Obama plans to expand overtime eligibility for millions of workers

[Skull Pilot]

Salary agreements usually come with higher pay and more benefits than hourly workers get.

Why not let people make up their own mind about taking a salaried position or staying in an hourly position?

All this new regulation will do is deny people the extra pay and benefits of salaried positions.

Fine...pay them over $50,000 and you can treat them how you like

Below that....pay them for their hours worked

Yup and now all those people who were salary at 45K will lose the extra pay and benefits of their salaried position, get a pay cut be denied overtime and will make less

Just what you people want

Nope. The stock holders and owners want volume. They will take a slight dip in their profits to keep the profits coming.

yes because the only companies this will affect are publicly traded right?

Wrong.

Try it again. No wonder you are not an owner.

Salary agreements usually come with higher pay and more benefits than hourly workers get.

Why not let people make up their own mind about taking a salaried position or staying in an hourly position?

All this new regulation will do is deny people the extra pay and benefits of salaried positions.

Fine...pay them over $50,000 and you can treat them how you like

Below that....pay them for their hours worked

Yup and now all those people who were salary at 45K will lose the extra pay and benefits of their salaried position, get a pay cut be denied overtime and will make less

Just what you people want

Nope. The stock holders and owners want volume. They will take a slight dip in their profits to keep the profits coming.

yes because the only companies this will affect are publicly traded right?

Wrong.

Try it again. No wonder you are not an owner.

where have you been I own a business

Excuse the fuck out of me for reading your post too fast

 

[Dragonlady]

Employees can decide if they want to work at a business.

Don't like the deal...quit.

You can continue to show why your posts are not worth reading anymore.

In an equal and fair market they can, but the current economy is skewed heavily towards the employer. There are few jobs for people without some sort of in-demand specialist skills. When 5,000 people line up for 500 jobs at a shopping mall, workers have to take what they can get, and for employers, they pay the least amount possible under the law. If the worker doesn't like it, well there are 4500 people out there who will take the job.

For someone who is new around here, you're a real a$$hat. You don't know jack shit so stop acting like you're all that and a bag of peanuts.

 

[rightwinger]

what does "employers govern themselves" mean?

If you had been an employer, you would know. Since you haven't, not to worry.

LOL, at one time I had over 100 people working for me. I was an employer. We paid very good wages and gave very good benefits. my employees were non-union. My competitors paid similar wages.

If you are saying that employers should share the profits with employees, that is exactly what we did at the end of each year. BTW, evil walmart does that too. Walmart employees get walmart stock as part of their compensation package.

Mandating more overtime pay will only result in fewer overtime hours for the people who need it.

this is nothing but another stupid left wing attempt to buy votes. It wil never pass the house, so obama is once again pissing up a rope.

It is amazing that we have a president who seems bent on making sure the way he feels things should be are the way they are.

Employees and employers existed long before him and will exist long after him. They've been doing well for a long time.

I've stated that I think we have a wage issue......but Obama is not the one to fix it.

They even existed before we had labor laws

Government stepped in to make sure workplaces were safe and that employees were fairly compensated for their labor

You want employees to give up their life for you? Pay them for it

Hard to believe we still have conservatives who oppose the 40 hour week

I am not a conservative.

Nobody said anything about a 40 hour work week.

You are a pro at making stuff up to argue against.

What do you think overtime is?

 

[JakeStarkey]

That's the spirit! Anyone can be stuck at work for 60 hrs a week at $23k a year, and still find plenty of room in their schedule and their budget to go back to school and get their college degree. It's only the reasonable thing to do.

I was just telling my cook that while I would enjoy the OT pay for anything over 50, I'd rather have the quality of life of o ly working50 instead of my 67....

Let me know how you approach your boss and how it works out

You make a good point

Surrendering your quality of life for no additional compensation is an abuse of the employee. 67 hours is six eleven hour days which essentially means you get no time after work and one day a week to have....a life

Half of my shifts are graveyards.....I actually get two consecutive days off so I work 13,14,15hrs days.....my first day off I sleep it away

My son used to work hours like that. He could come home from work, grab some sleep and head back to work for six days straight.
He had one day a week to "have a life" then back to work

And you were making him do it ?

Or his boss was holding a gun to his head.

He couldn't quit ?

Grow up.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

It is amazing that we have a president who seems bent on making sure the way he feels things should be are the way they are.

Employees and employers existed long before him and will exist long after him. They've been doing well for a long time.

I've stated that I think we have a wage issue......but Obama is not the one to fix it.

They even existed before we had labor laws

Government stepped in to make sure workplaces were safe and that employees were fairly compensated for their labor

You want employees to give up their life for you? Pay them for it

Hard to believe we still have conservatives who oppose the 40 hour week

Salary agreements usually come with higher pay and more benefits than hourly workers get.

Why not let people make up their own mind about taking a salaried position or staying in an hourly position?

All this new regulation will do is deny people the extra pay and benefits of salaried positions.

Fine...pay them over $50,000 and you can treat them how you like

Below that....pay them for their hours worked

Yup and now all those people who were salary at 45K will lose the extra pay and benefits of their salaried position, get a pay cut be denied overtime and will make less

Just what you people want

Nope. The stock holders and owners want volume. They will take a slight dip in their profits to keep the profits coming.

Yes. Volume is health and long term volume is success.

 

[rightwinger]

Employees can decide if they want to work at a business.

Don't like the deal...quit.

You can continue to show why your posts are not worth reading anymore.

In an equal and fair market they can, but the current economy is skewed heavily towards the employer. There are few jobs for people without some sort of in-demand specialist skills. When 5,000 people line up for 500 jobs at a shopping mall, workers have to take what they can get, and for employers, they pay the least amount possible under the law. If the worker doesn't like it, well there are 4500 people out there who will take the job.

For someone who is new around here, you're a real a$$hat. You don't know jack shit so stop acting like you're all that and a bag of peanuts.

And that is the key to these labor laws. When you have three people lined up to take a job, it is hard for an employee to complain about working conditions.

Keep the workers hungry and you can demand what you want

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

- U.S. June auto sales remained strong in June as sport utility vehicles and trucks again outpaced cars amid moderately low gasoline prices, automakers reported on Wednesday.... (Reuters)

 

[hortysir]

LOL, at one time I had over 100 people working for me. I was an employer. We paid very good wages and gave very good benefits. my employees were non-union. My competitors paid similar wages.

If you are saying that employers should share the profits with employees, that is exactly what we did at the end of each year. BTW, evil walmart does that too. Walmart employees get walmart stock as part of their compensation package.

Mandating more overtime pay will only result in fewer overtime hours for the people who need it.

this is nothing but another stupid left wing attempt to buy votes. It wil never pass the house, so obama is once again pissing up a rope.

It is amazing that we have a president who seems bent on making sure the way he feels things should be are the way they are.

Employees and employers existed long before him and will exist long after him. They've been doing well for a long time.

I've stated that I think we have a wage issue......but Obama is not the one to fix it.

They even existed before we had labor laws

Government stepped in to make sure workplaces were safe and that employees were fairly compensated for their labor

You want employees to give up their life for you? Pay them for it

Hard to believe we still have conservatives who oppose the 40 hour week

Salary agreements usually come with higher pay and more benefits than hourly workers get.

Why not let people make up their own mind about taking a salaried position or staying in an hourly position?

All this new regulation will do is deny people the extra pay and benefits of salaried positions.

Fine...pay them over $50,000 and you can treat them how you like

Below that....pay them for their hours worked

Yup and now all those people who were salary at 45K will lose the extra pay and benefits of their salaried position, get a pay cut be denied overtime and will make less

Just what you people want

I don't think it's even legal to cut someone's pay.
If they wanna cut my hours and still pay me the same....sure

 

[Sun Devil 92]

They even existed before we had labor laws

Government stepped in to make sure workplaces were safe and that employees were fairly compensated for their labor

You want employees to give up their life for you? Pay them for it

Hard to believe we still have conservatives who oppose the 40 hour week

Salary agreements usually come with higher pay and more benefits than hourly workers get.

Why not let people make up their own mind about taking a salaried position or staying in an hourly position?

All this new regulation will do is deny people the extra pay and benefits of salaried positions.

Fine...pay them over $50,000 and you can treat them how you like

Below that....pay them for their hours worked

Yup and now all those people who were salary at 45K will lose the extra pay and benefits of their salaried position, get a pay cut be denied overtime and will make less

Just what you people want

Nope. The stock holders and owners want volume. They will take a slight dip in their profits to keep the profits coming.

yes because the only companies this will affect are publicly traded right?

Wrong.

He's a moron.

I have him on ignore.

It cuts down on finding the meaninful posts when the crap ones are hidden.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Employees can decide if they want to work at a business.

Don't like the deal...quit.

You can continue to show why your posts are not worth reading anymore.

In an equal and fair market they can, but the current economy is skewed heavily towards the employer. There are few jobs for people without some sort of in-demand specialist skills. When 5,000 people line up for 500 jobs at a shopping mall, workers have to take what they can get, and for employers, they pay the least amount possible under the law. If the worker doesn't like it, well there are 4500 people out there who will take the job.

For someone who is new around here, you're a real a$$hat. You don't know jack shit so stop acting like you're all that and a bag of peanuts.

That is not the fault of the employer.

They do what they do and it's one reason people are so willing to work. It's called and economy and a marketplace.

And BTW: I don't buy your math. There are not 4500 people lined up. Those same 4500 people are in other lines applying for other jobs.

I saw this with my friends. 10 wanted into medical school. The conventional wisdom said 1 in 20 applicants get accepted. They all got into schools because they applied to 20 different schools.

Sorry you can't take the pushback. Being new to the board does not make me new to life (and, in fact, this board is mostly bull....so if you think your time here buys you something you really are stupid). There are no dues to be paid and you can kiss my ass.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

If you had been an employer, you would know. Since you haven't, not to worry.

LOL, at one time I had over 100 people working for me. I was an employer. We paid very good wages and gave very good benefits. my employees were non-union. My competitors paid similar wages.

If you are saying that employers should share the profits with employees, that is exactly what we did at the end of each year. BTW, evil walmart does that too. Walmart employees get walmart stock as part of their compensation package.

Mandating more overtime pay will only result in fewer overtime hours for the people who need it.

this is nothing but another stupid left wing attempt to buy votes. It wil never pass the house, so obama is once again pissing up a rope.

It is amazing that we have a president who seems bent on making sure the way he feels things should be are the way they are.

Employees and employers existed long before him and will exist long after him. They've been doing well for a long time.

I've stated that I think we have a wage issue......but Obama is not the one to fix it.

They even existed before we had labor laws

Government stepped in to make sure workplaces were safe and that employees were fairly compensated for their labor

You want employees to give up their life for you? Pay them for it

Hard to believe we still have conservatives who oppose the 40 hour week

I am not a conservative.

Nobody said anything about a 40 hour work week.

You are a pro at making stuff up to argue against.

What do you think overtime is?

A far left fabrication.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Employees can decide if they want to work at a business.

Don't like the deal...quit.

You can continue to show why your posts are not worth reading anymore.

In an equal and fair market they can, but the current economy is skewed heavily towards the employer. There are few jobs for people without some sort of in-demand specialist skills. When 5,000 people line up for 500 jobs at a shopping mall, workers have to take what they can get, and for employers, they pay the least amount possible under the law. If the worker doesn't like it, well there are 4500 people out there who will take the job.

For someone who is new around here, you're a real a$$hat. You don't know jack shit so stop acting like you're all that and a bag of peanuts.

And that is the key to these labor laws. When you have three people lined up to take a job, it is hard for an employee to complain about working conditions.

Keep the workers hungry and you can demand what you want

More of the victim card.

It's dripping on this thread.

Poor workers.

Unbelievable.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Salary agreements usually come with higher pay and more benefits than hourly workers get.

Why not let people make up their own mind about taking a salaried position or staying in an hourly position?

All this new regulation will do is deny people the extra pay and benefits of salaried positions.

Fine...pay them over $50,000 and you can treat them how you like

Below that....pay them for their hours worked

Yup and now all those people who were salary at 45K will lose the extra pay and benefits of their salaried position, get a pay cut be denied overtime and will make less

Just what you people want

Nope. The stock holders and owners want volume. They will take a slight dip in their profits to keep the profits coming.

yes because the only companies this will affect are publicly traded right? Wrong.

He's a moron. I have him on ignore. It cuts down on finding the meaninful posts when the crap ones are hidden.

Neither of you have been managers or owners obviously of private businesses. It is good that I have Sun Devil out of the way. He had no idea of what was up or down. Skull Pilot, on the other hand, has a good head if some wistful philosophy.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Sun Devils would abuse workers, period, for greed not profit.

 

[rightwinger]

LOL, at one time I had over 100 people working for me. I was an employer. We paid very good wages and gave very good benefits. my employees were non-union. My competitors paid similar wages.

If you are saying that employers should share the profits with employees, that is exactly what we did at the end of each year. BTW, evil walmart does that too. Walmart employees get walmart stock as part of their compensation package.

Mandating more overtime pay will only result in fewer overtime hours for the people who need it.

this is nothing but another stupid left wing attempt to buy votes. It wil never pass the house, so obama is once again pissing up a rope.

It is amazing that we have a president who seems bent on making sure the way he feels things should be are the way they are.

Employees and employers existed long before him and will exist long after him. They've been doing well for a long time.

I've stated that I think we have a wage issue......but Obama is not the one to fix it.

They even existed before we had labor laws

Government stepped in to make sure workplaces were safe and that employees were fairly compensated for their labor

You want employees to give up their life for you? Pay them for it

Hard to believe we still have conservatives who oppose the 40 hour week

I am not a conservative.

Nobody said anything about a 40 hour work week.

You are a pro at making stuff up to argue against.

What do you think overtime is?

A far left fabrication.

Overtime is a fabrication?

 

[rightwinger]

Employees can decide if they want to work at a business.

Don't like the deal...quit.

You can continue to show why your posts are not worth reading anymore.

In an equal and fair market they can, but the current economy is skewed heavily towards the employer. There are few jobs for people without some sort of in-demand specialist skills. When 5,000 people line up for 500 jobs at a shopping mall, workers have to take what they can get, and for employers, they pay the least amount possible under the law. If the worker doesn't like it, well there are 4500 people out there who will take the job.

For someone who is new around here, you're a real a$$hat. You don't know jack shit so stop acting like you're all that and a bag of peanuts.

And that is the key to these labor laws. When you have three people lined up to take a job, it is hard for an employee to complain about working conditions.

Keep the workers hungry and you can demand what you want

More of the victim card.

It's dripping on this thread.

Poor workers.

Unbelievable.

Yup ...poor workers

Looks like they have someone looking out for their rights.

Poor management

 

[JakeStarkey]

Employees can decide if they want to work at a business.

Don't like the deal...quit.

You can continue to show why your posts are not worth reading anymore.

In an equal and fair market they can, but the current economy is skewed heavily towards the employer. There are few jobs for people without some sort of in-demand specialist skills. When 5,000 people line up for 500 jobs at a shopping mall, workers have to take what they can get, and for employers, they pay the least amount possible under the law. If the worker doesn't like it, well there are 4500 people out there who will take the job.

For someone who is new around here, you're a real a$$hat. You don't know jack shit so stop acting like you're all that and a bag of peanuts.

And that is the key to these labor laws. When you have three people lined up to take a job, it is hard for an employee to complain about working conditions.

Keep the workers hungry and you can demand what you want

More of the victim card.

It's dripping on this thread.

Poor workers.

Unbelievable.

Yup ...poor workers Looks like they have someone looking out for their rights. Poor management

You have toids shopping owners and managers as victims, while, in fact they are victimizing the victims, just as Sun is failing to do.

 

[Skull Pilot]

It is amazing that we have a president who seems bent on making sure the way he feels things should be are the way they are.

Employees and employers existed long before him and will exist long after him. They've been doing well for a long time.

I've stated that I think we have a wage issue......but Obama is not the one to fix it.

They even existed before we had labor laws

Government stepped in to make sure workplaces were safe and that employees were fairly compensated for their labor

You want employees to give up their life for you? Pay them for it

Hard to believe we still have conservatives who oppose the 40 hour week

Salary agreements usually come with higher pay and more benefits than hourly workers get.

Why not let people make up their own mind about taking a salaried position or staying in an hourly position?

All this new regulation will do is deny people the extra pay and benefits of salaried positions.

Fine...pay them over $50,000 and you can treat them how you like

Below that....pay them for their hours worked

Yup and now all those people who were salary at 45K will lose the extra pay and benefits of their salaried position, get a pay cut be denied overtime and will make less

Just what you people want

I don't think it's even legal to cut someone's pay.
If they wanna cut my hours and still pay me the same....sure

Of course you can cut someone's pay. And if you are paid hourly and they cut your hours you will be paid less

All you have to do is give them notice that you are doing so.

If I eliminate a salaried position because I will have to pay 4-8 hours of overtime every week I can tell an employee that the salaried position is being eliminated and that he will be getting his old rate and be limited to 40 hours a week.

 

[JakeStarkey]

They even existed before we had labor laws

Government stepped in to make sure workplaces were safe and that employees were fairly compensated for their labor

You want employees to give up their life for you? Pay them for it

Hard to believe we still have conservatives who oppose the 40 hour week

Salary agreements usually come with higher pay and more benefits than hourly workers get.

Why not let people make up their own mind about taking a salaried position or staying in an hourly position?

All this new regulation will do is deny people the extra pay and benefits of salaried positions.

Fine...pay them over $50,000 and you can treat them how you like

Below that....pay them for their hours worked

Yup and now all those people who were salary at 45K will lose the extra pay and benefits of their salaried position, get a pay cut be denied overtime and will make less

Just what you people want

I don't think it's even legal to cut someone's pay.
If they wanna cut my hours and still pay me the same....sure

Of course you can cut someone's pay. And if you are paid hourly and they cut your hours you will be paid less

All you have to do is give them notice that you are doing so.

If I eliminate a salaried position because I will have to pay 4-8 hours of overtime every week I can tell an employee that the salaried position is being eliminated and that he will be getting his old rate and be limited to 40 hours a week.

That is certainly your right, and you will lose even more profit because you cut volume.

 

[rightwinger]

They even existed before we had labor laws

Government stepped in to make sure workplaces were safe and that employees were fairly compensated for their labor

You want employees to give up their life for you? Pay them for it

Hard to believe we still have conservatives who oppose the 40 hour week

Salary agreements usually come with higher pay and more benefits than hourly workers get.

Why not let people make up their own mind about taking a salaried position or staying in an hourly position?

All this new regulation will do is deny people the extra pay and benefits of salaried positions.

Fine...pay them over $50,000 and you can treat them how you like

Below that....pay them for their hours worked

Yup and now all those people who were salary at 45K will lose the extra pay and benefits of their salaried position, get a pay cut be denied overtime and will make less

Just what you people want

I don't think it's even legal to cut someone's pay.
If they wanna cut my hours and still pay me the same....sure

Of course you can cut someone's pay. And if you are paid hourly and they cut your hours you will be paid less

All you have to do is give them notice that you are doing so.

If I eliminate a salaried position because I will have to pay 4-8 hours of overtime every week I can tell an employee that the salaried position is being eliminated and that he will be getting his old rate and be limited to 40 hours a week.

But nothing is stopping you from doing that right now, is it?

If you want to slash someone's wages, you can do it whether they qualify for OT or not