O la la! Could It Be? Will Fox Fire Glenn Beck?

[MaggieMae]

Beck is just flat out wrong.

But it's hard to see Fox jettisoning one of it's most popular hosts.

What part is he wrong about?

It's easy to say he's wrong or he's crazy. But none of you even try to attempt to back it up.

I have.

 

[MaggieMae]

No, the Current channel doesn't do a lot of global warming stuff. In fact, I've NEVER seen a global warming documentary on that channel. Have seen plenty on the History Channel, though. Hate that one too that you probably never get to see?

I'll take your word for it......

As far as History Channel.... I stopped watching alot of their "documentaries" due the "climate change" agenda. It used to be my favorite channel though. Now its more of a joke. Although I do like the Pawn Stars and what not. Good stuff.....

You never did address what I had highlighted though.


BTW... Good discussion though Maggie.

Thanks

About Beck getting fired? If Fox likes him, they'll keep him. If not, he'll go somewhere else just as Keith Olbermann will. I have no inside information on him, though, if that was your question.

And thanks for being civil, even though I've tended not to be. I'll remember that.

 

[The Infidel]

About Beck getting fired? If Fox likes him, they'll keep him. If not, he'll go somewhere else just as Keith Olbermann will. I have no inside information on him, though, if that was your question.

And thanks for being civil, even though I've tended not to be. I'll remember that.

You too...

Have a good one

 

[Toro]

Beck is just flat out wrong.

But it's hard to see Fox jettisoning one of it's most popular hosts.

What part is he wrong about?

It's easy to say he's wrong or he's crazy. But none of you even try to attempt to back it up.

He's wrong about this being about radical Islamists wanting to take over Egypt, though they may out of the chaos. This has been sparked by rising food prices, high unemployment and an oppressive and corrupt government doing nothing about it. It is the same reason why Tunisians overthrew their own government.

BBC News - Analysis: Egypt's unfinished revolution

Fresh Air from WHYY : NPR

 

[saveliberty]

To think that factions within Egypt will not use events to get a foothold or expand their position is naive. Perhaps seeing the basic point Beck makes as valid and discounting his extremism will benefit you.

 

[Queen]

When Glenn Beck rants about the caliphate taking over the Middle East from Morocco to the Philippines, and lists (invents?) the connections between caliphate-promoters and the American left, he brings to mind no one so much as Robert Welch and the John Birch Society. He's marginalizing himself, just as his predecessors did back in the early 1960s.

Bill Kristol: Glenn Beck Is 'Marginalizing Himself' With Egypt 'Hysteria' | TPM LiveWire

 

[JakeStarkey]

Kristol, for whom I don't care, is correct about Beck,who indeed is marginalizing himself.

 

[elvis]

two loons squaring off. gotta love it.

 

[American Horse]

He's wrong about this being about radical Islamists wanting to take over Egypt, though they may out of the chaos. This has been sparked by rising food prices, high unemployment and an oppressive and corrupt government doing nothing about it. It is the same reason why Tunisians overthrew their own government.

BBC News - Analysis: Egypt's unfinished revolution

Fresh Air from WHYY : NPR

He has said they were waiting, watching, wanting chaos in their region. That he did not anticipate that the chaos would arise from the financial crisis resulting in unemployment and food shortages seems to miss the point.

He is also now asking the question - loudly - why are those we are told we should depend on for our information not fully reporting the situation, particularly when the goals of the best organized fomenters of revolution are clearly stated in their own words:

From my earlier post, Beck quoting the Iquan (AKA The Brotherhood) quote:

BECK: But you decide: Their stated goal in the US, may I... [he shows a copy of an original IQUAN document on screen and reads from its text]

The “IQUAN” which means the “Brotherhood” in Arabic...[he reads] “The Iquan [The Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is kind of a grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western Civilization from within, and sabotaging its miserable house, by their hands and the hands of believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions”
(Beck again) I don’t know... I.. I’d love to go with David Gregory but I think, I think after we saw the towers first come down, we might... want... to... have... a... few... more... facts... Maybe that’s just me... "

He, Beck is saying we, the people, need more accurate information. It appears that folks like David Gregory, could (but don't) give us a more reasoned and rational accounting of events when he dismisses the Brotherhood as in this transcript from Meet the Press: vis-à-vis the upheaval in Egypt and the one Beck was referring to above:

Gregory: " The Muslim Brotherhood, they would play a role, uh...it is pointed out by, uh... one of the experts on the panel that they will also be, uh... aware of their position internationally so they don’t want to overstep that, they don’t want to turn it (Egypt) into an Islamist state, they have matured politically in that sense and are rather sophisticated...”
[Beck again] “ yeah...?? since when? Shouldn't we take them at their word? ”



How many political/historical figures in the past stated their goals just as plainly, that we ignored at the time, and with disastrous results?

Don't revolutionary groups wait in the wings for instability and chaos, from whatever cause, (among those the primary cause you mentioned Toro) to move in and grab power before others which are more representative can get their own movement started; particularly when the former are well organized, and the latter aren’t?

Beck is asking the question: Why can’t we rely on our most trusted news sources to fully report recent history and events, when we have their own words in front of us?

Beck didn't ask this but I will: isn't he, Gregory, (among others) taking his cue from the president? And didn't the president remain silent during the green uprising when it took place in Iran? We know now and knew then that one actually was a democratic movement. Now the administration speaks up (in many uncertain voices) calling for immediate and irreversible change, in Egypt. Absolutely change is necessary, but without order and stability those already poised or in position will seize power. History repeatedly has told us that.



How would David Gregory have reported that situation in Iran had Bush been president at the time? It went on for weeks, until it died a still-birth. But I get it; Gregory doesn’t want to undercut the administration’s putative policy re: democratic change in Egypt. I'll give the administration the same benefit of the doubt that Beck did: Are they up to the task on this? Or are they just being pressed into some kind off action because of their failure in Iran's crisis?

I don’t claim to be a foreign policy specialist, but shouldn’t we expect better more consistent handling of unstable forces in such a critical part of the world from our leaders; and more comprehensive reporting from our most respected news sources?

I wonder that the administration doesn't call for a temporary caretaker government to allow for a stable transition. Would some announcement with pressure like that be so complicated? And if the've done that already shouldn't they say so?
That would quiet Beck on this situation I believe.

Thank heavens there is one strong and respected institution for democracy in Egypt; the military with its officer corps trained and educated in the US, and the enlisted body from the broader population.

 

[MaggieMae]

To think that factions within Egypt will not use events to get a foothold or expand their position is naive. Perhaps seeing the basic point Beck makes as valid and discounting his extremism will benefit you.

There's no doubt the radical movement(s) will try, but it's doubtful they'll succeed. I saw just a flash of some poll taking amid the protesters concerning their support (or not) of the Muslim Brotherhood, and it was in the single digits. I'll try to find it. Frankly, I don't think the people want ANY form of leadership that's going to try to coerce them into a one-size-fits-all government, and that includes one that would impose Sharia law.

 

[MaggieMae]

He's wrong about this being about radical Islamists wanting to take over Egypt, though they may out of the chaos. This has been sparked by rising food prices, high unemployment and an oppressive and corrupt government doing nothing about it. It is the same reason why Tunisians overthrew their own government.

BBC News - Analysis: Egypt's unfinished revolution

Fresh Air from WHYY : NPR

He has said they were waiting, watching, wanting chaos in their region. That he did not anticipate that the chaos would arise from the financial crisis resulting in unemployment and food shortages seems to miss the point.

He is also now asking the question - loudly - why are those we are told we should depend on for our information not fully reporting the situation, particularly when the goals of the best organized fomenters of revolution are clearly stated in their own words:

From my earlier post, Beck quoting the Iquan (AKA The Brotherhood) quote:

BECK: But you decide: Their stated goal in the US, may I... [he shows a copy of an original IQUAN document on screen and reads from its text]

The “IQUAN” which means the “Brotherhood” in Arabic...[he reads] “The Iquan [The Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is kind of a grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western Civilization from within, and sabotaging its miserable house, by their hands and the hands of believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions”
(Beck again) I don’t know... I.. I’d love to go with David Gregory but I think, I think after we saw the towers first come down, we might... want... to... have... a... few... more... facts... Maybe that’s just me... "

He, Beck is saying we, the people, need more accurate information. It appears that folks like David Gregory, could (but don't) give us a more reasoned and rational accounting of events when he dismisses the Brotherhood as in this transcript from Meet the Press: vis-à-vis the upheaval in Egypt and the one Beck was referring to above:

Gregory: " The Muslim Brotherhood, they would play a role, uh...it is pointed out by, uh... one of the experts on the panel that they will also be, uh... aware of their position internationally so they don’t want to overstep that, they don’t want to turn it (Egypt) into an Islamist state, they have matured politically in that sense and are rather sophisticated...”
[Beck again] “ yeah...?? since when? Shouldn't we take them at their word? ”



How many political/historical figures in the past stated their goals just as plainly, that we ignored at the time, and with disastrous results?

Don't revolutionary groups wait in the wings for instability and chaos, from whatever cause, (among those the primary cause you mentioned Toro) to move in and grab power before others which are more representative can get their own movement started; particularly when the former are well organized, and the latter aren’t?

Beck is asking the question: Why can’t we rely on our most trusted news sources to fully report recent history and events, when we have their own words in front of us?

Beck didn't ask this but I will: isn't he, Gregory, (among others) taking his cue from the president? And didn't the president remain silent during the green uprising when it took place in Iran? We know now and knew then that one actually was a democratic movement. Now the administration speaks up (in many uncertain voices) calling for immediate and irreversible change, in Egypt. Absolutely change is necessary, but without order and stability those already poised or in position will seize power. History repeatedly has told us that.



How would David Gregory have reported that situation in Iran had Bush been president at the time? It went on for weeks, until it died a still-birth. But I get it; Gregory doesn’t want to undercut the administration’s putative policy re: democratic change in Egypt. I'll give the administration the same benefit of the doubt that Beck did: Are they up to the task on this? Or are they just being pressed into some kind off action because of their failure in Iran's crisis?

I don’t claim to be a foreign policy specialist, but shouldn’t we expect better more consistent handling of unstable forces in such a critical part of the world from our leaders; and more comprehensive reporting from our most respected news sources?

I wonder that the administration doesn't call for a temporary caretaker government to allow for a stable transition. Would some announcement with pressure like that be so complicated? And if the've done that already shouldn't they say so?
That would quiet Beck on this situation I believe.

Thank heavens there is one strong and respected institution for democracy in Egypt; the military with its officer corps trained and educated in the US, and the enlisted body from the broader population.

Bin Laden also threatened that the 911 attacks were just the beginning. How successful has he been? I have no doubt that the apparatus within our own government is, and has been, on top of the continuing threat level. But why should they publicly reveal why, when, how and also tip the hand of the enemies if they did? Just because Glenn Beck isn't privy to highly classified operations doesn't mean the threat level is being ignored.

 

[Toro]

I don’t claim to be a foreign policy specialist, but shouldn’t we expect better more consistent handling of unstable forces in such a critical part of the world from our leaders; and more comprehensive reporting from our most respected news sources?

I'd say two things. First, the President is probably getting a different picture from the intelligence community than he is from the mainstream press. Why do I think that? Because intelligence services such as Stratfor are giving differing pictures than what you are seeing in the mainstream press. What the government sees is usually far more comprehensive than what the press sees, and usually more accurate. And that includes guys like Beck as well as the mainstream press.

Second, the truth is that America doesn't have a great deal of influence over events in the Middle East. I think it is fair to criticize the Obama administration's approach to foreign policy to some degree, but the US can't do much to effect who is going to lead Egypt in the future

 

[The Infidel]

Ohhhh, a new Prophet.

Watch this.... He was spot on.

3:00 minutes in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8-QdrxtvPc&feature=player_embedded#at=62

The Daily Beck- Watch The Glenn Beck Show- February 10, 2011

Oh.... thats crazy talk!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Ohhhh, a new Prophet.

Watch this.... He was spot on.

3:00 minutes in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8-QdrxtvPc&feature=player_embedded#at=62

The Daily Beck- Watch The Glenn Beck Show- February 10, 2011

Oh.... thats crazy talk!

Sorry I can't rep you right now.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Ohhhh, a new Prophet.

Watch this.... He was spot on.

3:00 minutes in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8-QdrxtvPc&feature=player_embedded#at=62

The Daily Beck- Watch The Glenn Beck Show- February 10, 2011

Oh.... thats crazy talk!

The spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, the ninth most influential Muslim invokes Hitler, and says he put the Jew in their place, calls for Jihad even those who are in a wheelchair. He will shoot Allah’s enemies. Holy shit are defends of this type of Muslim insane? Have they lost their common sense just to be PC. I knew something was wrong when I saw code pink at the protest.

 

[midcan5]

Only a comic can do Beck justice, the man is so far out there one wonders only at the educational level of his followers. If America is truly this historically illiterate any nonsense will pass as truth.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Only a comic can do Beck justice, the man is so far out there one wonders only at the educational level of his followers. If America is truly this historically illiterate any nonsense will pass as truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ0mdxXw8Ac

You use a video that reference beck as a Nazi, but when I said the Muslim brotherhood religious leader invokes Hitler you still want to bash Beck? Are you a fucking moron?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Muslim Brotherhood would promote Sharia Law

 

[JakeStarkey]

Only a comic can do Beck justice, the man is so far out there one wonders only at the educational level of his followers. If America is truly this historically illiterate any nonsense will pass as truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ0mdxXw8Ac

There are Republicans, there are responsible conservatives, and then there are those who call themselves Republicans and conservatives who listen to and believe Beck.

 

[Madeline]

Only a comic can do Beck justice, the man is so far out there one wonders only at the educational level of his followers. If America is truly this historically illiterate any nonsense will pass as truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ0mdxXw8Ac

There are Republicans, there are responsible conservatives, and then there are those who call themselves Republicans and conservatives who listen to and believe Beck.