Obama get very warm welcome to the house

[Gudrid]

There is an element of convenient fantasy as well in Obama's health care statements to date. We are going to save money by spending money. We are going to solve our fiscal problems with a program that will increase the national debt by $1,000,000,000,000 over a decade. We are going to guarantee you can keep your current insurance with a bill that encourages your employer to stop offering it.

The convenient fantasies of President Obama | Washington Examiner

and people have the audacity to scoff at those who believed Bush ?

They're failing to see the big picture. And it's not being pointed out to them, because it would just be used as a talking point for loons (as in OH NOOOOS, OBAMA IS TRYING TO BANKRUPT THE INSURERS AND MAKE US ALL MARXIST). The bottom line is the insurance industry is spending a whole lot of money right now on administrative costs, marketing, investigating ways to avoid paying, and so on - and is increasing what doctors have to charge due to all the paperwork. A public plan by default is far cheaper because it cuts out the need for a lot of those expenses on several levels. So that's some of the savings. The insurance companies then have to lower prices somewhat and become more efficient to compete. The other part comes from the insurance companies themselves having to shift money to the government. My suspicion - speculative only - is that part of the money planned will be fining insurance companies for dropping people they shouldn't have, etc.

The thing is, we're really spending enough per capita for healthcare. We're just managing it very poorly.

 

[Xenophon]

BO basically ignored everything that happened in August, and is acting as if none of the townhalls and bad polls happened.

His comments where just more partisan rhetoric and will only make the base happy, not sway anyone.

 

[elvis]

BO basically ignored everything that happened in August, and is acting as if none of the townhalls and bad polls happened.

His comments where just more partisan rhetoric and will only make the base happy, not sway anyone.

if you are correct, there will be no public option.

 

[Meister]

The first step to Health Care Reform starts with Tort Reform, anything else is pure BS....

That's a state level issue, and the states that have done it have gotten screwed. Most of them saw malpractice rates skyrocket anyway, the exception being Texas. There, they lowered malpractice rates, but health insurance rates skyrocketed, completely outpacing the majority of the nation. Tort reform is a myth in terms of the big picture. Combine it with the fines for being uninsured, and all you've got is what we always seem to get - a nice fat package for the insurance companies.


On a side note, I think the concept of failing to provide a public option for millions of Americans who need it based on some fear that somewhere illegal aliens will sneak onto the plan is nonsensical. Should we fail to provide police protection and pubic schools, because somewhere an illegal immigrant may benefit?

Tort reform is a must to get costs under control, it now costs 38 billion dollars a year in cost and that is rising constantly. Mal practice insurance has risen 1400% in the last few years, that cost is passed back onto us the consumer in higher fees for service. It's ridiculous. The trail lawyer lobbyists are in the back pockets of the democratic party and have fought this reform from the get-go. Bush tried it and could not get it through the democratic controlled congress.

Where you need to fear the public option is that millions of people will be dumped into it. The reason being that business's already pay more to cover their employees than the 8% payroll tax the government would impose if they don't cover them. It's a deal for business to dump the coverage on their employees.

The government resume
Social security- bankrupt
medicare-bankrupt
medicaid-bankrupt
postal service-bankrupt.

Now he is saying that he will cover 30 million new people and it will cost 900 billion over a 10 year period, that it won't increase our taxes one dime and that it will be deficit neutral. Yeah sure- How do you add 30 million people to the system and not run up a huge deficit, it can't be done. He states that he will eliminate fraud in medicare, well why the hell not start there and why has it not been done before. Because they are absolutely NO GOOD at running ANYTHING that involves money, just look at the resume. His plan would also add numerous government agencies.

You would have the compassion of the IRS.
The efficiency of the Postal Service, and a health care system that would resemble the aftermaths of Katrina.

You mean my wife won't be able to sue the hospital for the stretch marks after her pregnancy?

 

[Modbert]

You would have the compassion of the IRS.
The efficiency of the Postal Service, and a health care system that would resemble the aftermaths of Katrina.

Funny, Lincoln created what will become the IRS. 1953 is when it got it's official name change. Who was President in 1953? Eisenhower, A Republican.

The Postal Service was reorganized in 1970 by one Richard Nixon, another Republican.

And who was President in the aftermath of Katrina that failed to properly have the right protections in place despite a report saying that the WTC and Levees in New Orleans were at risk especially in a Post 9/11 U.S.A? Dubya, a Republican.

What a ironic pattern that is.

 

[Zoom-boing]

For those of you wondering, Joe Wilson has already apologized:

"This evening I let my emotions get the best of me when listening to the President’s remarks regarding the coverage of illegal immigrants in the health care bill. While I disagree with the President’s statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere apologies to the President for this lack of civility.”

Republicans treated the speech tonight as if it were a town hall meeting, simply disrespectful. However, it was good to see people like John McCain coming out and condemning such actions.

Is he the guy who yelled out 'liar'? He's right. Should he have yelled it out? Obama and Nan and Joe shot him the hairy eyeball. He shut up. . . . but he got his message out. It wasn't anything like a town hall meeting, that's pure bullshit.

 

[elvis]

You would have the compassion of the IRS.
The efficiency of the Postal Service, and a health care system that would resemble the aftermaths of Katrina.

Funny, Lincoln created what will become the IRS. 1953 is when it got it's official name change. Who was President in 1953? Eisenhower, A Republican.

The Postal Service was reorganized in 1970 by one Richard Nixon, another Republican.

And who was President in the aftermath of Katrina that failed to properly have the right protections in place despite a report saying that the WTC and Levees in New Orleans were at risk especially in a Post 9/11 U.S.A? Dubya, a Republican.

What a ironic pattern that is.

New Orleans was unprepared for a hurricane long before Bush was president. and you may want to include Clinton in the blame for 9/11 if any blame should be spread at all.

 

[Modbert]

Is he the guy who yelled out 'liar'? He's right.

There is a time and place for such remarks. The Joint Speech to Congress is not some Town Hall meeting where the GOP can scream about death panels, though tonight they showed some of them just how much respect they had.

If not for the man, then for the position and the place.

 

[elvis]

For those of you wondering, Joe Wilson has already apologized:

"This evening I let my emotions get the best of me when listening to the President’s remarks regarding the coverage of illegal immigrants in the health care bill. While I disagree with the President’s statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere apologies to the President for this lack of civility.”

Republicans treated the speech tonight as if it were a town hall meeting, simply disrespectful. However, it was good to see people like John McCain coming out and condemning such actions.

Is he the guy who yelled out 'liar'? He's right.

He's either lying about the illegal aliens being covered or about the number of uninsured Americans being 45 million.

 

[xotoxi]

You would have the compassion of the IRS.
The efficiency of the Postal Service, and a health care system that would resemble the aftermaths of Katrina.

Funny, Lincoln created what will become the IRS. 1953 is when it got it's official name change. Who was President in 1953? Eisenhower, A Republican.

The Postal Service was reorganized in 1970 by one Richard Nixon, another Republican.

And who was President in the aftermath of Katrina that failed to properly have the right protections in place despite a report saying that the WTC and Levees in New Orleans were at risk especially in a Post 9/11 U.S.A? Dubya, a Republican.

What a ironic pattern that is.

That is pretty funny that she mentioned all three of those.

If I didn't know better, I'd say that Maple is your female conservative sockpuppet and you just set yourself up to look good.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

IMO Obama was addressing the Dems and this is a come to jesus moment
They will push some POS down the throats of the American people and it will be a disaster .

 

[Meister]

You would have the compassion of the IRS.
The efficiency of the Postal Service, and a health care system that would resemble the aftermaths of Katrina.

Funny, Lincoln created what will become the IRS. 1953 is when it got it's official name change. Who was President in 1953? Eisenhower, A Republican.

The Postal Service was reorganized in 1970 by one Richard Nixon, another Republican.

And who was President in the aftermath of Katrina that failed to properly have the right protections in place despite a report saying that the WTC and Levees in New Orleans were at risk especially in a Post 9/11 U.S.A? Dubya, a Republican.

What a ironic pattern that is.

I do believe Blanco, and Nagin were the primary culprits of the problems with N.O.

 

[Gudrid]

Tort reform is a must to get costs under control, it now costs 38 billion dollars a year in cost and that is rising constantly. Mal practice insurance has risen 1400% in the last few years, that cost is passed back onto us the consumer in higher fees for service.

Malpractice insurance rates started rising prior to lawsuits rising. Way back, the real reason for the original increases were investment losses by the insurance companies. Over the years, even when malpractice expenses have gone down (I believe for about 3 years in the 2004-ish range, but don't quote me on that as I sometimes confuse years), the insurance rates still rose. Again, tort reform has been tried in several states, and the result has universally been increased costs. It's like the saying goes - definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Where you need to fear the public option is that millions of people will be dumped into it. The reason being that business's already pay more to cover their employees than the 8% payroll tax the government would impose if they don't cover them. It's a deal for business to dump the coverage on their employees.

This, to me, is a real concern. Originally, there were supposed to be safeguards in place that required the employers to keep coverage. However, it's looking like that's going to end up being watered down to the point of being ineffectual and useless. It really depends on what ends up being presented as "the bill." And I agree with you completely on this one - if those safeguards aren't in place, we'll end up with a defacto single payer unless private rates decrease drastically, which is unlikely to the degree that would be needed to offset something like that.

You would have the compassion of the IRS.
The efficiency of the Postal Service, and a health care system that would resemble the aftermaths of Katrina.

Actually, the postal service is fairly efficient. I also disagree with your premise - I could see that argument being made in the case of a single payer system, but not public option. I firmly believe there should be a public option safety net. In fact, I think it's vital if we are to have a functioning health care system a decade or so from now. But if it's not done right, it will be a useless failure. If nothing is done, however, it will also be a useless failure. And while our government may often suck, it's what we've got to work with.

 

[edthecynic]

I don't feel comfortable supporting a man who stands idly by and lets the speaker of the house call us nazis..

Since she NEVER did that so what do you expect??? Can't you CON$ ever stop lying???

She correctly reported that your side used Nazi symbols to call Americans who support health care reform Nazi Socialists!!!

It is so typical of you CON$ to ridicule others and then pretend that you are the poor innocent VICTIMS of ridicule.

 

[xotoxi]

You would have the compassion of the IRS.
The efficiency of the Postal Service, and a health care system that would resemble the aftermaths of Katrina.

Funny, Lincoln created what will become the IRS. 1953 is when it got it's official name change. Who was President in 1953? Eisenhower, A Republican.

The Postal Service was reorganized in 1970 by one Richard Nixon, another Republican.

And who was President in the aftermath of Katrina that failed to properly have the right protections in place despite a report saying that the WTC and Levees in New Orleans were at risk especially in a Post 9/11 U.S.A? Dubya, a Republican.

What a ironic pattern that is.

New Orleans was unprepared for a hurricane long before Bush was president. and you may want to include Clinton in the blame for 9/11 if any blame should be spread at all.

I'll place the blame on Jean Baptiste La Moyne, who came up with the bright idea of building a city below sea level in the middle of the delta of the continent's largest river.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Is he the guy who yelled out 'liar'? He's right.

There is a time and place for such remarks. The Joint Speech to Congress is not some Town Hall meeting where the GOP can scream about death panels, though tonight they showed some of them just how much respect they had.

If not for the man, then for the position and the place.

The GOP wasn't screaming about death panels. One guy yelled liar when Obama said illegals wouldn't be covered. It didn't disrupt anything and he shut up. Yer making a mountain out of a molehill.

 

[Modbert]

New Orleans was unprepared for a hurricane long before Bush was president. and you may want to include Clinton in the blame for 9/11 if any blame should be spread at all.

9/11 happened on 9/11/01 obviously.

Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana on August 29, 2005 (8/29/05). Almost four years later.

I remember reading somewhere about a report before 9/11 that focused on the Twin Towers, the Levees in New Orleans, and several other places that could be potential targets. After 9/11, that report came into even more focus. However, nothing was done for four years, my question is why?

The leeves themselves were 15 years old, however, after 9/11, why was nothing done in solving this problem? The answer is obvious, the Bush Administration ignored it. Almost four years later, that decision came back to haunt them when there was a huge amount of egg on their face.

They were totally unprepared when the Hurricane finally hit.

Also, yes, I do place some blame on Clinton for 9/11, though some blame would also go to Bush's father. The whole reason that Osama Bin Laden originally hated us was our placement of troops in Saudi Arabia in 1991.

 

[WillowTree]

Is he the guy who yelled out 'liar'? He's right.

There is a time and place for such remarks. The Joint Speech to Congress is not some Town Hall meeting where the GOP can scream about death panels, though tonight they showed some of them just how much respect they had.

If not for the man, then for the position and the place.

you demoncwats have earned every ounce of disrespect that is dished to you. and then some.

 

[Zoom-boing]

For those of you wondering, Joe Wilson has already apologized:



Republicans treated the speech tonight as if it were a town hall meeting, simply disrespectful. However, it was good to see people like John McCain coming out and condemning such actions.

Is he the guy who yelled out 'liar'? He's right.

He's either lying about the illegal aliens being covered or about the number of uninsured Americans being 45 million.

I'll take 'lying about illegals being covered' for 900 billion, Alex.

 

[WillowTree]

does anybody recall the day Hillary she's getting fat Clinton sat in front of the entire Senate and called General Patraeus a liar?