Obama blames politics for delay on immigration

[KMAN]

Is he EVER going to take responsibility...FOR ANYTHING????

Well, of course he will take responsibility for anything that goes well... Everything that goes wrong is the fault of Republicans and everything that goes right is because the Messiah did it....Sheeze... This is getting old.

He's been President for 1.5 years, has control of the house and Senate, and still can't anything done... He had to buy off votes in his own party to get health care done... He is an embarrassment.


Obama blames politics for delay on immigration - Yahoo! News

 

[RDD_1210]

Remind me the last time Republicans took the blame for anything they did wrong? It's a two way street. Please don't pretend like republicans are perfect.

Your right, it is getting old.

 

[Annie]

Take a look at Bush's approval ratings. In 2006, not much different until the middle, when immigration reform started, pushed by Bush/McCain. Notice from that point on...

Timeline: Bush's Eight Years in Office | washingtonpost.com

Here's a bit of the timeline on that attempt:

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007, or, in its full name, the Secure Borders, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Reform Act of 2007 (S. 1348) was a bill discussed in the 110th United States Congress that would have provided legal status and a path to citizenship for the approximately 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants currently residing in the United States. The bill was portrayed as a compromise between providing a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants and increased border enforcement: it included funding for 300 miles (480 km) of vehicle barriers, 105 camera and radar towers, and 20,000 more Border Patrol agents, while simultaneously restructuring visa criteria around high-skilled workers. The bill also received heated criticism from both sides of the immigration debate. The bill was introduced in the United States Senate on May 9, 2007, but was never voted on, though a series of votes on amendments and cloture took place. The last vote on cloture, on June 7, 2007, 11:59 AM, failed 34-61 effectively ending the bill's chances. A related bill S. 1639, on June 28, 2007, 11:04 AM, also failed 46-53.

...

The bill's sole sponsor in the Senate was Majority Leader Harry Reid, though it was crafted in large part as a result of efforts by Senators Kennedy, McCain and Kyl, along with Senator Lindsey Graham, and input from President George W. Bush, who strongly supported the bill. For that reason it was referred to in the press by various combinations of these five men's names, most commonly "Kennedy-Kyl". A larger group of senators was involved in creating the bill, sometimes referred to as the 'Gang of 12'.[1] This group included, in addition to the aforementioned senators, Senators Dianne Feinstein, Mel Martinez, Ken Salazar and Arlen Specter. Senators Jim DeMint, Jeff Sessions, and David Vitter led the opposition to the bill.[2][3]

At the same time, the Security Through Regularized Immigration and a Vibrant Economy Act of 2007 was being considered in the United States House of Representatives, although to considerably less public attention.

On June 7, three Senate votes on cloture (a move to end discussion) for the bill failed with the first losing 33-63, the second losing 34-61 and the third losing 45-50.[4] This had been thought by some observers to signal the end of the bill's chances, since on that day, after the first failing vote, Harry Reid had told reporters that, if another vote on cloture failed, "the bill's over with. The bill's gone."[5]

However, at the urging of President Bush, the bill was brought back for discussion in the Senate as bill S. 1639 on June 25.[6] On June 26, a motion to proceed passed the Senate, by a margin of 64-35 (under Senate rules it needed 60 votes).[7] A number of amendments to the bill were considered and rejected. On June 28, the bill failed to get the 60 votes necessary to end debate. The final cloture vote lost 46-53.[8] This effectively ended its chances, and President Bush said he was disappointed at Congress's failure to act on the issue.[9]

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While Obama lost much of the far left support while throwing various people and issues under the bus early on; Bush lost his right of center support wholesale over the backdoor to amnesty.

 

[Yurt]

lol...i was thinking the same thing....is there anything obama takes responsibility for? all he does is blame others when things don't go his way....

 

[theHawk]

Remind me the last time Republicans took the blame for anything they did wrong? It's a two way street. Please don't pretend like republicans are perfect.

Your right, it is getting old.

Republicans rarely screw things up to take blame for. Some liberal repubs do, but its rare. Everything the libs and socialists do screws up our country, but they never own up to it.

Also, when Republicans are caught cheating or the like they are usually booted from the party in disgrace, unlike Dems who just ignore any wrong-doing by their own.

No one is saying Republicans are perfect, but when one party is right 95% of the time and the other is wrong 95% of the time, its easy to see who should take the blame for screwing things up.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Remind me the last time Republicans took the blame for anything they did wrong? It's a two way street. Please don't pretend like republicans are perfect.

Your right, it is getting old.

Republicans rarely screw things up to take blame for. Some liberal repubs do, but its rare. Everything the libs and socialists do screws up our country, but they never own up to it.

Also, when Republicans are caught cheating or the like they are usually booted from the party in disgrace, unlike Dems who just ignore any wrong-doing by their own.

No one is saying Republicans are perfect, but when one party is right 95% of the time and the other is wrong 95% of the time, its easy to see who should take the blame for screwing things up.

Hell, the Dems had a Klansman as their elder statesman! And their other hero had a male prostitution ring running out of his apartment!

 

[Jack Fate]

That BO, he's a funny guy. Everything he does is for a political purpose. He reminds me of a guy crying "THIEF" and pointing with one hand to someone else while he has his other hand in your pocket.

 

[manu1959]

he wants to make sure there is enough blame to go around on this one...funny he can get health care and financial reform passed but the gop blocks this and unemployment benifits...

 

[Flopper]

Is he EVER going to take responsibility...FOR ANYTHING????

Well, of course he will take responsibility for anything that goes well... Everything that goes wrong is the fault of Republicans and everything that goes right is because the Messiah did it....Sheeze... This is getting old.

He's been President for 1.5 years, has control of the house and Senate, and still can't anything done... He had to buy off votes in his own party to get health care done... He is an embarrassment.


Obama blames politics for delay on immigration - Yahoo! News

You may not agree with Obama but he has got some major legislation passed. The healthcare bill is the most important piece of healthcare legislation since Medicare. The financial reform bill is the most significant financial regulation since the 30's. If he gets immigration reform through, he will have done what none of his predecessors could do. The Republicans can't allow him this victory. Irregardless of what's in the immigration bill, Republicans will vote against it.

 

[ba1614]

Is he EVER going to take responsibility...FOR ANYTHING????

Well, of course he will take responsibility for anything that goes well... Everything that goes wrong is the fault of Republicans and everything that goes right is because the Messiah did it....Sheeze... This is getting old.

He's been President for 1.5 years, has control of the house and Senate, and still can't anything done... He had to buy off votes in his own party to get health care done... He is an embarrassment.


Obama blames politics for delay on immigration - Yahoo! News

You may not agree with Obama but he has got some major legislation passed. The healthcare bill is the most important piece of healthcare legislation since Medicare. The financial reform bill is the most significant financial regulation since the 30's. If he gets immigration reform through, he will have done what none of his predecessors could do. The Republicans can't allow him this victory. Irregardless of what's in the immigration bill, Republicans will vote against it.

Just because he's got legislation through doesn't mean it's good legislation.

 

[Flopper]

Take a look at Bush's approval ratings. In 2006, not much different until the middle, when immigration reform started, pushed by Bush/McCain. Notice from that point on...

Timeline: Bush's Eight Years in Office | washingtonpost.com

Here's a bit of the timeline on that attempt:

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007, or, in its full name, the Secure Borders, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Reform Act of 2007 (S. 1348) was a bill discussed in the 110th United States Congress that would have provided legal status and a path to citizenship for the approximately 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants currently residing in the United States. The bill was portrayed as a compromise between providing a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants and increased border enforcement: it included funding for 300 miles (480 km) of vehicle barriers, 105 camera and radar towers, and 20,000 more Border Patrol agents, while simultaneously restructuring visa criteria around high-skilled workers. The bill also received heated criticism from both sides of the immigration debate. The bill was introduced in the United States Senate on May 9, 2007, but was never voted on, though a series of votes on amendments and cloture took place. The last vote on cloture, on June 7, 2007, 11:59 AM, failed 34-61 effectively ending the bill's chances. A related bill S. 1639, on June 28, 2007, 11:04 AM, also failed 46-53.

...

The bill's sole sponsor in the Senate was Majority Leader Harry Reid, though it was crafted in large part as a result of efforts by Senators Kennedy, McCain and Kyl, along with Senator Lindsey Graham, and input from President George W. Bush, who strongly supported the bill. For that reason it was referred to in the press by various combinations of these five men's names, most commonly "Kennedy-Kyl". A larger group of senators was involved in creating the bill, sometimes referred to as the 'Gang of 12'.[1] This group included, in addition to the aforementioned senators, Senators Dianne Feinstein, Mel Martinez, Ken Salazar and Arlen Specter. Senators Jim DeMint, Jeff Sessions, and David Vitter led the opposition to the bill.[2][3]

At the same time, the Security Through Regularized Immigration and a Vibrant Economy Act of 2007 was being considered in the United States House of Representatives, although to considerably less public attention.

On June 7, three Senate votes on cloture (a move to end discussion) for the bill failed with the first losing 33-63, the second losing 34-61 and the third losing 45-50.[4] This had been thought by some observers to signal the end of the bill's chances, since on that day, after the first failing vote, Harry Reid had told reporters that, if another vote on cloture failed, "the bill's over with. The bill's gone."[5]

However, at the urging of President Bush, the bill was brought back for discussion in the Senate as bill S. 1639 on June 25.[6] On June 26, a motion to proceed passed the Senate, by a margin of 64-35 (under Senate rules it needed 60 votes).[7] A number of amendments to the bill were considered and rejected. On June 28, the bill failed to get the 60 votes necessary to end debate. The final cloture vote lost 46-53.[8] This effectively ended its chances, and President Bush said he was disappointed at Congress's failure to act on the issue.[9]

...

While Obama lost much of the far left support while throwing various people and issues under the bus early on; Bush lost his right of center support wholesale over the backdoor to amnesty.

Bush lost his credibility with the American people because of the war. The Immigration bill did little to lower his approval ratings. His rating were headed for the toilet with or without the immigration bill.

 

[RDD_1210]

Is he EVER going to take responsibility...FOR ANYTHING????

Well, of course he will take responsibility for anything that goes well... Everything that goes wrong is the fault of Republicans and everything that goes right is because the Messiah did it....Sheeze... This is getting old.

He's been President for 1.5 years, has control of the house and Senate, and still can't anything done... He had to buy off votes in his own party to get health care done... He is an embarrassment.


Obama blames politics for delay on immigration - Yahoo! News

You may not agree with Obama but he has got some major legislation passed. The healthcare bill is the most important piece of healthcare legislation since Medicare. The financial reform bill is the most significant financial regulation since the 30's. If he gets immigration reform through, he will have done what none of his predecessors could do. The Republicans can't allow him this victory. Irregardless of what's in the immigration bill, Republicans will vote against it.

Just because he's got legislation through doesn't mean it's good legislation.

Just because you may feel it doesn't directly benefit you, doesn't mean it's not good for the country.

 

[RDD_1210]

Remind me the last time Republicans took the blame for anything they did wrong? It's a two way street. Please don't pretend like republicans are perfect.

Your right, it is getting old.

Republicans rarely screw things up to take blame for. Some liberal repubs do, but its rare. Everything the libs and socialists do screws up our country, but they never own up to it.

How do you expect to be taken serious when you make comments like that? Obviously you are not open minded in the least bit.

 

[WillowTree]

obie wan is an asswipe and not cut out for the job. He needs to go golfing or something.

 

[RDD_1210]

obie wan is an asswipe and not cut out for the job. He needs to go golfing or something.

Yeah, we've heard you the 10000x times you posted this. But it follows your usual posting format. Insults, lack of rational thought and no value added to the thread. Thanks for your deep insight though.

 

[drsmith1072]

Remind me the last time Republicans took the blame for anything they did wrong? It's a two way street. Please don't pretend like republicans are perfect.

Your right, it is getting old.

Republicans rarely screw things up to take blame for. Some liberal repubs do, but its rare. Everything the libs and socialists do screws up our country, but they never own up to it.

Also, when Republicans are caught cheating or the like they are usually booted from the party in disgrace, unlike Dems who just ignore any wrong-doing by their own.

No one is saying Republicans are perfect, but when one party is right 95% of the time and the other is wrong 95% of the time, its easy to see who should take the blame for screwing things up.

booted from the party?? what a load of crap.

Scooter libby, still there and still defended for doing what republicans once called high crimes.

Cheney tells a congressman "go fuck yourself" on the senate floor but right wingers excuse this but let biden say something in range of a mic and watch the hypocrites swarm into attack mode.

so what are you talking about??

Republicans screw things up all the time and NEVER hold themselves to the same standard of personal responsibility that they hold others too.

Clinton: blamed for the first WTC attack when he was in office less than 80 days because it happened on his watch. However, the second WTC attack happens on W's watch and rightwingers blame clinton despite the fact that W had been in office for 8 months.

Clinton: blamed for years by rightwingers for the events that took place at ruby ridge and yet he was even elected yet when the events took place and HW was still in charge.

W was president for 8 years and yet according to republicans every single negative thing that happened on his watch was either clinton's fault, the dems fault or obama's fault.

you just got to love how righties ignore history and parrot their revisionist talking points.

furthermore just because your right leaning party is on the right side of the issue 95% of the time that doesn't make them correct 95% of the time. Please learn the difference. LOL

If republicans are in fact blocking and filibustering then obama is correct and you have got nothing REAL to complain about as per usual.

 

[Brubricker]

"Secure the border first" is just a slogan. I have yet to see anyone speak those words and then offer a plan for how to do it.

The Border Patrol is already the largest law enforcement agency in the nation and look where we are. To truly "secure the border" the Border Patrol would have to at least double in size, or perhaps grow even larger than that. The recruiting and training necessary to achieve that expansion would inevitably take many, many years, even under ideal circumstances. The army is not a realistic alternative when it's already fighting two wars and it's not designed for law enforcement anyway.

Viewed in that light, "secure the border first" is definitely just politics. No one anywhere is offering a plan for how we might do it quickly. Therefore, if we stick to the idea of absolutely no immigration reform before we attain border security then it automatically means that we won't be taking up the issue for many years, if not decades. It's just a sloganeering political play which is really saying you want absolutely no immigration reform at all, ever.

"Secure the border first" means leave the broken immigration system unchanged for the foreseeable future. The funny thing here is that this broken system provides INCENTIVES for immigrants to try to come here illegally. That's why we have more than 10 million of them here. If you say "secure the border first" then you want to continue a system which provides incentive for them to keep trying. You will reap what you sow. Leaving the system unchanged sows the seeds for increased illegal immigration in the future. This is what you're fighting for when you say "secure the border first."

 

[get_involved]

When talking about illegal aliens, President Obama said:
"The overwhelming majority of these men and women are simply seeking a better life for
themselves and their children."

Clearly, President Obama is either not aware that, or does not care that, there are 15 million unemployed Americans who are "simply seeking a better life for themselves and their children" by looking for a job. He must also be unaware that 8 million illegal aliens have full-time jobs,thereby keeping 8 million Americans out of work. Any amnestying of these illegal aliens would prevent millions of American families from attaining a "better life."

 

[Annie]

Take a look at Bush's approval ratings. In 2006, not much different until the middle, when immigration reform started, pushed by Bush/McCain. Notice from that point on...

Timeline: Bush's Eight Years in Office | washingtonpost.com

Here's a bit of the timeline on that attempt:

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007, or, in its full name, the Secure Borders, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Reform Act of 2007 (S. 1348) was a bill discussed in the 110th United States Congress that would have provided legal status and a path to citizenship for the approximately 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants currently residing in the United States. The bill was portrayed as a compromise between providing a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants and increased border enforcement: it included funding for 300 miles (480 km) of vehicle barriers, 105 camera and radar towers, and 20,000 more Border Patrol agents, while simultaneously restructuring visa criteria around high-skilled workers. The bill also received heated criticism from both sides of the immigration debate. The bill was introduced in the United States Senate on May 9, 2007, but was never voted on, though a series of votes on amendments and cloture took place. The last vote on cloture, on June 7, 2007, 11:59 AM, failed 34-61 effectively ending the bill's chances. A related bill S. 1639, on June 28, 2007, 11:04 AM, also failed 46-53.

...

The bill's sole sponsor in the Senate was Majority Leader Harry Reid, though it was crafted in large part as a result of efforts by Senators Kennedy, McCain and Kyl, along with Senator Lindsey Graham, and input from President George W. Bush, who strongly supported the bill. For that reason it was referred to in the press by various combinations of these five men's names, most commonly "Kennedy-Kyl". A larger group of senators was involved in creating the bill, sometimes referred to as the 'Gang of 12'.[1] This group included, in addition to the aforementioned senators, Senators Dianne Feinstein, Mel Martinez, Ken Salazar and Arlen Specter. Senators Jim DeMint, Jeff Sessions, and David Vitter led the opposition to the bill.[2][3]

At the same time, the Security Through Regularized Immigration and a Vibrant Economy Act of 2007 was being considered in the United States House of Representatives, although to considerably less public attention.

On June 7, three Senate votes on cloture (a move to end discussion) for the bill failed with the first losing 33-63, the second losing 34-61 and the third losing 45-50.[4] This had been thought by some observers to signal the end of the bill's chances, since on that day, after the first failing vote, Harry Reid had told reporters that, if another vote on cloture failed, "the bill's over with. The bill's gone."[5]

However, at the urging of President Bush, the bill was brought back for discussion in the Senate as bill S. 1639 on June 25.[6] On June 26, a motion to proceed passed the Senate, by a margin of 64-35 (under Senate rules it needed 60 votes).[7] A number of amendments to the bill were considered and rejected. On June 28, the bill failed to get the 60 votes necessary to end debate. The final cloture vote lost 46-53.[8] This effectively ended its chances, and President Bush said he was disappointed at Congress's failure to act on the issue.[9]

...

While Obama lost much of the far left support while throwing various people and issues under the bus early on; Bush lost his right of center support wholesale over the backdoor to amnesty.

Bush lost his credibility with the American people because of the war. The Immigration bill did little to lower his approval ratings. His rating were headed for the toilet with or without the immigration bill.

Have your kid show you how to read charts. Iraq brought him to the lower 40's, then amnesty got him to the 30's. He was not forgiven, then the bailout-hello 20's.

 

[Brubricker]

Clearly, President Obama is either not aware that, or does not care that, there are 15 million unemployed Americans who are "simply seeking a better life for themselves and their children" by looking for a job. He must also be unaware that 8 million illegal aliens have full-time jobs,thereby keeping 8 million Americans out of work. Any amnestying of these illegal aliens would prevent millions of American families from attaining a "better life."

The politics of the issue play out the exact same way regardless of unemployment. When Bush tried to reform immigration we had one of the lowest unemployment rates in our history. We could have zero unemployment and people would still get up in arms about illegals in the exact same way. The fact that they are illegal is the one and only thing that drives this as a political issue.