Obama Is Making Allies Nervous

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    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne...le3994513.ece?print=yes&randnum=1211656508015

    http://www.asharqalawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=2&id=12839

     
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    asharq al awsat??/

    I thought all Arabs couldn't WAIT for Obama to be president. :rolleyes:
     
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    Hamas, not all arabs
     
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    You're going to fault an Arab reporting source. Give me a break.
     
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    I'd really love an explanation from the headline writer of this thread.

    Explain how these two articles caused you to write Obama "is" making allies nervous?
     
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    Allies???? isn't there a enormous contradiction here? Since when did we care about allies, especially on the right?
     
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    Why? Have I ever used one? And did I fault the source? Or is it that I think the conclusion you draw is intentionally misleading?

    But good to know you guys haven't lost the ole propaganda arm...
     
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    This passage clearly differentiates Bush’s intransigent negotiation policy from that of his predecessors, and hopefully his successor. In normal times, a rational precondition would be that Iran is willing to accept the three Security Council resolutions if an agreement can be reached at negotiations. We have no reason to discuss terms if Iran refuses to even consider our objective. If Iran agrees to negotiate, we get together to discuss terms.

    The Bush League, however, wants Iran to agree to accept the three Security Council resolutions in advance of negotiations. They have to show all of their cards before we even ante up. That is more than a precondition – that is a demand for capitulation. It requires Iran to give us everything we want before we give them anything. No sane person would agree to unconditional surrender in these circumstances, and no sane person would expect Iran to do that either.

    Would you buy a house from someone who demanded that you agree to pay full market price as a condition to negotiate?
     
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    And the current Misadminstration's approach of not talking at all has led to what?

    The Iranian nuklar program has continued to advance. How stupid is it to say we won't talk to our enemies and then it will all get better?

    Right, let's be like Bush and say, "Until you do what we want you to do we won't meet with you to discuss what we want you to do." Frigging idiots.:cuckoo:
     
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    I have the distinct impression that rightwingers are tossing around the word "preconditions!", without any thought to what it really means. Its a word they have been repeatedly exposed from the rightwing media, and have been trained to chant it pavlovian dog style.

    What exactly do they mean "no preconditions"? Has Obama offered to give away something? Are we supposed to never talk to them unless they agree beforehand, to give us what we want?

    And why is Bush calling Israel appeasers? Israel is meeting with the terrorist state Syria, with no preconditions, in peace talks. Is Israel appeassing?
     
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