Obama: 'No excuse' for health care signup problems

[Amelia]

Nope. I have been saying in umpteen topics for weeks the GOP did nothing about healthcare costs when they had the chance. Every time someone whines about ObamaCare and predicts its downfall.

....

That is really sick that the GOP not taking over healthcare is given as a legitimate excuse for what Obama has done to us.

 

[g5000]

wow, when you are wrong, just keep repeating others are wrong often enough and maybe it will stick? Sorry, no go. Your aren't very good at the tp they have given ya, ya know.

So then you can tell us all about the healthcare reform Bush and the GOP Congress passed?

Go ahead!


!

Remind me what problem there was the GOP was supposed to fix. Was it 46M uninsured? Yeah, that was a lie.
Was it rising premiums?

Yes. And the GOP did nothing.

Was it rising health care costs?

Yes. And the GOP did nothing.

Was it poor access to health care?

Yes. And the GOP did nothing.

Obamacare made them worse

Yep. Absolutely. The reason ObamaCare exists is because the GOP did nothing.

The GOP was right to do nothing.

And that is where you and the GOP are committing the biggest blunder of all time.

There is plenty the GOP could have done to fix the problem. Would you like a list? I'm sure you have seen mine plenty of times, but I am happy to repeat it. For Vox.

 

[g5000]

The GOP should have put a plan on the table along these lines:

1. Raise the Medicare eligibility age to 70, and then index it to 9 percent of the population. We are living decades longer than our ancestors, we should be working longer.

2. Get government OUT of the healthcare business as much as possible. It is completely fucked up the government is in the healthcare business AND gets to write the rules affecting its private sector competitors.

3. Eliminate the tax exemption for employer-sponsored health insurance. Employer-sponsored health insurance bends the cost of healthcare up, and it should be discouraged as much as possible.


I should be buying my health insurance the same way I buy my auto, home, and life insurance. If I lose my job, I don't automatically lose my auto, home, or life insurance.

That is what the Right should be banging on and on and on about. Not some stupid temporary web site glitch.

Idiots.

 

[Vox]

g-5000 caught lying and here is a proof:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/318986-how-the-center-can-change-politics-2.html

I have not heard the Tea Party call for the ban of all tax expenditures. Can you provide a link?

I bet a Tea Partier would scream like a welfare queen if you threatened the mortgage interest deduction which adds $120 billion a year to the deficit.

and this is my exact answer:

I have not heard the Tea Party call for the ban of all tax expenditures. Can you provide a link?

I bet a Tea Partier would scream like a welfare queen if you threatened the mortgage interest deduction which adds $120 billion a year to the deficit.

You have not heard anything about TP except what you have been fed by LSM. And they have lied and lied and lied. And you are parroting those lies again and again and again.
stop clinging to the minor single measure of tax expenditures. It is not going to solve anything.
In order to change the way the revenue is collected - we need a tax overhaul.

this is just one of the many I can provide the links to:
Simple, Low, Fair, and Honest: a Tea Party Tax Code | TheBlaze.com

Simple, Low, Fair, and Honest: a Tea Party Tax Code
Apr. 20, 2012 3:24pm


Step 1: Scrap the code. Entirely. It’s not as impossible as it might sound. Even Obama’s own Bipartisan Deficit Commission, the so-called Simpson-Bowles Commission, called for tax reform that would lower rates and do away with many of the deductions and loopholes currently infecting the code. Not surprisingly, Obama ignored it.

Step 2: Establish a single, flat rate on personal and business income. Again, this isn’t as fantastic as it might sound. The key is in the process. You’ve probably heard that Warren Buffett pays a lower tax rate than his secretary. Let’s just assume this is true. Billionaires like Buffett, and even millionaires like Nancy Pelosi and Mitt Romney, can afford an army of tax lawyers to comb every word in the 3.6-million-word tax code looking for their deductions and loopholes. Can you afford such an army?

By eliminating every single deduction, credit, penalty, and loophole, we can erase the tax code’s inherent unfairness, which only benefits the Buffetts, Pelosis, and Romneys. Not only will this raise revenues, it will ensnare the tax cheats, expanding the nation’s taxable base. Next, you lower the rates considerably, doing away with brackets, until we have a single flat tax rate. In one popular flat tax proposal, a family of four would have the first $33,800 of its income tax free; any amount above this would be taxed at 17 percent – for everyone. No deductions, no loopholes.

Step 3: Do the same thing with corporate taxes. Right now, the U.S. has the highest corporate tax rate in the developed world. Even Obama has suggested it needs to go down. Like the individual flat tax, with the business flat tax income would be taxed once and only once. Businesses would calculate total revenue, subtract total expenses, and pay a flat tax on that amount.

Step 4: File your taxes on a postcard.

Step 5: Use all the time and money you’ve saved in the full pursuit of life, liberty and happiness.

That’s what a simple, low, fair, and honest tax code would look like. Many accuse the Tea Party of simply wanting lower taxes. We do, but lower rates are just part of fundamental tax reform. Many accuse the Tea Party of favoring the wealthy. These people have obviously never been to a Tea Party rally before. In fact, what the Tea Party wants is fairness – and not the faux class warfare “fairness” espoused by the Occupy Wall Street crowd.
Tax Reform - The Villages Tea Party
Tax Reform | Kingwood TEA Party

 

[The Rabbi]

So then you can tell us all about the healthcare reform Bush and the GOP Congress passed?

Go ahead!


!

Remind me what problem there was the GOP was supposed to fix. Was it 46M uninsured? Yeah, that was a lie.
Was it rising premiums?

Yes. And the GOP did nothing.





Yes. And the GOP did nothing.

Was it poor access to health care?

Yes. And the GOP did nothing.

QUOTE=The Rabbi;8027857] Obamacare made them worse

Yep. Absolutely. The reason ObamaCare exists is because the GOP did nothing.

The GOP was right to do nothing.

And that is where you and the GOP are committing the biggest blunder of all time.

There is plenty the GOP could have done to fix the problem. Would you like a list? I'm sure you have seen mine plenty of times, but I am happy to repeat it. For Vox. [/QUOTE]

No, it would have made the problems worse.
Truth be told, there was no problem. At least not one that demanded a federal solution. It was only obozo and his progressive buddies who ginned this up because universal health care is on their Wish list for Socialist Christmas.

 

[tinydancer]

So we have the clusterfuck ObamaCare because the GOP sat on its ass and did nothing when it had the chance, basically.

You got fucked by the GOP and the Democrats, folks. Evil succeeded because good men did NOTHING.

Wake up.

Obamacare is now Bush's fault.

I fucking love it!!!! The idiocy that is America. Right here. Right now.

"The only thing nececessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

I can't help it if that concept sails six miles over your head.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Go to the bull ring right now and I will debate you on health care. I'm in the land of "free healthcare" that only costs a Goods and Services tax 5% down from 7% tax your version of a VAT on everything that I freaking buy.

Everything including goldfish. Cab rides. Hair cuts.

I'll be more than happy to ram "free healthcare" and how it doesn't freaking work up your ass.

Go to the Bull Ring and challenge me. Or shut up.

 

[g5000]

g-5000 caught lying and here is a proof:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/318986-how-the-center-can-change-politics-2.html

I have not heard the Tea Party call for the ban of all tax expenditures. Can you provide a link?

I bet a Tea Partier would scream like a welfare queen if you threatened the mortgage interest deduction which adds $120 billion a year to the deficit.

and this is my exact answer:

I have not heard the Tea Party call for the ban of all tax expenditures. Can you provide a link?

I bet a Tea Partier would scream like a welfare queen if you threatened the mortgage interest deduction which adds $120 billion a year to the deficit.

You have not heard anything about TP except what you have been fed by LSM. And they have lied and lied and lied. And you are parroting those lies again and again and again.
stop clinging to the minor single measure of tax expenditures. It is not going to solve anything.
In order to change the way the revenue is collected - we need a tax overhaul.

this is just one of the many I can provide the links to:
Simple, Low, Fair, and Honest: a Tea Party Tax Code | TheBlaze.com

Simple, Low, Fair, and Honest: a Tea Party Tax Code
Apr. 20, 2012 3:24pm


Step 1: Scrap the code. Entirely. It’s not as impossible as it might sound. Even Obama’s own Bipartisan Deficit Commission, the so-called Simpson-Bowles Commission, called for tax reform that would lower rates and do away with many of the deductions and loopholes currently infecting the code. Not surprisingly, Obama ignored it.

Step 2: Establish a single, flat rate on personal and business income. Again, this isn’t as fantastic as it might sound. The key is in the process. You’ve probably heard that Warren Buffett pays a lower tax rate than his secretary. Let’s just assume this is true. Billionaires like Buffett, and even millionaires like Nancy Pelosi and Mitt Romney, can afford an army of tax lawyers to comb every word in the 3.6-million-word tax code looking for their deductions and loopholes. Can you afford such an army?

By eliminating every single deduction, credit, penalty, and loophole, we can erase the tax code’s inherent unfairness, which only benefits the Buffetts, Pelosis, and Romneys. Not only will this raise revenues, it will ensnare the tax cheats, expanding the nation’s taxable base. Next, you lower the rates considerably, doing away with brackets, until we have a single flat tax rate. In one popular flat tax proposal, a family of four would have the first $33,800 of its income tax free; any amount above this would be taxed at 17 percent – for everyone. No deductions, no loopholes.

Step 3: Do the same thing with corporate taxes. Right now, the U.S. has the highest corporate tax rate in the developed world. Even Obama has suggested it needs to go down. Like the individual flat tax, with the business flat tax income would be taxed once and only once. Businesses would calculate total revenue, subtract total expenses, and pay a flat tax on that amount.

Step 4: File your taxes on a postcard.

Step 5: Use all the time and money you’ve saved in the full pursuit of life, liberty and happiness.

That’s what a simple, low, fair, and honest tax code would look like. Many accuse the Tea Party of simply wanting lower taxes. We do, but lower rates are just part of fundamental tax reform. Many accuse the Tea Party of favoring the wealthy. These people have obviously never been to a Tea Party rally before. In fact, what the Tea Party wants is fairness – and not the faux class warfare “fairness” espoused by the Occupy Wall Street crowd.
Tax Reform - The Villages Tea Party
Tax Reform | Kingwood TEA Party

Thank you for having the courage to admit I did not say the TP tax plan was "not taxing the rich". I was plainly saying I had not heard them advocate the elimination of tax expenditures.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The web site will be fixed. Then what?

Oh, yeah. The GOP still won't have an alternative solution on the table. They will look for something else to make fun of/whine about instead.

There are plenty of alternative solutions on the table, none of which will ever be recognized by you because you think Obama is god.

I think no such thing.

I will recommend to you the same thing I have asked every other deluded soul to do. Start asking everyone you meet what the GOP plan is for solving the decades-old problem of skyrocketing healthcare costs.

Ask them what the GOP did when it had all the power.

You will get shrugs. Nothing but shrugs.

The GOP plan is, "Repeal Obamacare." Then...nothing. Silence.

Don't believe me? Accept my challenge and find out for yourself.

As for my not knowing the GOP plan that exists, I actually do know it. I am not saying the GOP does not have a plan. They are just doing their best to keep it a secret.

How do we know this?

Because almost no one knows what their alternate solution is. That's how. And when they had the chance to do something, they did NOTHING.

So the American people are being fucked by the GOP and by the Democrats. You only see one side of the coin because you cannot face the WHOLE truth.

They are keeping it secret by letting everyone know they have it and the basics of the plan.

House Republicans file, promote an alternative to Obamacare - Washington Times

They even have a website, which is more than you had to defend Obamacare before it got passed.

The American Health Care Reform Act | Republican Study Committee (RSC)

But, please, feel free to keep lying, it is all you have.

 

[Vox]

wow, when you are wrong, just keep repeating others are wrong often enough and maybe it will stick? Sorry, no go. Your aren't very good at the tp they have given ya, ya know.

He is also lying. He was shown to lie about TP and after that he evaporated from the thread and now pretends he never said that.
Typical leftard way

The reason you can't find where I said that the TP had no tax policy except "not taxing the rich" is because I didn't.

you said exactly that and after I provided the links you went mum on the issue.

same is on your "novel" proposals and blaming the GOP - you are simply ignorant and there have been tons of proposals from the GOP both on healthcare and on SS/medicare/welfare reform.

You being ignorant does not mean it does not exist

we even touched the issue in the very thread I have put the links to

 

[g5000]

Obamacare is now Bush's fault.

I fucking love it!!!! The idiocy that is America. Right here. Right now.

"The only thing nececessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

I can't help it if that concept sails six miles over your head.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Go to the bull ring right now and I will debate you on health care. I'm in the land of "free healthcare" that only costs a Goods and Services tax 5% down from 7% tax your version of a VAT on everything that I freaking buy.

This has English words in it, but has no rhyme or reason to it.

 

[NLT]

Moochelle ate the code

 

[Vox]

There are plenty of alternative solutions on the table, none of which will ever be recognized by you because you think Obama is god.

I think no such thing.

I will recommend to you the same thing I have asked every other deluded soul to do. Start asking everyone you meet what the GOP plan is for solving the decades-old problem of skyrocketing healthcare costs.

Ask them what the GOP did when it had all the power.

You will get shrugs. Nothing but shrugs.

The GOP plan is, "Repeal Obamacare." Then...nothing. Silence.

Don't believe me? Accept my challenge and find out for yourself.

As for my not knowing the GOP plan that exists, I actually do know it. I am not saying the GOP does not have a plan. They are just doing their best to keep it a secret.

How do we know this?

Because almost no one knows what their alternate solution is. That's how. And when they had the chance to do something, they did NOTHING.

So the American people are being fucked by the GOP and by the Democrats. You only see one side of the coin because you cannot face the WHOLE truth.

They are keeping it secret by letting everyone know they have it and the basics of the plan.

House Republicans file, promote an alternative to Obamacare - Washington Times

They even have a website, which is more than you had to defend Obamacare before it got passed.

The American Health Care Reform Act | Republican Study Committee (RSC)

But, please, feel free to keep lying, it is all you have.

that is all they do - lying.
In the very previous thread when he was proven wrong on TP and tax code overhaul the very issue of the Paul Ryan's proposals of the reform of SS/Medicare and welfare was discussed. A week passes and g-5000 continues lying, as it was never touched.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

We all remember that big day when Bush and the Republican Congress passed health care reform that finally got rising healthcare costs under control.

Sure...

Did I fall into an alternative Universe?

You must have if you think government can ever control prices.

 

[g5000]

You already once claimed Tea Party never proposed anything on taxes except "not taxing the rich", when the reality is actually quite the opposite.

This has just been proven false. A lie.

I proposed a ban on all tax expenditures, and then plainly stated I had not heard the Tea Party advocated such a plan.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So you have nothing. Vox lied and has been caught at it. Now you are flaming out.

You are going to REPORT me?

For what?

Wow!

wow, when you are wrong, just keep repeating others are wrong often enough and maybe it will stick? Sorry, no go. Your aren't very good at the tp they have given ya, ya know.

So then you can tell us all about the healthcare reform Bush and the GOP Congress passed?

Go ahead!


Look at what Bill and Hillary put on the table to solve the rising health care cost problem. Remember HillaryCare? So even someone as dense as you and your friends know the cost problem has been with us since at least the 90s.

Then look at what Gore and Kerry put on the table while the GOP had all the power.

Even the liberal masturbation fantasy TV show West Wing all during Bush's tenure telegraphed what the lefties would do given half a chance.

But the GOP sat on its ass and did nothing, even though it was being inundated from all directions to do something. Talk about no excuse!!!

So the GOP gets it ass kicked to the curb and ObamaCare is passed.

Now you idiots are reduced to whining about a web site not working that will get fixed.

And STILL most of the people in America could not tell you what the GOP would do about the problem of rising health care costs.

A web site. Jesus H. Christ. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees!!!

I can tell you about the Bush proposal. The real problem is that, even if I did, you would deny it exists.

Bush Health Care Plan Seems to Fall Short (washingtonpost.com)

 

[g5000]

He is also lying. He was shown to lie about TP and after that he evaporated from the thread and now pretends he never said that.
Typical leftard way

The reason you can't find where I said that the TP had no tax policy except "not taxing the rich" is because I didn't.

you said exactly that and after I provided the links you went mum on the issue.

Nope. It is right there in simple black and white. I asked if the Tea Party advocated a ban on all tax expenditures.

You then posted a long screed which had nothing about the Tea Party advocating a ban on all tax expenditures.

I can't help it if you are shooting yourself in your own foot.

 

[Vox]

g-5000 caught lying and here is a proof:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/318986-how-the-center-can-change-politics-2.html

I have not heard the Tea Party call for the ban of all tax expenditures. Can you provide a link?

I bet a Tea Partier would scream like a welfare queen if you threatened the mortgage interest deduction which adds $120 billion a year to the deficit.

and this is my exact answer:

You have not heard anything about TP except what you have been fed by LSM. And they have lied and lied and lied. And you are parroting those lies again and again and again.
stop clinging to the minor single measure of tax expenditures. It is not going to solve anything.
In order to change the way the revenue is collected - we need a tax overhaul.

this is just one of the many I can provide the links to:
Simple, Low, Fair, and Honest: a Tea Party Tax Code | TheBlaze.com

Simple, Low, Fair, and Honest: a Tea Party Tax Code
Apr. 20, 2012 3:24pm


Step 1: Scrap the code. Entirely. It’s not as impossible as it might sound. Even Obama’s own Bipartisan Deficit Commission, the so-called Simpson-Bowles Commission, called for tax reform that would lower rates and do away with many of the deductions and loopholes currently infecting the code. Not surprisingly, Obama ignored it.

Step 2: Establish a single, flat rate on personal and business income. Again, this isn’t as fantastic as it might sound. The key is in the process. You’ve probably heard that Warren Buffett pays a lower tax rate than his secretary. Let’s just assume this is true. Billionaires like Buffett, and even millionaires like Nancy Pelosi and Mitt Romney, can afford an army of tax lawyers to comb every word in the 3.6-million-word tax code looking for their deductions and loopholes. Can you afford such an army?

By eliminating every single deduction, credit, penalty, and loophole, we can erase the tax code’s inherent unfairness, which only benefits the Buffetts, Pelosis, and Romneys. Not only will this raise revenues, it will ensnare the tax cheats, expanding the nation’s taxable base. Next, you lower the rates considerably, doing away with brackets, until we have a single flat tax rate. In one popular flat tax proposal, a family of four would have the first $33,800 of its income tax free; any amount above this would be taxed at 17 percent – for everyone. No deductions, no loopholes.

Step 3: Do the same thing with corporate taxes. Right now, the U.S. has the highest corporate tax rate in the developed world. Even Obama has suggested it needs to go down. Like the individual flat tax, with the business flat tax income would be taxed once and only once. Businesses would calculate total revenue, subtract total expenses, and pay a flat tax on that amount.

Step 4: File your taxes on a postcard.

Step 5: Use all the time and money you’ve saved in the full pursuit of life, liberty and happiness.

That’s what a simple, low, fair, and honest tax code would look like. Many accuse the Tea Party of simply wanting lower taxes. We do, but lower rates are just part of fundamental tax reform. Many accuse the Tea Party of favoring the wealthy. These people have obviously never been to a Tea Party rally before. In fact, what the Tea Party wants is fairness – and not the faux class warfare “fairness” espoused by the Occupy Wall Street crowd.
Tax Reform - The Villages Tea Party
Tax Reform | Kingwood TEA Party

Thank you for having the courage to admit I did not say the TP tax plan was "not taxing the rich". I was plainly saying I had not heard them advocate the elimination of tax expenditures.

you have said exactly that( tax expenditures are the loopholes for the rich) - and was even ignorant that they have touched the issue of the taxes itself.

Keep lying.

as you are in this thread - the very proposal of Paul Ryan from 2010 to reform Medicare?SS and welfare was discussed in that thread - from a week ago.

Yet today you keep posting lies as if it has never been mentioned.

Oh, what else is new, except a leftard lying

 

[g5000]

wow, when you are wrong, just keep repeating others are wrong often enough and maybe it will stick? Sorry, no go. Your aren't very good at the tp they have given ya, ya know.

So then you can tell us all about the healthcare reform Bush and the GOP Congress passed?

Go ahead!


Look at what Bill and Hillary put on the table to solve the rising health care cost problem. Remember HillaryCare? So even someone as dense as you and your friends know the cost problem has been with us since at least the 90s.

Then look at what Gore and Kerry put on the table while the GOP had all the power.

Even the liberal masturbation fantasy TV show West Wing all during Bush's tenure telegraphed what the lefties would do given half a chance.

But the GOP sat on its ass and did nothing, even though it was being inundated from all directions to do something. Talk about no excuse!!!

So the GOP gets it ass kicked to the curb and ObamaCare is passed.

Now you idiots are reduced to whining about a web site not working that will get fixed.

And STILL most of the people in America could not tell you what the GOP would do about the problem of rising health care costs.

A web site. Jesus H. Christ. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees!!!

I can tell you about the Bush proposal. The real problem is that, even if I did, you would deny it exists.

Bush Health Care Plan Seems to Fall Short (washingtonpost.com)

Never got to Congress. Never got passed. Even though they had all the power.

Would not have solved much if it did. It was weak.

Bush and the GOP abdicated all responsibility to the Democrats.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Link a quote where I said the Tea Party plan was nothing except "not taxing the rich".

I don't keep bookmarks on where I post, but I remember you disappered immediately after I have provided the links to several TP tax proposals

Nope. That was not me.

Link to the GOP legislation that was passed to fix rising healthcare costs when they had all the power. Name the act. Show Bush pushing for it. Anything. Go ahead.

and in a week you are going to tell you never said it and lie about it like happened with tax code overhaul and tea party

Nope. I have been saying in umpteen topics for weeks the GOP did nothing about healthcare costs when they had the chance. Every time someone whines about ObamaCare and predicts its downfall.

Hell, I even started a topic saying so!

Look: http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...blicans-are-responsible-for-the-shutdown.html

Nice try, liar.

The web site will get fixed. Then you all will have to find something else to whine about. It seems you losers are literally incapable of starting topics that propose solutions.

The GOP never did anything because they never had the massive power to shove something down someone's throats that you seem to think they had. Even if they had done something, I wouldn't have liked it because it would have relied on government regulation instead of the free market, so it would have been wrong. Unlike you, I never like something that gets passed by one party because I am not a hack.

 

[Vox]

The reason you can't find where I said that the TP had no tax policy except "not taxing the rich" is because I didn't.

you said exactly that and after I provided the links you went mum on the issue.

Nope. It is right there in simple black and white. I asked if the Tea Party advocated a ban on all tax expenditures.

You then posted a long screed which had nothing about the Tea Party advocating a ban on all tax expenditures.

I can't help it if you are shooting yourself in your own foot.

it is all there and if you want anybody to believe you don't know that tax expenditures are not the loopholes for the rich - you think everybody is dumb, like you are.

You were ignorant that the very policy of the TP is a tax overhaul ( which includes banning tax expenditures) and when texts and links were provided pretended it never existed.
The very proposals of the main GOP on the SS/Medicare reform was also discussed there - and you have read this - but in a week you pretend you have ever heard of it - and continue lying.

Oh, what else is new - a leftard caught lying continues to do so.