject regardless of your own will..

At least under capitalism an individual has the opportunity to act on the free will...

The more I read about communism (socialism) the more I become grateful I have a choice.... It is apparently clear that many are willing to give up that choice for securities ...

We will never have that in the US because Me and many like me will never allow such evil to ever occur on our own soil...........


This is the land of the Bill of Rights and I have every intention to keep it that way...

See, this is where you need to read more. Your motive is good here but your perception a little out of whack. Socialism is NOT Communism (i.e. Marxism.) And the astute poli-sci scholar really does need to know the difference between the two. Socialism is indeed more authoritarian than is American exceptionalism, but it is not Marxist in that authority nor does it dictate what people are allowed to study and what they aren't or what profession they must seek or not seek.

Socialism is just Legalized theft.