Obama says they are calling me a Socialist

[Mr.Nick]

And what you socialists don't realize is that the United States has a population of 300,000,000

Can you show me where socialism has EVER worked on such a population??

Current estimated population of the European Union is estimated to be over 500 million. So, yes, I can.

Are you fucking serious??

The Euro has lasted how long and now nations are collapsing...

They're fucking rioting...

The socialist monetary system (model) didn't last a fucking decade...

 

[The T]

And what you socialists don't realize is that the United States has a population of 300,000,000

Can you show me where socialism has EVER worked on such a population??

Current estimated population of the European Union is estimated to be over 500 million. So, yes, I can.

Are you fucking serious??

The Euro has lasted how long and now nations are collapsing...

They're fucking rioting...

The socialist monetary system (model) didn't last a fucking decade...

The EURO was a bad idea...and the fact it is failing says something of a State/Country keeping it's own soverignty INTACT.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Socialism does not, however, equate with evil or oppression even when our indoctrinated and oppressed friends embrace it. Almost all of the European governments are socialist in some degree and most are pretty decent governments and are well intended. The problem with socialism, however, is that it tends to suppress success and reward substandard performance or failure and tries its best to control the economy and the GDP. The result is always a more lackluster and stagnant economy that is possible when the people are free to pursue their own goals unhindered by excessive government. And in a socialist government, the government assigns the rights the people will have as opposed to American exceptionalism in which the concept starts with unalienable rights of the people and a government structured to secure and defend those rights and the people then govern themselves.

So socialism isn't necessarily a bad word or a bad concept. It is often well intended. It simply fails sooner or later everywhere it is tried.

We should be very careful to not confuse socialism with capitalism or Marxism or totalitarianism or dictatorship or despot.

I don't think Fearless Leader cares about the people or good government, socialist or anything else. He seems totally focused on gaining power for himself and living, at least for now, within the illusion that the world is his oyster and he can make of it anything that he wants.

Socialism is nothing more than than an economic model..........

It's its results, and attempts to make the economic idea successful that make the idea evil.

I understand all your points, however it's the socialist model that requires authoritarianism to be successful...

Some don't want to be told to play hockey or be a scientist or live where they tell you to live because liberty is human nature..

Sometimes people have the ability and the intelligence to be a rocket scientist but maybe they don't want to be.....Maybe they just feel comfortable working at a grocery store?

In order for socialism to survive there must be a controlled or dictated socio-economy...

This means you have no choice...

If you're good at a particular subject you will HAVE TO study that subject regardless of your own will..

At least under capitalism an individual has the opportunity to act on the free will...

The more I read about communism (socialism) the more I become grateful I have a choice.... It is apparently clear that many are willing to give up that choice for securities ...

We will never have that in the US because Me and many like me will never allow such evil to ever occur on our own soil...........


This is the land of the Bill of Rights and I have every intention to keep it that way...

See, this is where you need to read more. Your motive is good here but your perception a little out of whack. Socialism is NOT Communism (i.e. Marxism.) And the astute poli-sci scholar really does need to know the difference between the two. Socialism is indeed more authoritarian than is American exceptionalism, but it is not Marxist in that authority nor does it dictate what people are allowed to study and what they aren't or what profession they must seek or not seek.

I've read everything there is to read on the subject...

NO MORE READING!!!!

I was sick of reading books sympathetic to communism when I was a student and I am now...

I love how these authors are the same fucks that will cite Iraq as a "war crime" but will sit there and defend Stalin or Mao as something "logical."

Fuck that shit...

Progressives have their priorities all fucked up...

North Korea is a fucking ant hill because peanut boy was so liberal with a fucking lunatic...

 

[Mr.Nick]

Current estimated population of the European Union is estimated to be over 500 million. So, yes, I can.

Are you fucking serious??

The Euro has lasted how long and now nations are collapsing...

They're fucking rioting...

The socialist monetary system (model) didn't last a fucking decade...

The EURO was a bad idea...and the fact it is failing says something of a State/Country keeping it's own soverignty INTACT.

The Euro was a socialist idea and a dumb concept that all capitalists and economists opposed...

Once again socialism FAILS........

I have absolutely no idea what the fuck the EU was thinking..........

Oh yeah socialism....

Of course the socialist progressives will finally shut their fucking pie holes or put their fingers somewhere ... Thankfully.

 

[The T]

Socialism is nothing more than than an economic model..........

It's its results, and attempts to make the economic idea successful that make the idea evil.

I understand all your points, however it's the socialist model that requires authoritarianism to be successful...

Some don't want to be told to play hockey or be a scientist or live where they tell you to live because liberty is human nature..

Sometimes people have the ability and the intelligence to be a rocket scientist but maybe they don't want to be.....Maybe they just feel comfortable working at a grocery store?

In order for socialism to survive there must be a controlled or dictated socio-economy...

This means you have no choice...

If you're good at a particular subject you will HAVE TO study that subject regardless of your own will..

At least under capitalism an individual has the opportunity to act on the free will...

The more I read about communism (socialism) the more I become grateful I have a choice.... It is apparently clear that many are willing to give up that choice for securities ...

We will never have that in the US because Me and many like me will never allow such evil to ever occur on our own soil...........


This is the land of the Bill of Rights and I have every intention to keep it that way...

See, this is where you need to read more. Your motive is good here but your perception a little out of whack. Socialism is NOT Communism (i.e. Marxism.) And the astute poli-sci scholar really does need to know the difference between the two. Socialism is indeed more authoritarian than is American exceptionalism, but it is not Marxist in that authority nor does it dictate what people are allowed to study and what they aren't or what profession they must seek or not seek.

I've read everything there is to read on the subject...

NO MORE READING!!!!

I was sick of reading books sympathetic to communism when I was a student and I am now...

I love how these authors are the same fucks that will cite Iraq as a "war crime" but will sit there and defend Stalin or Mao as something "logical."

Fuck that shit...

Progressives have their priorities all fucked up...

North Korea is a fucking ant hill because peanut boy was so liberal with a fucking lunatic...

Indeed...

 

[Mr.Nick]

See, this is where you need to read more. Your motive is good here but your perception a little out of whack. Socialism is NOT Communism (i.e. Marxism.) And the astute poli-sci scholar really does need to know the difference between the two. Socialism is indeed more authoritarian than is American exceptionalism, but it is not Marxist in that authority nor does it dictate what people are allowed to study and what they aren't or what profession they must seek or not seek.

I've read everything there is to read on the subject...

NO MORE READING!!!!

I was sick of reading books sympathetic to communism when I was a student and I am now...

I love how these authors are the same fucks that will cite Iraq as a "war crime" but will sit there and defend Stalin or Mao as something "logical."

Fuck that shit...

Progressives have their priorities all fucked up...

North Korea is a fucking ant hill because peanut boy was so liberal with a fucking lunatic...

Indeed...

Then they all cry when dear "oppressor" dies - including American progressive bloggers and progressives in general....

 

[The T]

I've read everything there is to read on the subject...

NO MORE READING!!!!

I was sick of reading books sympathetic to communism when I was a student and I am now...

I love how these authors are the same fucks that will cite Iraq as a "war crime" but will sit there and defend Stalin or Mao as something "logical."

Fuck that shit...

Progressives have their priorities all fucked up...

North Korea is a fucking ant hill because peanut boy was so liberal with a fucking lunatic...

Indeed...

Then they all cry when dear "oppressor" dies - including American progressive bloggers and progressives in general....

They had better be careful for what they wish for.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Indeed...

Then they all cry when dear "oppressor" dies - including American progressive bloggers and progressives in general....

They had better be careful for what they wish for.

I've had an interest in North Korea for 15 years or so...

Kim Jong-Un is now the new "dear leader."

He is like 28-years-old..

 

[The T]

Then they all cry when dear "oppressor" dies - including American progressive bloggers and progressives in general....

They had better be careful for what they wish for.

I've had an interest in North Korea for 15 years or so...

Kim Jong-Un is now the new "dear leader."

He is like 28-years-old..

And ripe for being a puppet.

 

[Sallow]

Huh?

so·cial·ism/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
Noun:

A political and economic theory of that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated...
(in Marxist theory) A transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

That describes the GObP/Repub party.

It also describes the Repub health care system where we all have to pay for the care of those who do not or cannot pay for themselves.

Its the opposite of ObamaCare.

Naw.

What describes the GOP is this gentleman.

By helping to lift the human being above the level of mere animal existence, Faith really contributes to consolidate and safeguard its own existence. Taking humanity as it exists to-day and taking into consideration the fact that the religious beliefs which it generally holds and which have been consolidated through our education, so that they serve as moral standards in practical life, if we should now abolish religious teaching and not replace it by anything of equal value the result would be that the foundations of human existence would be seriously shaken.

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. ...Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. ...

- Adolf Hitler, speech on April 12, 1922

 

[Sallow]

They had better be careful for what they wish for.

I've had an interest in North Korea for 15 years or so...

Kim Jong-Un is now the new "dear leader."

He is like 28-years-old..

And ripe for being a puppet.

You guys keep bringing up Korea. Do even care about Koreans?

Seriously?

Other then making them stooges for an American Empire?

Any country on the planet that shows any sort of independent thinking..you guys absolutely hate. Be it an ally like France or Germany or anybody else.

About the only country that conservatives remotely like these days seems to be Israel. And that's because of a hatred for anything Arab.

 

[Truthseeker420]

Then prove the following: Democratic Socialists of America did not create the New Party
Prove to me that Obama was not a member of the New Party

link

 

[Uncensored2008]

WTF are you blabbing about?

I don't know either, but no matter what it is, you'll lie about it.

True statement.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That describes the GObP/Repub party.

You actually ARE mentally retarded, aren't you?

It also describes the Repub health care system where we all have to pay for the care of those who do not or cannot pay for themselves.

Its the opposite of ObamaCare.

You prove that the lower the IQ, the further to the left...

 

[RykerWrite]

I am not saying Obama is a socialist.
Never said it.
But Obama does believe in many ideas that are of the socialist ideology.

See, again, speaking as a socialist myself, I do know what you're talking about. But the problem (from my perspective) is that it seems to be nothing more than talk.... ...has done almost nothing to narrow income gaps or promote full employment or encourage organized labor or in any way tread on the toes of big business...

He talks a lot more socialist than he walks.

Socialism is a dream.

We wake up and have as much money as the next man. We go to sleep, and wake up again. Again we have as much as the next man.

It never happens. The fantasies of dreams only happen when we dream. When we are awake, we each have to earn our own way.

People work so that we can get something for themselves. They get better jobs so that they can get more for themselves. They invent things to sell or come up with better ideas for the same reason.

Someone came along and called it Capitalism, but it was just people doing what they had done since the beginning of man. They were buying and selling – earning a living.

Someone else came along and invented Socialism. He wrote a tome explaining how it would work, but it never worked. It never worked in Russia. It never worked in Israel. It never worked in England. It has never worked in any country that tried it.

Fantasies only work in our dreams. In order for something to work, it has to be based upon reality. People work to get something out of life. That’s reality.

You cannot create wealth by taking from people. That has never worked. That is just a fantasy.

Go back to sleep.

 

[Uncensored2008]

THIS is what I'm talking about, dumbfuck.

Bush Approves Auto Industry Bailout - The Consumerist

Bush started the ball rolling on this and it was the RIGHT thing to do. The last thing he or Obama needed was to add tens of thousands to the unemployment rolls during Bush's Great Recession.

Get your head out of your ass and start reading something besides "The Conservative Post".

Giving a starving man a sandwich and buying him a yacht are two entirely different positions.

Bush did the former, your Messiah® did the latter.

Bush was wrong, Obama continues to be a colossal fuckup.

 

[RykerWrite]

About the only country that conservatives remotely like these days seems to be Israel. And that's because of a hatred for anything Arab.

The Prime Minister of Israel explained it once: The only country in the Middle East where Arabs are free is Israel.

One Palestinian killed an infant with the butt of his riffle. Eventually, he went to prison in Lebanon. He got out and was hailed as a hero by the Palestinians. Heroes in my book save lives. They don’t murder babies, but that is how Palestinians think.

The only Palestinian leaders are those who propose violence. You cannot espouse moderation or peace in Palestine and be a leader.

The Israelis are at fault too. They have made it illegal to murder children in school buses. I guess that they just don’t like murderers.

I guess that we should be even handed. We should see the Israelis as half bad, and those who murdered 2500 people in the World Trade Center as half good.

Personally, if the violent Muslims would ever behave like they were half good, I would be willing to treat them like half good.

PS. Palestinian leaders make peace agreements sometimes, but then they immediately return to violence.

 

[BlindBoo]

Ignorant faggot..

Lets not forget Obama Bailed out the labor unions with "stimulus" lets not forget the retard bailed out GM then turned around and issued vouchers to citizens who wanted to buy a UAW made car all on the taxpayers dime..

How fucking stupid do you think I am??

Like I cant see Obama bailing out GM then stimulating his UAW buddies (because they support democrats) with taxpayer funds??

No, you probably just rationalize it differently...

Connect the dots dickhead... This is the real world not one of your progressive fantasies..

WTF...

And "bailing out the automakers" is one of the few BUSH programs that actually worked and worked well.

it did?

How fair was that bailout to Ford?

They do everything right...and get nothing.

GM gets bailed out for doing it wrong...

So now GM has capital that was never theirs and ford is forced to compete with them with their own capital.

So failure is rewqarded while success is forced to fend for itself.

Sure...real successful...great lesson learned there!

To anyone who purchased Ford Stock at the height of the debacle made out like a bandit. It was at about a dollar a share. It sky-rocketed. Where as the GM stockholders got screwed. Also I think Ford overtook GM in marketshares during this time too.

 

[AmericanFirst]

It's your OP that makes no sense, bro. Who are the Democratic Socialists of America? What is the New Party?

The DS of A is not some small hidden group.

I found it with a web search: Democratic Socialists of America

They may not be hidden, but I'd say "small" describes them pretty well. And I still don't know what the "New Party" is. Here's one reference to something by that name:

New Party (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That outfit existed in the 1990s. And apparently it might have endorsed Obama in '96.

This is pretty damned obscure, frankly. It's hardly evidence that Obama is a socialist. Certainly not enough to counter the mountain of evidence to the contrary. And I say that as someone who would very much prefer it if he was.

Socialists are foolish idiots. Describes obamaturd to a t.

 

[BlindBoo]

The DS of A is not some small hidden group.

I found it with a web search: Democratic Socialists of America

They may not be hidden, but I'd say "small" describes them pretty well. And I still don't know what the "New Party" is. Here's one reference to something by that name:

New Party (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That outfit existed in the 1990s. And apparently it might have endorsed Obama in '96.

This is pretty damned obscure, frankly. It's hardly evidence that Obama is a socialist. Certainly not enough to counter the mountain of evidence to the contrary. And I say that as someone who would very much prefer it if he was.

Socialists are foolish idiots. Describes obamaturd to a t.

Nah, people who refer to the Preisdent as obamaturd are the foolish idoits.