NYPD data: Whites much more likely to be carrying drugs and guns than minorities

[TruthOut10]

In a detailed analysis (PDF) of publicly available New York Police Department data on crime in 2012, the New York Office of the Public Advocate revealed Wednesday that white people were much more likely to be carrying drugs and guns than minorities, despite making up a tiny fraction of individuals police subjected to so-called “stop-and-frisk” searches.

The report’s summary, first spotted by Think Progress, puts this striking divide in no unclear terms, explaining:

The likelihood a stop of an African American New Yorker yielded a weapon was half that of white New Yorkers stopped. The NYPD uncovered a weapon in one out every 49 stops of white New Yorkers. By contrast, it took the Department 71 stops of Latinos and 93 stops of African Americans to find a weapon.
The likelihood a stop of an African American New Yorker yielded contraband was one-third less than that of white New Yorkers stopped. The NYPD uncovered contraband in one out every 43 stops of white New Yorkers. By contrast, it took the Department 57 stops of Latinos and 61 stops of African Americans to find contraband.
Despite the overall reduction in stops, the proportion involving black and Latino New Yorkers has remained unchanged. They continue to constitute 84 percent of all stops, despite comprising only 54 percent of the general population. And the innocence rates remain at the same level as 2011 – at nearly 89 percent.

NYPD data: Whites much more likely to be carrying drugs and guns than minorities | The Raw Story

 

[TruthOut10]

I'm sure some will have a hard problem digesting this information just remember the source, the NYPD

 

[martybegan]

In a detailed analysis (PDF) of publicly available New York Police Department data on crime in 2012, the New York Office of the Public Advocate revealed Wednesday that white people were much more likely to be carrying drugs and guns than minorities, despite making up a tiny fraction of individuals police subjected to so-called “stop-and-frisk” searches.

The report’s summary, first spotted by Think Progress, puts this striking divide in no unclear terms, explaining:

The likelihood a stop of an African American New Yorker yielded a weapon was half that of white New Yorkers stopped. The NYPD uncovered a weapon in one out every 49 stops of white New Yorkers. By contrast, it took the Department 71 stops of Latinos and 93 stops of African Americans to find a weapon.
The likelihood a stop of an African American New Yorker yielded contraband was one-third less than that of white New Yorkers stopped. The NYPD uncovered contraband in one out every 43 stops of white New Yorkers. By contrast, it took the Department 57 stops of Latinos and 61 stops of African Americans to find contraband.
Despite the overall reduction in stops, the proportion involving black and Latino New Yorkers has remained unchanged. They continue to constitute 84 percent of all stops, despite comprising only 54 percent of the general population. And the innocence rates remain at the same level as 2011 – at nearly 89 percent.

NYPD data: Whites much more likely to be carrying drugs and guns than minorities | The Raw Story

The reason is simple. There are less stop and frisk actions in white neighborhoods. The ones that do occur tend to target those acting odd, thus increasing the chance that said person is up to no good.

Stop and frisk actions in minority neighborhoods, where the crime is greater, often cast a wider net, thus the rate of success is obviously going to be lower.

While the data uses rates, it ignores volume (overall frisks and overall sucessful frisks where drugs and/or weapons are found). If you go by overall numbers, i would gather the amount of guns/drugs found is far higher in minority/high crime neighborhoods.

 

[Stephanie]

OMG, this from ONE POLICE DEPT in the COUNTRY..and we are suppose to shit a cow over it

Hey truthout, you are looking a little trollish and leave it to raw story to show their race baiting sorry selves

 

[Lonestar_logic]

In a detailed analysis (PDF) of publicly available New York Police Department data on crime in 2012, the New York Office of the Public Advocate revealed Wednesday that white people were much more likely to be carrying drugs and guns than minorities, despite making up a tiny fraction of individuals police subjected to so-called “stop-and-frisk” searches.

The report’s summary, first spotted by Think Progress, puts this striking divide in no unclear terms, explaining:

The likelihood a stop of an African American New Yorker yielded a weapon was half that of white New Yorkers stopped. The NYPD uncovered a weapon in one out every 49 stops of white New Yorkers. By contrast, it took the Department 71 stops of Latinos and 93 stops of African Americans to find a weapon.
The likelihood a stop of an African American New Yorker yielded contraband was one-third less than that of white New Yorkers stopped. The NYPD uncovered contraband in one out every 43 stops of white New Yorkers. By contrast, it took the Department 57 stops of Latinos and 61 stops of African Americans to find contraband.
Despite the overall reduction in stops, the proportion involving black and Latino New Yorkers has remained unchanged. They continue to constitute 84 percent of all stops, despite comprising only 54 percent of the general population. And the innocence rates remain at the same level as 2011 – at nearly 89 percent.

NYPD data: Whites much more likely to be carrying drugs and guns than minorities | The Raw Story

Sounds like the "stop and frisk" searches are paying off.

 

[blastoff]

Go to the numbers that count, murder rates of blacks vs. whites.

 

[t_polkow]

OMG, this from ONE POLICE DEPT in the COUNTRY..and we are suppose to shit a cow over it

Hey truthout, you are looking a little trollish and leave it to raw story to show their race baiting sorry selves

Yea who listens to a PD with over 40,000 policemen with data to back up their findings, better to listen to some flyover country gobber PD with 10 barney fifes in it.

 

[TruthOut10]

In a detailed analysis (PDF) of publicly available New York Police Department data on crime in 2012, the New York Office of the Public Advocate revealed Wednesday that white people were much more likely to be carrying drugs and guns than minorities, despite making up a tiny fraction of individuals police subjected to so-called “stop-and-frisk” searches.

The report’s summary, first spotted by Think Progress, puts this striking divide in no unclear terms, explaining:

The likelihood a stop of an African American New Yorker yielded a weapon was half that of white New Yorkers stopped. The NYPD uncovered a weapon in one out every 49 stops of white New Yorkers. By contrast, it took the Department 71 stops of Latinos and 93 stops of African Americans to find a weapon.
The likelihood a stop of an African American New Yorker yielded contraband was one-third less than that of white New Yorkers stopped. The NYPD uncovered contraband in one out every 43 stops of white New Yorkers. By contrast, it took the Department 57 stops of Latinos and 61 stops of African Americans to find contraband.
Despite the overall reduction in stops, the proportion involving black and Latino New Yorkers has remained unchanged. They continue to constitute 84 percent of all stops, despite comprising only 54 percent of the general population. And the innocence rates remain at the same level as 2011 – at nearly 89 percent.

NYPD data: Whites much more likely to be carrying drugs and guns than minorities | The Raw Story

The reason is simple. There are less stop and frisk actions in white neighborhoods. The ones that do occur tend to target those acting odd, thus increasing the chance that said person is up to no good.

Stop and frisk actions in minority neighborhoods, where the crime is greater, often cast a wider net, thus the rate of success is obviously going to be lower.

While the data uses rates, it ignores volume (overall frisks and overall sucessful frisks where drugs and/or weapons are found). If you go by overall numbers, i would gather the amount of guns/drugs found is far higher in minority/high crime neighborhoods.

You may "think it so", but it doesn't make it so. Look for older posts on this and you will find once again by NYPD's own data it ain't so.

 

[TruthOut10]

OMG, this from ONE POLICE DEPT in the COUNTRY..and we are suppose to shit a cow over it

Hey truthout, you are looking a little trollish and leave it to raw story to show their race baiting sorry selves

I'd rather look trollish than seemingly naive such as yourself because you disapprove of the source. Because anyone with a half of brain would've Google it their damn self and realized that several different sources are confirming the story.

Truly sad part is this was your only problem with this story and looks like you're "trolling" just to pad your post count to give the impression you're knowledgeable on any given subject.

 

[editec]

I love this tune.

Maintain a low profile, citizens.

 

[martybegan]

In a detailed analysis (PDF) of publicly available New York Police Department data on crime in 2012, the New York Office of the Public Advocate revealed Wednesday that white people were much more likely to be carrying drugs and guns than minorities, despite making up a tiny fraction of individuals police subjected to so-called “stop-and-frisk” searches.

The report’s summary, first spotted by Think Progress, puts this striking divide in no unclear terms, explaining:

The likelihood a stop of an African American New Yorker yielded a weapon was half that of white New Yorkers stopped. The NYPD uncovered a weapon in one out every 49 stops of white New Yorkers. By contrast, it took the Department 71 stops of Latinos and 93 stops of African Americans to find a weapon.
The likelihood a stop of an African American New Yorker yielded contraband was one-third less than that of white New Yorkers stopped. The NYPD uncovered contraband in one out every 43 stops of white New Yorkers. By contrast, it took the Department 57 stops of Latinos and 61 stops of African Americans to find contraband.
Despite the overall reduction in stops, the proportion involving black and Latino New Yorkers has remained unchanged. They continue to constitute 84 percent of all stops, despite comprising only 54 percent of the general population. And the innocence rates remain at the same level as 2011 – at nearly 89 percent.

NYPD data: Whites much more likely to be carrying drugs and guns than minorities | The Raw Story

The reason is simple. There are less stop and frisk actions in white neighborhoods. The ones that do occur tend to target those acting odd, thus increasing the chance that said person is up to no good.

Stop and frisk actions in minority neighborhoods, where the crime is greater, often cast a wider net, thus the rate of success is obviously going to be lower.

While the data uses rates, it ignores volume (overall frisks and overall sucessful frisks where drugs and/or weapons are found). If you go by overall numbers, i would gather the amount of guns/drugs found is far higher in minority/high crime neighborhoods.

You may "think it so", but it doesn't make it so. Look for older posts on this and you will find once again by NYPD's own data it ain't so.

Its the NYPD's data, but the report is by a group critical of stop and frisk, so you have your first level of bias there.

2nd from the report itself It looks like # of stops broken down by race resulted in 56% of the frisks for blacks, 33% for latinos, and 10% for whites. "Contrabrand" (drugs) recovered was from blacks 53% of the time, latios 33% of the time, and whites 13% of the time roughly MATCHING the overall frisk breakdown. For guns based on the same frisk breakdown, the numbers is it was a black person 47% of the time, a latino 36% of the time, and a white person 16% of the time, still roughly matching the frisk ratio.

This further backs up my explanation of the numbers. The reason it took less white people being frisked to turn up a weapon is officers had less of a reason to frisk in more affluent neighborhoods, which are often white neighborhoods. The people they choose to frisk would obviously stand out in some way (twitchy) thus increasing the positive hit rate. in high crime minority neighborhoods cops probably frisk more often, leading to the lower hit rate. What remains equal is the breakdown between frisks and the recovery breakdown, both based on race.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

The reason is simple. There are less stop and frisk actions in white neighborhoods. The ones that do occur tend to target those acting odd, thus increasing the chance that said person is up to no good.

Stop and frisk actions in minority neighborhoods, where the crime is greater, often cast a wider net, thus the rate of success is obviously going to be lower.

While the data uses rates, it ignores volume (overall frisks and overall sucessful frisks where drugs and/or weapons are found). If you go by overall numbers, i would gather the amount of guns/drugs found is far higher in minority/high crime neighborhoods.

You may "think it so", but it doesn't make it so. Look for older posts on this and you will find once again by NYPD's own data it ain't so.

Its the NYPD's data, but the report is by a group critical of stop and frisk, so you have your first level of bias there.

2nd from the report itself It looks like # of stops broken down by race resulted in 56% of the frisks for blacks, 33% for latinos, and 10% for whites. "Contrabrand" (drugs) recovered was from blacks 53% of the time, latios 33% of the time, and whites 13% of the time roughly MATCHING the overall frisk breakdown. For guns based on the same frisk breakdown, the numbers is it was a black person 47% of the time, a latino 36% of the time, and a white person 16% of the time, still roughly matching the frisk ratio.

This further backs up my explanation of the numbers. The reason it took less white people being frisked to turn up a weapon is officers had less of a reason to frisk in more affluent neighborhoods, which are often white neighborhoods. The people they choose to frisk would obviously stand out in some way (twitchy) thus increasing the positive hit rate. in high crime minority neighborhoods cops probably frisk more often, leading to the lower hit rate. What remains equal is the breakdown between frisks and the recovery breakdown, both based on race.

If your numbers are accurate then it contradicts the notion that whites are much more likely to be carrying drugs or guns than minorities.

 

[martybegan]

You may "think it so", but it doesn't make it so. Look for older posts on this and you will find once again by NYPD's own data it ain't so.

Its the NYPD's data, but the report is by a group critical of stop and frisk, so you have your first level of bias there.

2nd from the report itself It looks like # of stops broken down by race resulted in 56% of the frisks for blacks, 33% for latinos, and 10% for whites. "Contrabrand" (drugs) recovered was from blacks 53% of the time, latios 33% of the time, and whites 13% of the time roughly MATCHING the overall frisk breakdown. For guns based on the same frisk breakdown, the numbers is it was a black person 47% of the time, a latino 36% of the time, and a white person 16% of the time, still roughly matching the frisk ratio.

This further backs up my explanation of the numbers. The reason it took less white people being frisked to turn up a weapon is officers had less of a reason to frisk in more affluent neighborhoods, which are often white neighborhoods. The people they choose to frisk would obviously stand out in some way (twitchy) thus increasing the positive hit rate. in high crime minority neighborhoods cops probably frisk more often, leading to the lower hit rate. What remains equal is the breakdown between frisks and the recovery breakdown, both based on race.

If your numbers are accurate then it contradicts the notion that whites are much more likely to be carrying drugs or guns than minorities.

The only thing you can infer from the data is that whites targeted for stop & frisks are more likely to be armed/carrying drugs than blacks and latinos targeted for stop & frisks. However overall the ratios between the races of people stopped/frisked and the ratios between the races of those people carrying something match up.

Its data sets like these that prove that its not the numbers, it how they are presented that matters.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

yeah...this is one of those reports that just flat out falls on it's face.
Only an idiotic idealist would believe it on face value.
Obviously there is missing context here - and "martybegan" just might have at least a part of the missing data.

 

[TruthOut10]

The reason is simple. There are less stop and frisk actions in white neighborhoods. The ones that do occur tend to target those acting odd, thus increasing the chance that said person is up to no good.

Stop and frisk actions in minority neighborhoods, where the crime is greater, often cast a wider net, thus the rate of success is obviously going to be lower.

While the data uses rates, it ignores volume (overall frisks and overall sucessful frisks where drugs and/or weapons are found). If you go by overall numbers, i would gather the amount of guns/drugs found is far higher in minority/high crime neighborhoods.

You may "think it so", but it doesn't make it so. Look for older posts on this and you will find once again by NYPD's own data it ain't so.

Its the NYPD's data, but the report is by a group critical of stop and frisk, so you have your first level of bias there.

2nd from the report itself It looks like # of stops broken down by race resulted in 56% of the frisks for blacks, 33% for latinos, and 10% for whites. "Contrabrand" (drugs) recovered was from blacks 53% of the time, latios 33% of the time, and whites 13% of the time roughly MATCHING the overall frisk breakdown. For guns based on the same frisk breakdown, the numbers is it was a black person 47% of the time, a latino 36% of the time, and a white person 16% of the time, still roughly matching the frisk ratio.

This further backs up my explanation of the numbers. The reason it took less white people being frisked to turn up a weapon is officers had less of a reason to frisk in more affluent neighborhoods, which are often white neighborhoods. The people they choose to frisk would obviously stand out in some way (twitchy) thus increasing the positive hit rate. in high crime minority neighborhoods cops probably frisk more often, leading to the lower hit rate. What remains equal is the breakdown between frisks and the recovery breakdown, both based on race.

You know you have to be careful about "assumption or assuming", because you don't want to know or acknowledge the plain truth. It's not that they didn't have reasons for stopping white people, it's because stop and frisked was designed to only be implemented in certain minority only neighborhoods across the boro.

One of the main reason this practice is in court as we speak being challenged. Stop with the assuming this and that and ignore the obvious before your eyes.

 

[Katzndogz]

The report as filtered through Think Progress.

Safely dismissed.

 

[TruthOut10]

Here is some more real truth, Staten Island has the biggest drug problem in the State of New York, with white kids leading the way, with prescription drugs.

So why isn't stop and frisk being implemented there?

Forums will focus on Staten Island's prescription drug problems | SILive.com

 

[martybegan]

You may "think it so", but it doesn't make it so. Look for older posts on this and you will find once again by NYPD's own data it ain't so.

Its the NYPD's data, but the report is by a group critical of stop and frisk, so you have your first level of bias there.

2nd from the report itself It looks like # of stops broken down by race resulted in 56% of the frisks for blacks, 33% for latinos, and 10% for whites. "Contrabrand" (drugs) recovered was from blacks 53% of the time, latios 33% of the time, and whites 13% of the time roughly MATCHING the overall frisk breakdown. For guns based on the same frisk breakdown, the numbers is it was a black person 47% of the time, a latino 36% of the time, and a white person 16% of the time, still roughly matching the frisk ratio.

This further backs up my explanation of the numbers. The reason it took less white people being frisked to turn up a weapon is officers had less of a reason to frisk in more affluent neighborhoods, which are often white neighborhoods. The people they choose to frisk would obviously stand out in some way (twitchy) thus increasing the positive hit rate. in high crime minority neighborhoods cops probably frisk more often, leading to the lower hit rate. What remains equal is the breakdown between frisks and the recovery breakdown, both based on race.

You know you have to be careful about "assumption or assuming", because you don't want to know or acknowledge the plain truth. It's not that they didn't have reasons for stopping white people, it's because stop and frisked was designed to only be implemented in certain minority only neighborhoods across the boro.

One of the main reason this practice is in court as we speak being challenged. Stop with the assuming this and that and ignore the obvious before your eyes.

Stop & Frisk is used in high crime areas, and those tend to be the minority areas of NYC.

You also are ignoring my analysis of the data, because it disagrees with your interpretation of it. Finally this is not a court of law. Suddenly referencing the rules of the court implies you know you have lost this argument, you are just too chickenshit to admit it.

 

[Godboy]

Here is some more real truth, Staten Island has the biggest drug problem in the State of New York, with white kids leading the way, with prescription drugs.

So why isn't stop and frisk being implemented there?

Forums will focus on Staten Island's prescription drug problems | SILive.com

Are those Staten Island kids shooting people and pistol whipping old women? Theres your answer.

 

[Huey]

Oh boy fairykhan is at it again,damn "g" I thought you learned,when you were on aol's RR board.But it looks like you havent.