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There is exactly one car on sale in the US that meets the 58 MPG standard. The reason European cars are able to produce the wonderful gas mileage you are talking about is that they have less stringent safety standards. Stop pretending you understand the issues and admit that the only way to get high mileage cars is to kill more people.
Are you serious?
I don't think you know what you are talking about.
What part do you think I don't know what I am talking about? The safety standards? Europe does not require the same side impact testing, rear impact testing, and they only require the full on frontal impact testing, not the newer 25% frontal standards we have in the US. Additionally, they do not require cars to protect people who do not where seat belts, have lower roll over standards, and have different rules for the placement, and protection, of crash test dummies. The US just started testing using dummies that are specifically designed to simulate the average adult female in the driver seat. All of this adds weight to the car, and thus reduces gas mileage.
This site is uglier than fuck, but it shows the differences.
Everything Crash - Crash Testing Safety Standards for Europe & the USA
Diesel vehicles, albeit rather compact, already get 58 mpg. Trouble is diesel has not been accepted or adopted en masse by U.S. automakers.
These CAFE standards are average fleet numbers.
Considering that the EIA has for decades consistently forcast hydrocarbons to be the dominant world source of energy to 2030, the only solution for manufacturers is to make a quantum jump to electric vehicles and/or hydrogen powered vehicles.
This will happen if Obama is re-elected, and the succeeding Presidents are also left wing Marxist Socialist anti-market enviro-cock jobs.
Ya never know.
There is exactly one car on sale in the US that meets the 58 MPG standard. The reason European cars are able to produce the wonderful gas mileage you are talking about is that they have less stringent safety standards. Stop pretending you understand the issues and admit that the only way to get high mileage cars is to kill more people.
I would like you to show me where more people per capita are dying in say United Kingdom and Germany from automobile accidents. Oh! Wait, you can't.
They might have different safety standards, but they aren't killing more people.
Country Killed per 1 Billion Veh·km (Motorways in 2003) Killed per 1 Billion Veh·km (Non-Motorways in 2003) Motorway AADT Road Travel by Motorway km/h (mph) Motorway 2003 Speed LimitAustria 5.9 13.4 30,077 23% 130 (80)
Czech Republic 9.9 34.3 25,714 11% 130 (80)
Denmark 3.0 11.9 29,454 25% 110 (70)
Finland 1.4 8.3 22,780 10% 120 (75)
France 4.0 12.8 31,979 21% 130 (80)
Germany 3.8 12.4 48,710 31% none
(130 (80) advisory)Ireland 7.4 11.0 26,730 4% 120 (75)
Italy 13.0 Unknown Unknown Unknown 130 (80)
Japan 4.0 11.9 26,152 9% 100 (60)
Netherlands 2.1 11.7 66,734 41% 120 (75)
Slovenia 8.1 18.7 15,643 19% 130 (80)
Spain 62.3 Unknown Unknown Unknown 120 (75)
Sweden 2.5 9.9 24,183 21% 110 (70)
Switzerland 2.8 11.8 43,641 33% 120 (75)
United Kingdom 2.0 9.3 85,536 23% 110 (70)
United States 5.2 10.7 39,634 24% 120 (75)
Diesel vehicles, albeit rather compact, already get 58 mpg. Trouble is diesel has not been accepted or adopted en masse by U.S. automakers.
These CAFE standards are average fleet numbers.
Considering that the EIA has for decades consistently forcast hydrocarbons to be the dominant world source of energy to 2030, the only solution for manufacturers is to make a quantum jump to electric vehicles and/or hydrogen powered vehicles.
This will happen if Obama is re-elected, and the succeeding Presidents are also left wing Marxist Socialist anti-market enviro-cock jobs.
Ya never know.
Still don't understand why they are not using diesel engines in the hybrids. That would really put the mileage up there.
There is exactly one car on sale in the US that meets the 58 MPG standard. The reason European cars are able to produce the wonderful gas mileage you are talking about is that they have less stringent safety standards. Stop pretending you understand the issues and admit that the only way to get high mileage cars is to kill more people.
I would like you to show me where more people per capita are dying in say United Kingdom and Germany from automobile accidents. Oh! Wait, you can't.
They might have different safety standards, but they aren't killing more people.
That would be because a smaller percentage of people in those countries drive, not because the cars are safer. This chart gives you a better idea of the differences in auto safety standards.
Country Killed per 1 Billion Veh·km (Motorways in 2003) Killed per 1 Billion Veh·km (Non-Motorways in 2003) Motorway AADT Road Travel by Motorway km/h (mph) Motorway 2003 Speed LimitAustria 5.9 13.4 30,077 23% 130 (80)Czech Republic 9.9 34.3 25,714 11% 130 (80)Denmark 3.0 11.9 29,454 25% 110 (70)Finland 1.4 8.3 22,780 10% 120 (75)France 4.0 12.8 31,979 21% 130 (80)Germany 3.8 12.4 48,710 31% none
(130 (80) advisory)Ireland 7.4 11.0 26,730 4% 120 (75)Italy 13.0 Unknown Unknown Unknown 130 (80)Japan 4.0 11.9 26,152 9% 100 (60)Netherlands 2.1 11.7 66,734 41% 120 (75)Slovenia 8.1 18.7 15,643 19% 130 (80)Spain 62.3 Unknown Unknown Unknown 120 (75)Sweden 2.5 9.9 24,183 21% 110 (70)Switzerland 2.8 11.8 43,641 33% 120 (75)United Kingdom 2.0 9.3 85,536 23% 110 (70)United States 5.2 10.7 39,634 24% 120 (75)
Road traffic safety - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Note that, once you get off the autobahn, Germany actually has a higher fatality rate per mile than the US.
Are you serious?
I don't think you know what you are talking about.
What part do you think I don't know what I am talking about? The safety standards? Europe does not require the same side impact testing, rear impact testing, and they only require the full on frontal impact testing, not the newer 25% frontal standards we have in the US. Additionally, they do not require cars to protect people who do not where seat belts, have lower roll over standards, and have different rules for the placement, and protection, of crash test dummies. The US just started testing using dummies that are specifically designed to simulate the average adult female in the driver seat. All of this adds weight to the car, and thus reduces gas mileage.
This site is uglier than fuck, but it shows the differences.
Everything Crash - Crash Testing Safety Standards for Europe & the USA
I am talking about your last statement.
You know the part about killing more people. Show me where more people are killed in automobile accidents in Germany in the United Kingdom where they have different safety standards.
I will give you a clue you can't. They actually have less deaths per capita.
And you might want to look into the safety records of BMW and VW.
I would like you to show me where more people per capita are dying in say United Kingdom and Germany from automobile accidents. Oh! Wait, you can't.
They might have different safety standards, but they aren't killing more people.
That would be because a smaller percentage of people in those countries drive, not because the cars are safer. This chart gives you a better idea of the differences in auto safety standards.
Road traffic safety - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaCountry Killed per 1 Billion Veh·km (Motorways in 2003) Killed per 1 Billion Veh·km (Non-Motorways in 2003) Motorway AADT Road Travel by Motorway km/h (mph) Motorway 2003 Speed LimitAustria 5.9 13.4 30,077 23% 130 (80)Czech Republic 9.9 34.3 25,714 11% 130 (80)Denmark 3.0 11.9 29,454 25% 110 (70)Finland 1.4 8.3 22,780 10% 120 (75)France 4.0 12.8 31,979 21% 130 (80)Germany 3.8 12.4 48,710 31% none
(130 (80) advisory)Ireland 7.4 11.0 26,730 4% 120 (75)Italy 13.0 Unknown Unknown Unknown 130 (80)Japan 4.0 11.9 26,152 9% 100 (60)Netherlands 2.1 11.7 66,734 41% 120 (75)Slovenia 8.1 18.7 15,643 19% 130 (80)Spain 62.3 Unknown Unknown Unknown 120 (75)Sweden 2.5 9.9 24,183 21% 110 (70)Switzerland 2.8 11.8 43,641 33% 120 (75)United Kingdom 2.0 9.3 85,536 23% 110 (70)United States 5.2 10.7 39,634 24% 120 (75)
Note that, once you get off the autobahn, Germany actually has a higher fatality rate per mile than the US.
Yeah, that's it. Lol
Have you seen what traffic is like in Europe?
Oh! You crack me up.
Its like stating few people drive in New York City, but neglecting to mention how bad traffic congestion can be.
That would be because a smaller percentage of people in those countries drive, not because the cars are safer. This chart gives you a better idea of the differences in auto safety standards.
Road traffic safety - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Note that, once you get off the autobahn, Germany actually has a higher fatality rate per mile than the US.
Yeah, that's it. Lol
Have you seen what traffic is like in Europe?
Oh! You crack me up.
Its like stating few people drive in New York City, but neglecting to mention how bad traffic congestion can be.
You thought I couldn't prove I knew what I am talking about, and when I did you blame it on the way they drive? Tell me something, why is the fatality rate on the autobahn so much lower than on US highways? Is it because they all suddenly drive better, or is it because no one with a small car gets on that road?
There is exactly one car on sale in the US that meets the 58 MPG standard. The reason European cars are able to produce the wonderful gas mileage you are talking about is that they have less stringent safety standards. Stop pretending you understand the issues and admit that the only way to get high mileage cars is to kill more people.
Are you serious?
I don't think you know what you are talking about.
What part do you think I don't know what I am talking about? The safety standards? Europe does not require the same side impact testing, rear impact testing, and they only require the full on frontal impact testing, not the newer 25% frontal standards we have in the US. Additionally, they do not require cars to protect people who do not where seat belts, have lower roll over standards, and have different rules for the placement, and protection, of crash test dummies. The US just started testing using dummies that are specifically designed to simulate the average adult female in the driver seat. All of this adds weight to the car, and thus reduces gas mileage.
This site is uglier than fuck, but it shows the differences.
Everything Crash - Crash Testing Safety Standards for Europe & the USA
Yeah, that's it. Lol
Have you seen what traffic is like in Europe?
Oh! You crack me up.
Its like stating few people drive in New York City, but neglecting to mention how bad traffic congestion can be.
You thought I couldn't prove I knew what I am talking about, and when I did you blame it on the way they drive? Tell me something, why is the fatality rate on the autobahn so much lower than on US highways? Is it because they all suddenly drive better, or is it because no one with a small car gets on that road?
It actually has nothing to do with that, but you can go with that If you want. It has more to do with limited access, high safety rating for German vehicles.
Look up the difference in safety ratings for the autobahn and motoways.
Are you serious?
I don't think you know what you are talking about.
What part do you think I don't know what I am talking about? The safety standards? Europe does not require the same side impact testing, rear impact testing, and they only require the full on frontal impact testing, not the newer 25% frontal standards we have in the US. Additionally, they do not require cars to protect people who do not where seat belts, have lower roll over standards, and have different rules for the placement, and protection, of crash test dummies. The US just started testing using dummies that are specifically designed to simulate the average adult female in the driver seat. All of this adds weight to the car, and thus reduces gas mileage.
This site is uglier than fuck, but it shows the differences.
Everything Crash - Crash Testing Safety Standards for Europe & the USA
So you think that by 2025 these U.S. testing standards will be waived in order to accomodate higher mileage vehicles?
Not likely to happen.
These higher CAFE numbers are merely a piece on Obama's chess board. Move away from hydrocarbons.
Why is it that foreign cars made for the US lead the way in gas mileage?
Why is it that foreign cars made for the US lead the way in gas mileage?
Because they don't.
Why is it that foreign cars made for the US lead the way in gas mileage?
Because they don't.
They don't? That is news to me, and anyone who knows what they are talking about.
Companies like BMW, VW, Toyota, and Honda have always led the way in gas mileage.
Because they don't.
They don't? That is news to me, and anyone who knows what they are talking about.
Companies like BMW, VW, Toyota, and Honda have always led the way in gas mileage.
BMW does not build cars that get good gas mileage. The highest rated gas mileage car in the world is built in the US.
Because they don't.
They don't? That is news to me, and anyone who knows what they are talking about.
Companies like BMW, VW, Toyota, and Honda have always led the way in gas mileage.
BMW does not build cars that get good gas mileage. The highest rated gas mileage car in the world is built in the US.
What part do you think I don't know what I am talking about? The safety standards? Europe does not require the same side impact testing, rear impact testing, and they only require the full on frontal impact testing, not the newer 25% frontal standards we have in the US. Additionally, they do not require cars to protect people who do not where seat belts, have lower roll over standards, and have different rules for the placement, and protection, of crash test dummies. The US just started testing using dummies that are specifically designed to simulate the average adult female in the driver seat. All of this adds weight to the car, and thus reduces gas mileage.
This site is uglier than fuck, but it shows the differences.
Everything Crash - Crash Testing Safety Standards for Europe & the USA
So you think that by 2025 these U.S. testing standards will be waived in order to accomodate higher mileage vehicles?
Not likely to happen.
These higher CAFE numbers are merely a piece on Obama's chess board. Move away from hydrocarbons.
Remember the 5 mph bumper that used to be required on all cars sold in the US? I do. I won't tell you I told you so when they loosen the safety standards, but you will remember how you tried to argue they wouldn't change.
I get to say I told you so in a few
They don't? That is news to me, and anyone who knows what they are talking about.
Companies like BMW, VW, Toyota, and Honda have always led the way in gas mileage.
BMW does not build cars that get good gas mileage. The highest rated gas mileage car in the world is built in the US.
So? More foreign cars are made with higher gas mileage.
They don't? That is news to me, and anyone who knows what they are talking about.
Companies like BMW, VW, Toyota, and Honda have always led the way in gas mileage.
BMW does not build cars that get good gas mileage. The highest rated gas mileage car in the world is built in the US.
And BMW doesn't make cars that get good gas mileage?
Well there is another thing you don't know what you are talking about. Lol
You might want to check into the new Eco friendly BMW. You might learn a few things.
BMW does not build cars that get good gas mileage. The highest rated gas mileage car in the world is built in the US.
And BMW doesn't make cars that get good gas mileage?
Well there is another thing you don't know what you are talking about. Lol
You might want to check into the new Eco friendly BMW. You might learn a few things.
24 city and 34 highway is only good if you compare it to their regular cars. It isn't even close to the current CAFE standards, never mind the projected ones.
