Obama officially turns back on Isreal.

[docmauser1]

Where did you ever get the idea that the Palestinians started the war?

When haven't palistanians started any war?

 

[P F Tinmore]

edthecynic about that map you have been posting

The map that lies - and one that doesn't
While I presume that the white sections are indeed the land that was privately owned by Jews, the land in green was not privately owned by Arabs.

Only a tiny percentage of land in Palestine was privately owned. The various categories of land ownership included:


Mulk: privately owned in the Western sense.
Miri: Land owned by the government (originally the Ottoman crown) and suitable for agricultural use. Individuals could purchase a deed to cultivate this land and pay a tithe to the government. Ownership could be transferred only with the approval of the state. Miri rights could be transferred to heirs, and the land could be sub-let to tenants. If the owner died without an heir or the land was not cultivated for three years, the land would revert to the state.
Mahlul: Uncultivated Miri lands that would revert to the state, in theory after three years.
Mawat (or Mewat): So-called “dead”, unreclaimed land. It constituted about 50 to 60% of the land in Palestine. It belonged to the government. ...If the land had been cultivated with permission, it would be registered, at least under the Mandate, free of charge.

Elder of Ziyon: The map that lies - and one that doesn't

The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[docmauser1]

Where did you get that? It is obviously false. Did the Palestinians go to Europe to attack the Zionists?

Indeed, they couldn't - palistanians, as we know, popped up out of the blue in about 1967, and Yassir Arafat didn't have a time machine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Where did you get that? It is obviously false. Did the Palestinians go to Europe to attack the Zionists?

Indeed, they couldn't - palistanians, as we know, popped up out of the blue in about 1967, and Yassir Arafat didn't have a time machine.

There were Palestinian groups in the 1950s who got together in 1964 to form the Palestine Liberation Organization. (PLO)

You believe too much propaganda.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Where did you get that? It is obviously false.

Did the Palestinians go to Europe to attack the Zionists?

Like I said it was not Israel that started the war.


USATODAY.com - The Arab-Israeli conflict, 1947-present

Neighboring Arab nations, including Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt and then-Transjordan, lend support to the Palestinians.

Palestine was under attack from Israel and the other countries came to their defense.

You are a fucking liar.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

edthecynic about that map you have been posting

The map that lies - and one that doesn't
While I presume that the white sections are indeed the land that was privately owned by Jews, the land in green was not privately owned by Arabs.

Only a tiny percentage of land in Palestine was privately owned. The various categories of land ownership included:


Mulk: privately owned in the Western sense.
Miri: Land owned by the government (originally the Ottoman crown) and suitable for agricultural use. Individuals could purchase a deed to cultivate this land and pay a tithe to the government. Ownership could be transferred only with the approval of the state. Miri rights could be transferred to heirs, and the land could be sub-let to tenants. If the owner died without an heir or the land was not cultivated for three years, the land would revert to the state.
Mahlul: Uncultivated Miri lands that would revert to the state, in theory after three years.
Mawat (or Mewat): So-called “dead”, unreclaimed land. It constituted about 50 to 60% of the land in Palestine. It belonged to the government. ...If the land had been cultivated with permission, it would be registered, at least under the Mandate, free of charge.

Elder of Ziyon: The map that lies - and one that doesn't

The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Where did you get that? It is obviously false. Did the Palestinians go to Europe to attack the Zionists?

Indeed, they couldn't - palistanians, as we know, popped up out of the blue in about 1967, and Yassir Arafat didn't have a time machine.

There were Palestinian groups in the 1950s who got together in 1964 to form the Palestine Liberation Organization. (PLO)

You believe too much propaganda.

The All-Palestine Government was under the nominal leadership of Amin al-Husayni, the Mufti of Jerusalem. Ahmed Hilmi Abd al-Baqi was named Prime Minister.

A Palestinian National Council was convened in Gaza on 30 September 1948, under the chairmanship of Amin al-Husayni. The council passed a series of resolutions culminating on 1 October 1948 with a declaration of independence over the whole of Palestine, with Jerusalem as its capital.

All-Palestine Government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[P F Tinmore]

edthecynic about that map you have been posting

The map that lies - and one that doesn't
While I presume that the white sections are indeed the land that was privately owned by Jews, the land in green was not privately owned by Arabs.

Only a tiny percentage of land in Palestine was privately owned. The various categories of land ownership included:


Mulk: privately owned in the Western sense.
Miri: Land owned by the government (originally the Ottoman crown) and suitable for agricultural use. Individuals could purchase a deed to cultivate this land and pay a tithe to the government. Ownership could be transferred only with the approval of the state. Miri rights could be transferred to heirs, and the land could be sub-let to tenants. If the owner died without an heir or the land was not cultivated for three years, the land would revert to the state.
Mahlul: Uncultivated Miri lands that would revert to the state, in theory after three years.
Mawat (or Mewat): So-called “dead”, unreclaimed land. It constituted about 50 to 60% of the land in Palestine. It belonged to the government. ...If the land had been cultivated with permission, it would be registered, at least under the Mandate, free of charge.

Elder of Ziyon: The map that lies - and one that doesn't

The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

It also required Germany to recognize the disposition of the former Ottoman territories and to recognize the new states laid down within their boundaries. The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities.

 

[docmauser1]

Palestine was under attack from Israel and the other countries came to their defense.

Oh, who was that shakh, sultan, vazeer maybe, president of that alleged "palestine"?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Like I said it was not Israel that started the war.


USATODAY.com - The Arab-Israeli conflict, 1947-present

Neighboring Arab nations, including Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt and then-Transjordan, lend support to the Palestinians.

Palestine was under attack from Israel and the other countries came to their defense.

You are a fucking liar.

The Palestinians went to Europe and attacked the Zionists?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

It also required Germany to recognize the disposition of the former Ottoman territories and to recognize the new states laid down within their boundaries. The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities.

When you lie to me nothing you post is valid. You are full of shit.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Palestine was under attack from Israel and the other countries came to their defense.

You are a fucking liar.

The Palestinians went to Europe and attacked the Zionists?

Neighboring Arab nations, including Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt and then-Transjordan, lend support to the Palestinians. The Egyptians are the last to seek an end to hostilities; an armistice is reached in January 1949.

 

[docmauser1]

Where did you get that? It is obviously false. Did the Palestinians go to Europe to attack the Zionists?

Indeed, they couldn't - palistanians, as we know, popped up out of the blue in about 1967, and Yassir Arafat didn't have a time machine.

There were Palestinian groups in the 1950s who got together in 1964 to form the Palestine Liberation Organization. (PLO).

Are we claiming that, finally, hashisheen formed the PLO?

 

[docmauser1]

The All-Palestine Government was under the nominal leadership of Amin al-Husayni, the Mufti of Jerusalem. Ahmed Hilmi Abd al-Baqi was named Prime Minister. A Palestinian National Council was convened in Gaza on 30 September 1948, under the chairmanship of Amin al-Husayni. The council passed a series of resolutions culminating on 1 October 1948 with a declaration of independence over the whole of Palestine, with Jerusalem as its capital.

Let's be factual and, therefore, mention that, that crappy "meeting" took place on October 1, 1948, while the war, that our dear arabs started, took place May 1948 - July 1949.
That arab "government" missed the train, like all arabs, typically, do, neither was it present during the mandate period to support the allegation that there, somehow, was an established palistanian arab sovereign, which was, allegedly, ousted.

 

[taichiliberal]

It has been noted by the more rational that what Obama stated has been the foundation of US diplomacy towards the Palestinian/Israeli situation for some time now....all Obama did was to OFFICIALLY offer it as POLICY.

And the President was quite careful to state this would entail NEGOTIATIONS...NOT just re-establishment of old border lines.

he wasn't very careful when he demanded Israel stop settlements before negotiations, was he?

Given that those "settlements" were essentially in violations of previous agreements, and essentially part of the problem, I'd say he was on par.

 

[Jessica Blume]

What a piece of work, if I where Isreal I would throw up the big F.U. sign and carry on with my business. We will make relations better with Isreal after 2012 is over with. This president is embarrassing.

This president is embarrassing. The whole story is a farce, by the way. He is very fond of his masters. Israel is the problem, as they own America.

 

[docmauser1]

Given that those "settlements" were essentially in violations of previous agreements,... .

And what might those previous agreements be?

 

[docmauser1]

This president is embarrassing.

Putting it very mildly, of course.

The whole story is a farce, by the way.

When hasn't that "palistanian issue" been one big farce?

He is very fond of his masters.

Don't think so. Obama (and his family) is a child, who got an all-free vacation in Harrods. He hates everyone, reminding him of that.

Israel is the problem, as they own America.

China is the problem, as they own America.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

What a piece of work, if I where Isreal I would throw up the big F.U. sign and carry on with my business. We will make relations better with Isreal after 2012 is over with. This president is embarrassing.

This president is embarrassing. The whole story is a farce, by the way. He is very fond of his masters. Israel is the problem, as they own America.

Funny thing Germans used to say that about the Jews. How did that work out?

 

[edthecynic]

The Middle East Mindset – Whats It All About
Forgotten are UN Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338, both passed in the wake of the Six-Day War (1967) and the Yom Kippur War (1973). These Resolutions acknowledged Israel’s need for secure and recognized boundaries prior to any Israeli withdrawals. They now appear, however, to be irrelevant, raising the question: Why should Israel honor its international commitments with the Palestinians (such as those enshrined in the Oslo Accords) if international commitments made with Israel by the Palestinians are not honored as well?

The Middle East Mindset – Whats It All About | IsraelSeen.com

Except, as I have already posted the videos in this thread, NaziYahoo brags that it was HE who broke the Oslo accords!!!!!!!!!

horseshit you fuckng liar if you posed a vieo it's probuly from some arab propaganda bullshit.

CON$ just can't handle the truth. No matter how many times you expose their CON$ervative sources as the pathological liars they are, CON$ still accuse anyone who exposes them to the truth as a liar.

In this video, leaked and aired on Channel 10 (Israel), Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is seen speaking candidly back in 2001 at a constituent's home about the Oslo Accords, the peace process, Bill Clinton, and the United States. He brags of having "stopped" Oslo and refers to America as something to be "moved in the right direction," citing polls showing Americans' support for Israel.

This video has Netanyahu's actual words beginning at 3:15 in the green annotations. The other textual annotations are from articles written by others and credited in the video description.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6KLFrye9Xk&feature=related]YouTube - ‪Netanyahu: America is Easy to Push Around (English Subtitles)‬‏[/ame]

Tricky Bibi - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
Tricky Bibi

Israel has had many rightist leaders since Menachem Begin promised "many Elon Morehs," but there has never been one like Netanyahu, who wants to do it by deceit.

By Gideon Levy

This video should have been banned for broadcast to minors. This video should have been shown in every home in Israel, then sent to Washington and Ramallah. Banned for viewing by children so as not to corrupt them, and distributed around the country and the world so that everyone will know who leads the government of Israel. Channel 10 presented: The real (and deceitful ) face of Binyamin Netanyahu. Broadcast on Friday night on "This Week with Miki Rosenthal," it was filmed secretly in 2001, during a visit by Citizen Netanyahu to the home of a bereaved family in the settlement of Ofra, and astoundingly, it has not created a stir.

The scene was both pathetic and outrageous. The last of Netanyahu's devoted followers, who believe he is the man who will bring peace, would have immediately changed their minds. Presidents Barack Obama and Shimon Peres, who continue to maintain that Netanyahu will bring peace, would be talking differently had they seen this secretly filmed video clip. Even the objection of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to conducting direct negotiations with the man from the video would be understandable. What is there to discuss with a huckster whose sole purpose is "to give 2 percent in order to prevent 100 percent," as his father told him, quoting his grandfather.

Israel has had many rightist leaders since Menachem Begin promised "many Elon Morehs," but there has never been one like Netanyahu, who wants to do it by deceit, to mock America, trick the Palestinians and lead us all astray. The man in the video betrays himself in his own words as a con artist, and now he is again prime minister of Israel. Don't try to claim that he has changed since then. Such a crooked way of thinking does not change over the years.

Forget the Bar-Ilan University speech, forget the virtual achievements in his last visit to the United States; this is the real Netanyahu. No more claims that the Palestinians are to blame for the failure of the Oslo Accords. Netanyahu exposed the naked truth to his hosts at Ofra: he destroyed the Oslo accords with his own hands and deeds, and he's even proud of it. After years in which we were told that the Palestinians are to blame, the truth has emerged from the horse's mouth.

And how did he do it? He recalled how he conditioned his signing of the 1997 Hebron agreement on American consent that there be no withdrawals from "specified military locations," and insisted he choose those same locations, such as the whole of the Jordan Valley, for example. "Why is that important? Because from that moment on I stopped the Oslo Accords," he boasts. The real Netanyahu also brags about his knowledge of America: "I know what America is. America is something that can be moved easily." For the White House's information.

He calls then-U.S. President Bill Clinton "extremely pro-Palestinian," and says the Palestinians want to throw us into the sea. With such retrograde beliefs, no one can convincingly argue that he wants an agreement.
These remarks are profoundly depressing. They bear out all of our fears and suspicions: that the government of Israel is led by a man who doesn't believe the Palestinians and doesn't believe in the chance of an agreement with them, who thinks that Washington is in his pocket and that he can pull the wool over its eyes. There's no point in talking about Netanyahu's impossible rightist coalition as an obstacle to progress. From now on, just say that Netanyahu doesn't want it.