auditor0007
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Bottom line is that the oil companies never want to see $2 gas again, under any circumstances.
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do you not agree that without higher gas prices, no one will explore alternative energies?im not the one complaining about rising gas prices like you are. i made the decision 5 years ago when gas spiked to get a more fuel efficient car. thats called personal responsibility and planning ahead.
if youre that upset, why not protest the oil companies. or buy yourself a scooter. do you ever thing before you post either????
The only snag is all of the big-mouths in his administration that have been telling us they want the price to go up......including himself before he was elected.
It's one thing to say you understand our pain, it's yet another to act like you could care less at the same time.
this was the same discussion 5 years ago when gas spiked. there was a huge interest in hybrid cars and improving fuel efficiency. thus i made the decision back then that i would not be affect like i was before should gas prices rise. i know many people who made the same decision. now that gas prices have started to rise again, people are complaining because they went back to buying big trucks and SUV's.
maybe now people will take alternative and renewable energies seriously.
btw thats a terrible comic, since it refers to fundraising. if you wanted candidates to have the same amount of money, then you need to have election reform and have all candidate take public money in the same amount. otherwise, thats just capitalism at its finest.
That's about what I remember it being, post-911/pre-Iraq invasion. Around $1.39 here.
The day Clinton left office, it was $1.09 here.
Then you have no proof you heard it. In any event that subsidy thing is hogwash.Then provide a link to the quote so we can hear it for ourselves. We don't prove negatives around here.
No link? You heard shit.
BTW any idiot knows gas prices are much higher in Europe. This is due to taxation.
The market price for gasoline is the same around the world. The Euros tax the shit out of it. Is it your conclusion that we here in the States should be paying upwards of $7 per gallon?
I didn't quote anybody, dipshit. I said that I heard on a talk show that one of the factors determining the difference in price between the US and Europe is that in the US, we subsidize big oil, which translates into lower gas prices compared to Europe, where they don't subsidize big oil. Like I said, you don't buy it? Then prove it wrong. I couldn't care less what you do. BTW, I noticed you couldn't dispute anything else in my post; so, you decided to focus on the one vague point I made. Hack.
First, Europe has limited oil reserves. European nations import almost ALL of their consumable oil and fuel.
The majority of the pump prices paid by European drivers are in the form of taxes.
The lack of subsidies is immaterial.
Us oil companies are paltry. Oil Company Subsidies Clarified « Hot Air.
Fact is most of the money goes to small independent companies exploration outfits and geological firms.
Your argument is nonsense. The price we pay is unaffected by government giveaways.
To further debunk your silly argument.
Today the wholesale price of regular gas on the New York Mercantile Exchange closed at $3.31 per gallon. That is the market price. Here in the US typical pump price is about 70 cents to one dollar higher allowing for taxes, delivery charges and retailer profit.
The Euros pay the same price. Their final pump price is determined by taxes added by each nation. If what you say is true then the price of gas would be about the same throughout the continent. It isn't. There is about a $4 per gallon difference between the lowest and highest pump prices.
Please stop the subsidy crap. It's not true.
You can believe what you want. The facts say otherwise.
Dipshit? Hey...Fuck you.Then provide a link to the quote so we can hear it for ourselves. We don't prove negatives around here.
No link? You heard shit.
BTW any idiot knows gas prices are much higher in Europe. This is due to taxation.
The market price for gasoline is the same around the world. The Euros tax the shit out of it. Is it your conclusion that we here in the States should be paying upwards of $7 per gallon?
I didn't quote anybody, dipshit. I said that I heard on a talk show that one of the factors determining the difference in price between the US and Europe is that in the US, we subsidize big oil, which translates into lower gas prices compared to Europe, where they don't subsidize big oil. Like I said, you don't buy it? Then prove it wrong. I couldn't care less what you do. BTW, I noticed you couldn't dispute anything else in my post; so, you decided to focus on the one vague point I made. Hack.
If you're gonna hurl insults, go for the gold.
If you are going to post dumb stuff like "I heard" avoid the nonsense and quote the person who said it. Simple.
Now if you want the government to be in charge of domestic gas prices..that's another argument entirely.
What I have heard repeatedly is the our energy supply is of critical nationl importance. If this is fact, then why in the hell would we sell our dwindling supply of crude to other investors anywhere in the world? Sell our national treasure to the highest world wide bidder.
Oh I know. It's capitalism. And those companies have a god given right to drill our oil and sell it back to us at prices that reflect the world market prices. Even though it is Americas oil.
Yea I could see where the governmnet needs to take over the oil industry in America. I mean it is of critical nationl importance. Right? And the oil companies are only loyal to profit and the bottom line. The oil companies could give a shit less where they sell our oil.
Nothing like cutting your own throat.
I absolutely agree with the first sentence re: speculators, OPEC, etc.He's right. Speculators, OPEC and the political environment in places like Iran, determine gas prices. I've also heard that we have cheaper gas than Europe does because we give subsidies to big oil. US production isn't the determining factor either. US production has increased significantly under the Obama administration.
I absolutely agree with the first sentence re: speculators, OPEC, etc.He's right. Speculators, OPEC and the political environment in places like Iran, determine gas prices. I've also heard that we have cheaper gas than Europe does because we give subsidies to big oil. US production isn't the determining factor either. US production has increased significantly under the Obama administration.
However gasoline prices are higher in Europe primarily due to higher taxes.
Also, Brent crude is selling at a $15/barrel premium to U.S. produced crudes.
BTW there are no subsides to the U.S. oil industry.
At the same time, BP was reaping sizable tax benefits from leasing the rig. According to a letter sent in June to the Senate Finance Committee, the company used a tax break for the oil industry to write off 70 percent of the rent for Deepwater Horizon a deduction of more than $225,000 a day since the lease began.
With federal officials now considering a new tax on petroleum production to pay for the cleanup, the industry is fighting the measure, warning that it will lead to job losses and higher gasoline prices, as well as an increased dependence on foreign oil.
But an examination of the American tax code indicates that oil production is among the most heavily subsidized businesses, with tax breaks available at virtually every stage of the exploration and extraction process.
I absolutely agree with the first sentence re: speculators, OPEC, etc.He's right. Speculators, OPEC and the political environment in places like Iran, determine gas prices. I've also heard that we have cheaper gas than Europe does because we give subsidies to big oil. US production isn't the determining factor either. US production has increased significantly under the Obama administration.
However gasoline prices are higher in Europe primarily due to higher taxes.
Also, Brent crude is selling at a $15/barrel premium to U.S. produced crudes.
BTW there are no subsides to the U.S. oil industry.
Really?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/business/04bptax.html
At the same time, BP was reaping sizable tax benefits from leasing the rig. According to a letter sent in June to the Senate Finance Committee, the company used a tax break for the oil industry to write off 70 percent of the rent for Deepwater Horizon a deduction of more than $225,000 a day since the lease began.
With federal officials now considering a new tax on petroleum production to pay for the cleanup, the industry is fighting the measure, warning that it will lead to job losses and higher gasoline prices, as well as an increased dependence on foreign oil.
But an examination of the American tax code indicates that oil production is among the most heavily subsidized businesses, with tax breaks available at virtually every stage of the exploration and extraction process.
Now if you want the government to be in charge of domestic gas prices..that's another argument entirely.
What I have heard repeatedly is the our energy supply is of critical nationl importance. If this is fact, then why in the hell would we sell our dwindling supply of crude to other investors anywhere in the world? Sell our national treasure to the highest world wide bidder.
Oh I know. It's capitalism. And those companies have a god given right to drill our oil and sell it back to us at prices that reflect the world market prices. Even though it is Americas oil.
Yea I could see where the governmnet needs to take over the oil industry in America. I mean it is of critical nationl importance. Right? And the oil companies are only loyal to profit and the bottom line. The oil companies could give a shit less where they sell our oil.
Nothing like cutting your own throat.
That would be sorta the logical thing to do. But we are not discussing logical people. For nearly a century or so we've been sending kids to go world wide and stomp on foreign people to grab their resources. Additionally we've given all sorts of goodies to big oil like cheap land use rates, grants and subsidies. What has that gotten us? A great deal of expense for "cheap" oil. And the "new" argument is to give big oil more..in the hope that they will charge less for their product. It makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.
Big oil..is out for profit. That's it. They are not patriotic. They are not altruists. They are self motivated.
Big oil..is out for profit. That's it. They are not patriotic. They are not altruists. They are self motivated.
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It really is that simple.
*********************************************A few weeks ago Obama said he has no control over the price of gas.
Now he's gonna try to convince us he's doing everything in his power to control it.....but it is a hopeless cause........just deal with it.
Yes or no.
Domestic production at the present time is greater then when George W. Bush was President?
It's a binary questions. A simple yes or no..will do.
************************************What I have heard repeatedly is the our energy supply is of critical nationl importance. If this is fact, then why in the hell would we sell our dwindling supply of crude to other investors anywhere in the world? Sell our national treasure to the highest world wide bidder.
Oh I know. It's capitalism. And those companies have a god given right to drill our oil and sell it back to us at prices that reflect the world market prices. Even though it is Americas oil.
Yea I could see where the governmnet needs to take over the oil industry in America. I mean it is of critical nationl importance. Right? And the oil companies are only loyal to profit and the bottom line. The oil companies could give a shit less where they sell our oil.
Nothing like cutting your own throat.
That would be sorta the logical thing to do. But we are not discussing logical people. For nearly a century or so we've been sending kids to go world wide and stomp on foreign people to grab their resources. Additionally we've given all sorts of goodies to big oil like cheap land use rates, grants and subsidies. What has that gotten us? A great deal of expense for "cheap" oil. And the "new" argument is to give big oil more..in the hope that they will charge less for their product. It makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.
Big oil..is out for profit. That's it. They are not patriotic. They are not altruists. They are self motivated.
Yeah, and profits are evil in this country.
Even though George Soros, Warren Buffet, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, and Jeffery Immelt are pulling in the bucks thanks to Obama policies.
I absolutely agree with the first sentence re: speculators, OPEC, etc.
However gasoline prices are higher in Europe primarily due to higher taxes.
Also, Brent crude is selling at a $15/barrel premium to U.S. produced crudes.
BTW there are no subsides to the U.S. oil industry.
Really?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/business/04bptax.html
At the same time, BP was reaping sizable tax benefits from leasing the rig. According to a letter sent in June to the Senate Finance Committee, the company used a tax break for the oil industry to write off 70 percent of the rent for Deepwater Horizon a deduction of more than $225,000 a day since the lease began.
With federal officials now considering a new tax on petroleum production to pay for the cleanup, the industry is fighting the measure, warning that it will lead to job losses and higher gasoline prices, as well as an increased dependence on foreign oil.
But an examination of the American tax code indicates that oil production is among the most heavily subsidized businesses, with tax breaks available at virtually every stage of the exploration and extraction process.
Spin it how you will. I'm not going to go roundy-round with you on this as it's been beaten to death in other threads.
It is incredulous to use "tax breaks" and "subsidies" in the same sentence, rendering your post irrelevent.