NYT Bombshell: 'SIGNIFICANTLY MORE 9/11 NEGLIGENCE THAN HAS BEEN DISCLOSED'

[grunt11b]

I was just reading this on HuffPo. Damn, this is awesome!

This is awesome??? What exactly is so awesome about failed intelligence leading to the deaths of thousands of Americans? You are a fucking loon.

You have to see it through the eyes of a leftist, the ends justify the means.

 

[Papageorgio]

Two Months Before 9/11, an Urgent Warning to Rice

More words from the person that is happy people died, why the hell would I listen to a nut job?

 

[grunt11b]

I was just reading this on HuffPo. Damn, this is awesome!

This is awesome??? What exactly is so awesome about failed intelligence leading to the deaths of thousands of Americans? You are a fucking loon.

Yeah, we need to celebrate failed intelligence, how fucking low does one have to be to be excited over the death of innocent people? Just when I thought the left couldn't get more disgusting, they get excited over people dying. What a great bunch of assholes.

They are no longer just "The left" or "Liberals".......they are the new communist party.

 

[grunt11b]

Two Months Before 9/11, an Urgent Warning to Rice

Do you not understand just how many threats where made against America "And still are today" on a daily basis? To take every single one of them and run with it this whole country would be on lock down every single day "Which is exactly what you communists want".

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Two Months Before 9/11, an Urgent Warning to Rice

Please link to where George Tenet and Cofer Black told Condolezza Rice that planes would be hijacked on Tuesday, 9/11/2001.

Please link to where they told her the planes would originate from Logan Airport, Dulles International, and Newark Airport.

Please link to where they told her the planes would be slammed into the WTC, the Pentagon, and Shanksville.

Thankies.

 

[Lakhota]

Did Bush Know?

What Bush Knew Before Sept. 11 - CBS News

What Did Bush Himself Know?

9/11: Bush Knew - BuzzFlash Perspectives

 

[Lakhota]

 

[Synthaholic]

Bush White House Deaf to 9/11 Warnings

Damn...

National Security advisors get warnings everyday about all sorts of things. If somehow we get hit despite those warnings, it doesn't mean they were ignored; it just means we had a failure at some level. In every war, we lose people. We end up killing more than they get of us, but we have casualties. We're not going to stop every single threat that comes our way, although we better try damn hard.

This is not something I am going to blame Bush for. There are just too many things we politicize, and this happens on both sides of the fence. Honest to goodness, a little cooperation from both sides could go a long way in accomplishing some of the things we need to work on instead of constantly pointing fingers at each other.

Obviously you didn't read the article.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Did Bush Know?

What Bush Knew Before Sept. 11 - CBS News

What Did Bush Himself Know?

9/11: Bush Knew - BuzzFlash Perspectives

Sorry, none of those links show where Dr. Rice and/or President Bush were told the date, time and specifics of the attacks.

Try again, and please be specific.

Thankies.

 

[Synthaholic]

Two Months Before 9/11, an Urgent Warning to Rice

Please link to where George Tenet and Cofer Black told Condolezza Rice that planes would be hijacked on Tuesday, 9/11/2001.

Please link to where they told her the planes would originate from Logan Airport, Dulles International, and Newark Airport.

Please link to where they told her the planes would be slammed into the WTC, the Pentagon, and Shanksville.

Thankies.

Condi Rice testified that there were warnings that planes were going to be hijacked, but they never imagined that people would fly them into buildings.

OK, fine. That's a reasonable statement.

So why didn't they put any airports on alert?

 

[Synthaholic]

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Two Months Before 9/11, an Urgent Warning to Rice

Please link to where George Tenet and Cofer Black told Condolezza Rice that planes would be hijacked on Tuesday, 9/11/2001.

Please link to where they told her the planes would originate from Logan Airport, Dulles International, and Newark Airport.

Please link to where they told her the planes would be slammed into the WTC, the Pentagon, and Shanksville.

Thankies.

Condi Rice testified that there were warnings that planes were going to be hijacked, but they never imagined that people would fly them into buildings.

OK, fine. That's a reasonable statement.

So why didn't they put any airports on alert?

Which airports were they supposed to put on alert?

Which days? What times? What flights?

What were the screeners at that time supposed to look for? Remember, they didn't have the TSA back then, and the rules were different.

So what was Dr. Rice supposed to do about vague terror warnings?

 

[Synthaholic]

Please link to where George Tenet and Cofer Black told Condolezza Rice that planes would be hijacked on Tuesday, 9/11/2001.

Please link to where they told her the planes would originate from Logan Airport, Dulles International, and Newark Airport.

Please link to where they told her the planes would be slammed into the WTC, the Pentagon, and Shanksville.

Thankies.

Condi Rice testified that there were warnings that planes were going to be hijacked, but they never imagined that people would fly them into buildings.

OK, fine. That's a reasonable statement.

So why didn't they put any airports on alert?

Which airports were they supposed to put on alert?

Which days? What times? What flights?

What were the screeners at that time supposed to look for? Remember, they didn't have the TSA back then, and the rules were different.

So what was Dr. Rice supposed to do about vague terror warnings?

All of them.

See, we have this Federal agency called the FAA. We also have another Federal agency called the FBI. We also have another Federal agency called the NTSB.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Condi Rice testified that there were warnings that planes were going to be hijacked, but they never imagined that people would fly them into buildings.

OK, fine. That's a reasonable statement.

So why didn't they put any airports on alert?

Which airports were they supposed to put on alert?

Which days? What times? What flights?

What were the screeners at that time supposed to look for? Remember, they didn't have the TSA back then, and the rules were different.

So what was Dr. Rice supposed to do about vague terror warnings?

All of them.

See, we have this Federal agency called the FAA. We also have another Federal agency called the FBI. We also have another Federal agency called the NTSB.

We also HAD the right to travel freely, without the current (silly IMO) restrictions and rules.

So what were the airports supposed to do differently after the warnings? Start confiscating nail clippers and sippy cups, even though there were no regulations against them? Start preventing anyone of Arab descent from boarding planes? Armed personnel on every aircraft?

What were they supposed to do without any details?

 

[Political Junky]

September 11 attacks advance-knowledge debate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Using planes as missiles

Immediately following the attacks, President George W. Bush stated that "nobody in our government at least, and I don't the think the prior government, could envisage flying air planes into buildings" and National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice claimed no-one "could have predicted that they would try to use an airplane as a missile". An Air Force general called the attack "something we had never seen before, something we had never even thought of."[1] Soon after the attacks, FBI Director Robert Mueller announced "there were no warning signs that I'm aware of that would indicate this type of operation in the country."[1]
Some mainstream media reports have conflicted with these statements, claiming that the FBI, CIA and Executive Branch[2] knew of the threat of planes being used as missiles as early as 1995, following the foiling of the Bojinka Plot. The Chicago Sun-Times reported that:
The FBI had advance indications of plans to hijack U.S. airliners and use them as weapons, but neither acted on them nor distributed the intelligence to local police agencies. From the moment of the September 11 attacks, high-ranking federal officials insisted that the terrorists’ method of operation surprised them. Many stick to that story. Actually, elements of the hijacking plan were known to the FBI as early as 1995 and, if coupled with current information, might have uncovered the plot.”

The book The Terror Timeline includes numerous articles that are often cited to suggest that the method of flying planes into buildings was known by U.S. officials:[3]
In 1994, there were three examples of failed attempts to deliberately crash planes into buildings, including one where a lone pilot crashed a small plane into the lawn of the White House.[4]
The Bojinka Plot was a foiled large-scale al Qaeda terrorist attack to blow up eleven airliners and their passengers as they flew from Asia to America, due to take place in January 1995.
The 2000 edition of the FAA’s annual report on Criminal Acts Against Aviation said that although Osama bin Laden ‘is not known to have attacked civil aviation, he has both the motivation and the wherewithal to do so,’ adding, ‘Bin Laden’s anti-Western and anti-American attitudes make him and his followers a significant threat to civil aviation, particularly to U.S. civil aviation.’”
In April 2001, NORAD ran a war game in which the Pentagon was to become incapacitated; a NORAD planner proposed the simulated crash of a hijacked foreign commercial airliner into the Pentagon but the Joints Chiefs of Staff rejected that scenario as "too unrealistic".[5]
In July 2001 at the G8 summit in Genoa, anti-aircraft missile batteries were installed following a report that terrorists would try to crash a plane to kill George Bush and other world leaders.[6]
On the morning of September 11, 2001, the National Reconnaissance Office, who are responsible for operating U.S. reconnaissance satellites, had scheduled an exercise simulating the crashing of an aircraft into their building, four miles (6 km) from Washington Dulles International Airport.[7]
A 2004 USA Today article, "NORAD had drills of jets as weapons", describes pre-9/11 NORAD drills that suggest they were prepared for such an attack as happened on 9/11:
"In the two years before the September 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conducted exercises simulating what the White House says was unimaginable at the time: hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets and cause mass casualties. One of the imagined targets was the World Trade Center. In another exercise, jets performed a mock shootdown over the Atlantic Ocean of a jet supposedly laden with chemical poisons headed toward a target in the United States. In a third scenario, the target was the Pentagon — but that drill was not run after Defense officials said it was unrealistic."[8]
That NORAD was aware of the threat of terrorists hijacking commercial airliners within the United States, and using them as guided missiles, was flatly denied by the 9/11 Commission, which asserted several times in their report that "The threat of terrorists hijacking commercial airliners within the United States -- and using them as guided missiles -- was not recognized by NORAD before 9/11."
The Joint Inquiry of 2002 confirmed that the Intelligence Community had received at least twelve reports over a seven-year period suggesting that terrorists might use planes as weapons. After briefly discussing each of them, it says that "The CIA disseminated several of these reports to the FBI and to agencies responsible for preventive actions. They included the FAA... Despite these reports, the Intelligence Community did not produce any assessments of the likelihood that terrorists would use planes as weapons, and U.S. policymakers apparently remained unaware of this kind of potential threat."[9] Former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger testified to the Joint Inquiry:
"We heard of the idea of planes as weapons, but I don't recall being presented with any specific threat information about an attack of this nature, or highlighting this threat, or indicating it was more likely than any other"[10]
The concept of airliners as weapons had been broadly[peacock term] popularized in the 1994 Tom Clancy novel Debt of Honor and the 1996 Kurt Russell movie Executive Decision, with stories in both cases having 747s used as weapons targeted against Washington, D.C.[citation needed][relevant? – discuss]
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[Synthaholic]

Which airports were they supposed to put on alert?

Which days? What times? What flights?

What were the screeners at that time supposed to look for? Remember, they didn't have the TSA back then, and the rules were different.

So what was Dr. Rice supposed to do about vague terror warnings?

All of them.

See, we have this Federal agency called the FAA. We also have another Federal agency called the FBI. We also have another Federal agency called the NTSB.

We also HAD the right to travel freely, without the current (silly IMO) restrictions and rules.

So what were the airports supposed to do differently after the warnings? Start confiscating nail clippers and sippy cups, even though there were no regulations against them? Start preventing anyone of Arab descent from boarding planes? Armed personnel on every aircraft?

What were they supposed to do without any details?

The Bushies came up with a color coded terror warning system.

Why, if they couldn't give us all the exact time frame for an attack? What were we supposed to do differently?

Answer: so that when there was a heightened concern about a possible attack, people would be more aware and alert to suspicious events and behaviours.

Are you claiming that airport security is unable to be more aware and alert to suspicious behaviour, when they are specifically trained to do so? That they couldn't give more scrutiny to ME men, with ME passports?

Last question: do you get your stupidity from California Girl, or does she get hers from you?

 

[Rat in the Hat]

All of them.

See, we have this Federal agency called the FAA. We also have another Federal agency called the FBI. We also have another Federal agency called the NTSB.

We also HAD the right to travel freely, without the current (silly IMO) restrictions and rules.

So what were the airports supposed to do differently after the warnings? Start confiscating nail clippers and sippy cups, even though there were no regulations against them? Start preventing anyone of Arab descent from boarding planes? Armed personnel on every aircraft?

What were they supposed to do without any details?

The Bushies came up with a color coded terror warning system.

Why, if they couldn't give us all the exact time frame for an attack? What were we supposed to do differently?

Answer: so that when there was a heightened concern about a possible attack, people would be more aware and alert to suspicious events and behaviours.

Are you claiming that airport security is unable to be more aware and alert to suspicious behaviour, when they are specifically trained to do so? That they couldn't give more scrutiny to ME men, with ME passports?

Last question: do you get your stupidity from California Girl, or does she get hers from you?

Airport security was not specially trained for anything before 9/11. The airports hired people to man metal detectors and screen for weapons, and that was it. There was none of the security theater we have now, taking off shoes, confiscating water bottles, patting down grandma, etc. You used to be able to go through security to meet someone coming off a flight at the gate, not anymore.

And the definition of weapons was a whole lot different then, too. Nail clippers, eyeglass screwdrivers and paper clips were not considered dangerous then. Now they are.

What was I going to do with the paper clip they took from me at Lambert Airport 4 years ago? Clip the pilot's flight plan together so he couldn't read it?

 

[Seawytch]

New NSA docs contradict 9/11 claims

Perhaps most damning are the documents showing that the CIA had bin Laden in its cross hairs a full year before 9/11 — but didn’t get the funding from the Bush administration White House to take him out or even continue monitoring him. The CIA materials directly contradict the many claims of Bush officials that it was aggressively pursuing al-Qaida prior to 9/11, and that nobody could have predicted the attacks. “I don’t think the Bush administration would want to see these released, because they paint a picture of the CIA knowing something would happen before 9/11, but they didn’t get the institutional support they needed,” says Barbara Elias-Sanborn, the NSA fellow who edited the materials.[...]

Many of the documents publicize for the first time what was first made clear in the 9/11 Commission: The White House received a truly remarkable amount of warnings that al-Qaida was trying to attack the United States. From June to September 2001, a full seven CIA Senior Intelligence Briefs detailed that attacks were imminent, an incredible amount of information from one intelligence agency. One from June called “Bin-Ladin and Associates Making Near-Term Threats” writes that “[redacted] expects Usama Bin Laden to launch multiple attacks over the coming days.” The famous August brief called “Bin Ladin Determined to Strike the US” is included. “Al-Qai’da members, including some US citizens, have resided in or travelled to the US for years, and the group apparently maintains a support structure here,” it says. During the entire month of August, President Bush was on vacation at his ranch in Texas — which tied with one of Richard Nixon’s as the longest vacation ever taken by a president. CIA Director George Tenet has said he didn’t speak to Bush once that month, describing the president as being “on leave.” Bush did not hold a Principals’ meeting on terrorism until September 4, 2001, having downgraded the meetings to a deputies’ meeting, which then-counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke has repeatedly said slowed down anti-Bin Laden efforts “enormously, by months.”​

 

[edthecynic]

So we are supposed to believe the op-Ed writer because he says so.

Two, why are we supposed to believe the CIA? Weren't they the ones that told us that Iraq had WMD's?

Three, Clinton had intelligence reports on Osama and and imminent attack. From what I have gathered, there was chatter about an attack for a few years.

However, Sunday morning QBing is pretty easy for an op-Ed writer.

"We do not have any direct evidence that Iraq has used the period since Desert Fox to reconstitute its WMD programs"
-CIA Director,George Tenet, 2/07/2001

 

[Old Rocks]

The Man Who Knew | FRONTLINE | PBS

There were warnings from the security agencies of countries all over the world that something big was going down in the US in the fall. All ignored.

Then there is the mystery of the response, and the timing of a military exercise on the same day, and did that play a part in the lack of response.

Maybe fifty years from now we will learn all that went down that horrible day. If there was a breach in our security, then it will be that long before it is allowed to be public knowledge.