Obama says they are calling me a Socialist

[Mr.Nick]

I am not saying Obama is a socialist.
Never said it.
But Obama does believe in many ideas that are of the socialist ideology.

See, again, speaking as a socialist myself, I do know what you're talking about. But the problem (from my perspective) is that it seems to be nothing more than talk. President Obama appointed Wall Street crony capitalist Tim Geithner as Sec. of Treasury, kept Bernanke at the Fed, went ahead with the Bush bank bailout without holding the banks accountable, killed the public option in health care reform, and apart from taking out the middleman in student loans, has done almost nothing to narrow income gaps or promote full employment or encourage organized labor or in any way tread on the toes of big business. Actions speak louder than words. Big business can see what I'm seeing, too, because they continue to flood Obama's campaign chest with big donations.

He talks a lot more socialist than he walks.

Socialism doesn't work - its been proven time and time again that it doesn't work...

5-year-plan my ass..

Your focus is on "sharing" not creating.........

It's to sustain not to flourish..

 

[DaGoose]

Redistribution of wealth to those who "do nothing" is a fact of life. It's called "aid to the poor." Very little in the way of changes to these government functions is proposed.

No, what we want is redistribution of wealth to those who work, as opposed to those who own. Different kettle of fish altogether.

you are wrong.

Redistribution of wealth to those that do nothing is NOT "aid to the poor"

The poor are not comprised of only those that do nothing.

Many of "the poor" bust their asses...but get nowhere.

You may have not meant it as it came across...but if you did, I very much resent what you said.

Those that do nothing disguise themselves as those that bust their asses but still are poor...and that is why they get their entitlenmts...

But it is not designed to assist those that dont try...that is just a bi product of the welfare and unemployment systems....

Ignorant faggot..

Lets not forget Obama Bailed out the labor unions with "stimulus" lets not forget the retard bailed out GM then turned around and issued vouchers to citizens who wanted to buy a UAW made car all on the taxpayers dime..

How fucking stupid do you think I am??

Like I cant see Obama bailing out GM then stimulating his UAW buddies (because they support democrats) with taxpayer funds??

No, you probably just rationalize it differently...

Connect the dots dickhead... This is the real world not one of your progressive fantasies..

WTF...

And "bailing out the automakers" is one of the few BUSH programs that actually worked and worked well.

 

[PrometheusBound]

redistribution of wealth to those that do nothing is an unfortunate bi product of the actual intent...which is to assist those that do all they can, but still struggle...

Redistribution of wealth to those who "do nothing" is a fact of life. It's called "aid to the poor." Very little in the way of changes to these government functions is proposed.

No, what we want is redistribution of wealth to those who work, as opposed to those who own. Different kettle of fish altogether.

Capitalism is socialism for the rich, just as Communism is socialism for the Communist Party elite. Profit is a tax. Owners aren't earners.
Capitalism imposes a command economy over employment. Fundamentally, it has absolute control over the distribution of the revenue created by the employees, which, as in any Communist-like dictatorship, it appropriates the lion's share for the capitalists themselves. If they own a man's work, they own the man.

 

[Jarhead]

Redistribution of wealth to those who "do nothing" is a fact of life. It's called "aid to the poor." Very little in the way of changes to these government functions is proposed.

No, what we want is redistribution of wealth to those who work, as opposed to those who own. Different kettle of fish altogether.

you are wrong.

Redistribution of wealth to those that do nothing is NOT "aid to the poor"

The poor are not comprised of only those that do nothing.

Many of "the poor" bust their asses...but get nowhere.

You may have not meant it as it came across...but if you did, I very much resent what you said.

Those that do nothing disguise themselves as those that bust their asses but still are poor...and that is why they get their entitlenmts...

But it is not designed to assist those that dont try...that is just a bi product of the welfare and unemployment systems....

Ignorant faggot..

Lets not forget Obama Bailed out the labor unions with "stimulus" lets not forget the retard bailed out GM then turned around and issued vouchers to citizens who wanted to buy a UAW made car all on the taxpayers dime..

How fucking stupid do you think I am??

Like I cant see Obama bailing out GM then stimulating his UAW buddies (because they support democrats) with taxpayer funds??

No, you probably just rationalize it differently...

Connect the dots dickhead... This is the real world not one of your progressive fantasies..

WTF...

lol....my progressive fantasies.....sure.

So now I am a progressive.

Got it.

 

[PrometheusBound]

I am not saying Obama is a socialist.
Never said it.
But Obama does believe in many ideas that are of the socialist ideology.

See, again, speaking as a socialist myself, I do know what you're talking about. But the problem (from my perspective) is that it seems to be nothing more than talk. President Obama appointed Wall Street crony capitalist Tim Geithner as Sec. of Treasury, kept Bernanke at the Fed, went ahead with the Bush bank bailout without holding the banks accountable, killed the public option in health care reform, and apart from taking out the middleman in student loans, has done almost nothing to narrow income gaps or promote full employment or encourage organized labor or in any way tread on the toes of big business. Actions speak louder than words. Big business can see what I'm seeing, too, because they continue to flood Obama's campaign chest with big donations.

He talks a lot more socialist than he walks.

He's a busboy for the bankers and a lawn jockey for the ruling class.

 

[Jarhead]

you are wrong.

Redistribution of wealth to those that do nothing is NOT "aid to the poor"

The poor are not comprised of only those that do nothing.

Many of "the poor" bust their asses...but get nowhere.

You may have not meant it as it came across...but if you did, I very much resent what you said.

Those that do nothing disguise themselves as those that bust their asses but still are poor...and that is why they get their entitlenmts...

But it is not designed to assist those that dont try...that is just a bi product of the welfare and unemployment systems....

Ignorant faggot..

Lets not forget Obama Bailed out the labor unions with "stimulus" lets not forget the retard bailed out GM then turned around and issued vouchers to citizens who wanted to buy a UAW made car all on the taxpayers dime..

How fucking stupid do you think I am??

Like I cant see Obama bailing out GM then stimulating his UAW buddies (because they support democrats) with taxpayer funds??

No, you probably just rationalize it differently...

Connect the dots dickhead... This is the real world not one of your progressive fantasies..

WTF...

And "bailing out the automakers" is one of the few BUSH programs that actually worked and worked well.

it did?

How fair was that bailout to Ford?

They do everything right...and get nothing.

GM gets bailed out for doing it wrong...

So now GM has capital that was never theirs and ford is forced to compete with them with their own capital.

So failure is rewqarded while success is forced to fend for itself.

Sure...real successful...great lesson learned there!

 

[Mr.Nick]

Congress across the board is dead without socialism. It's been that way forever.

What you call corp subsidies? Socialism

What do you call "pork barrel" projects? Socialism

What do you call Tax Increment Financing? Socialism

What do you call tax abatements? Socialism

What do you call the military industrial complex? Socialism

What do you call Congressional salaries? Socialism

What do you call the medical insurance industry? Guaranteed profit by way of socialism

Etc etc etc

Removing all socialism from for profit business = can we say "Free Market"? Now there's a concept.

Well in the socialist economy in the US we call capitalism the socialists call it a "mixed economy" and those with a brain call it "Keynesian economics.."

Those who benefit from the "socialist" aspect of our economy don't know what the fuck to call it because they were too fucking stupid to graduate to the 4th grade....

Of course in a socialists mind if you're too fucking stupid to make it to the 4th grade you should be taken care of indefinitely by our government, and your 15 kids too.

Kinda like the 15-year-old 8th grader (WTF) that was just shot and killed for being intelligent enough to point a BB gun at cops (whom I hate BTW) ...

Of course a progressive believes a 15-year-old 8th grader is "cute" and are totally sympathetic to his "supposed to be a sophomore" brain..

 

[Mr.Nick]

you are wrong.

Redistribution of wealth to those that do nothing is NOT "aid to the poor"

The poor are not comprised of only those that do nothing.

Many of "the poor" bust their asses...but get nowhere.

You may have not meant it as it came across...but if you did, I very much resent what you said.

Those that do nothing disguise themselves as those that bust their asses but still are poor...and that is why they get their entitlenmts...

But it is not designed to assist those that dont try...that is just a bi product of the welfare and unemployment systems....

Ignorant faggot..

Lets not forget Obama Bailed out the labor unions with "stimulus" lets not forget the retard bailed out GM then turned around and issued vouchers to citizens who wanted to buy a UAW made car all on the taxpayers dime..

How fucking stupid do you think I am??

Like I cant see Obama bailing out GM then stimulating his UAW buddies (because they support democrats) with taxpayer funds??

No, you probably just rationalize it differently...

Connect the dots dickhead... This is the real world not one of your progressive fantasies..

WTF...

And "bailing out the automakers" is one of the few BUSH programs that actually worked and worked well.

What the FUCK are you talking about????????????????????

Obama Bails Out GM with Our Tax Dollars, Who Will Bailout America? | THE CONSERVATIVE POST

 

[Dragon]

Socialism doesn't work - its been proven time and time again that it doesn't work...

If you're talking about top-down, bureaucratic state socialism like what they had in the USSR, then you're right.

If the meaning of the term is expanded to include social democracy, then you're wrong.

If other types (so far untried) of public-ownership socialism are included so that we don't have to slavishly toe the Marxist-Leninist line, then you're wrong that it's been proven not to work, and may be wrong in saying that it won't (although since it hasn't been tried, we can't be sure).

In any case, social democracy works splendidly, and at the very least we ought to go back to it.

Jarhead:

I take your point. In this miserable economy, you are right that people can work their asses off and still be below the poverty line. What I meant to say was that the main redistribution of wealth needs to go to those that work, because that's where the damage has been done over the last 30 years.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The New Party hasn't existed since 1998.

And the "Democratic Socialists of America" had nothing to do with it.

 

[Jarhead]

Socialism doesn't work - its been proven time and time again that it doesn't work...

If you're talking about top-down, bureaucratic state socialism like what they had in the USSR, then you're right.

If the meaning of the term is expanded to include social democracy, then you're wrong.

If other types (so far untried) of public-ownership socialism are included so that we don't have to slavishly toe the Marxist-Leninist line, then you're wrong that it's been proven not to work, and may be wrong in saying that it won't (although since it hasn't been tried, we can't be sure).

In any case, social democracy works splendidly, and at the very least we ought to go back to it.

Jarhead:

I take your point. In this miserable economy, you are right that people can work their asses off and still be below the poverty line. What I meant to say was that the main redistribution of wealth needs to go to those that work, because that's where the damage has been done over the last 30 years.

I disagree with that.
I agree with a "hand" when necessary.
But not as a way of life.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Socialism doesn't work - its been proven time and time again that it doesn't work...

If you're talking about top-down, bureaucratic state socialism like what they had in the USSR, then you're right.

If the meaning of the term is expanded to include social democracy, then you're wrong.

If other types (so far untried) of public-ownership socialism are included so that we don't have to slavishly toe the Marxist-Leninist line, then you're wrong that it's been proven not to work, and may be wrong in saying that it won't (although since it hasn't been tried, we can't be sure).

In any case, social democracy works splendidly, and at the very least we ought to go back to it.

Jarhead:

I take your point. In this miserable economy, you are right that people can work their asses off and still be below the poverty line. What I meant to say was that the main redistribution of wealth needs to go to those that work, because that's where the damage has been done over the last 30 years.

And what you socialists don't realize is that the United States has a population of 300,000,000

Can you show me where socialism has EVER worked on such a population??

Socialism with those population numbers always ends up turning authoritarian because - believe it or not - some people with intelligence are not satisfied with the status quo, and want something bigger and better in life - especially to be rewarded appropriately for their knowledge...

I suppose my point is that a doctor is not in the same category as a ditch digger, however commie bastards like you believe they are...

 

[Mr.Nick]

you are wrong.

Redistribution of wealth to those that do nothing is NOT "aid to the poor"

The poor are not comprised of only those that do nothing.

Many of "the poor" bust their asses...but get nowhere.

You may have not meant it as it came across...but if you did, I very much resent what you said.

Those that do nothing disguise themselves as those that bust their asses but still are poor...and that is why they get their entitlenmts...

But it is not designed to assist those that dont try...that is just a bi product of the welfare and unemployment systems....

Ignorant faggot..

Lets not forget Obama Bailed out the labor unions with "stimulus" lets not forget the retard bailed out GM then turned around and issued vouchers to citizens who wanted to buy a UAW made car all on the taxpayers dime..

How fucking stupid do you think I am??

Like I cant see Obama bailing out GM then stimulating his UAW buddies (because they support democrats) with taxpayer funds??

No, you probably just rationalize it differently...

Connect the dots dickhead... This is the real world not one of your progressive fantasies..

WTF...

lol....my progressive fantasies.....sure.

So now I am a progressive.

Got it.

Sorry I'm just having a cranky day...

I don't mean to be offensive or disrespectful...

 

[Mr.Nick]

redistribution of wealth to those that do nothing is an unfortunate bi product of the actual intent...which is to assist those that do all they can, but still struggle...

Redistribution of wealth to those who "do nothing" is a fact of life. It's called "aid to the poor." Very little in the way of changes to these government functions is proposed.

No, what we want is redistribution of wealth to those who work, as opposed to those who own. Different kettle of fish altogether.

Capitalism is socialism for the rich, just as Communism is socialism for the Communist Party elite. Profit is a tax. Owners aren't earners.
Capitalism imposes a command economy over employment. Fundamentally, it has absolute control over the distribution of the revenue created by the employees, which, as in any Communist-like dictatorship, it appropriates the lion's share for the capitalists themselves. If they own a man's work, they own the man.

More like socialism is capitalism for the lazy...

 

[Foxfyre]

Obama is a socialist only in the sense that he seeks to shift more and more power over the economy and means of production to the government. A true socialist, however, is then convicted to use government power for the benefit of the people however flawed such a system is. Based on no evidence to the contrary, I don't think Obama gives a flying fig about the 'people'.

I see Obama as much more Marxist than capitalist or socialist. I believe he intends to shift ALL the power to the government as Marxism requires and reorder society in some fuzzy image he holds for it. A society in which he can require all to adore and bow down to him. He has yet to say or do anything to convince me I am wrong about that, but I hope I am.

 

[konradv]

Obama is a socialist only in the sense that he seeks to shift more and more power over the economy and means of production to the government. A true socialist, however, is then convicted to use government power for the benefit of the people however flawed such a system is. Based on no evidence to the contrary, I don't think Obama gives a flying fig about the 'people'.

I see Obama as much more Marxist than capitalist or socialist. I believe he intends to shift ALL the power to the government as Marxism requires and reorder society in some fuzzy image he holds for it. A society in which he can require all to adore and bow down to him. He has yet to say or do anything to convince me I am wrong about that, but I hope I am.

You're a total loon!

 

[Mr.Nick]

The New Party hasn't existed since 1998.

And the "Democratic Socialists of America" had nothing to do with it.

You act like "names" are a root of ideology...

You could label socialism shit, utopia or Barbra and it would still be socialism...

Every few years progressives change the name of the brand, however it's the same product..

It really shows how fucking deceptive the left actually is...

You're all a bunch of dishonest assholes.. Your messiah is Karl Marx and your intent is self loathing and greed...

Then you have the fucking audacity to assert you're humble people - especially after this OWS bullshit??

You're nothing more than violent greedy laymen who loathe others...

That is no way to live a life........... It certainly wont bring you success...

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The New Party hasn't existed since 1998.

And the "Democratic Socialists of America" had nothing to do with it.

You act like "names" are a root of ideology...

You could label socialism shit, utopia or Barbra and it would still be socialism...

Every few years progressives change the name of the brand, however it's the same product..

It really shows how fucking deceptive the left actually is...

You're all a bunch of dishonest assholes.. Your messiah is Karl Marx and your intent is self loathing and greed...

Then you have the fucking audacity to assert you're humble people - especially after this OWS bullshit??

You're nothing more than violent greedy laymen who loathe others...

That is no way to live a life........... It certainly wont bring you success...

The extent that you've deluded yourself as to what MY opinions are is incredibly amusing to me.

Grow the fuck up.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Obama is a socialist only in the sense that he seeks to shift more and more power over the economy and means of production to the government. A true socialist, however, is then convicted to use government power for the benefit of the people however flawed such a system is. Based on no evidence to the contrary, I don't think Obama gives a flying fig about the 'people'.

I see Obama as much more Marxist than capitalist or socialist. I believe he intends to shift ALL the power to the government as Marxism requires and reorder society in some fuzzy image he holds for it. A society in which he can require all to adore and bow down to him. He has yet to say or do anything to convince me I am wrong about that, but I hope I am.

He is certainly a pawn for socialism....

I believe he has a job to do which was done and the masterminds behind this project are getting exactly what they wanted.

The goal is socialism and to punish the white man.....

Progressives have never gotten over slavery so they take their rage out on guys like me who have never oppressed an individual in their entire life...

In short they're the same as their democratic fathers.. They need to oppress others and use government to shove their shit down peoples throats to feel powerful..

They use sympathy as a source to attempt their power grab while accusing everyone else of being racists or unsympathetic...

There is an old saying - it was used in the movie Goodfellas - it went "your closest friends are your enemy."

I'm not going to say I'm an unfriendly person, however I will say that some can bleed you dry (literally) out of sympathy...

 

[Mr.Nick]

The New Party hasn't existed since 1998.

And the "Democratic Socialists of America" had nothing to do with it.

You act like "names" are a root of ideology...

You could label socialism shit, utopia or Barbra and it would still be socialism...

Every few years progressives change the name of the brand, however it's the same product..

It really shows how fucking deceptive the left actually is...

You're all a bunch of dishonest assholes.. Your messiah is Karl Marx and your intent is self loathing and greed...

Then you have the fucking audacity to assert you're humble people - especially after this OWS bullshit??

You're nothing more than violent greedy laymen who loathe others...

That is no way to live a life........... It certainly wont bring you success...

The extent that you've deluded yourself as to what MY opinions are is incredibly amusing to me.

Grow the fuck up.

Ever believe your opinions are based on ignorant or at least soft evaluation of facts???