No One Has a Right to Health Care

[beagle9]

Democrats are liken to a mother whose child goes out to play with the other children, and somehow by fault of the child he gets hurt, well instead of the child going home and dusting off his britches, getting a bandage or two, the mother organizes a huge up heaval to have the playground shut down, the kids all branded as bullies, and gets a judge to make it all happen for her. Everybody loses their freedoms, the kids have no where to play, everyone is branded bullies just so the democrat mom and her son can get vengence on her son coming home with dirt on his knees, and a small cut on his arm.... It could be why Apple doesn't want to open the phone for the government, because it doesn't trust it, because it figures that it's dealing with a government that would be the representitive of the mother, and not the representitive of the people and their freedoms instead.

 

[billyerock1991]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

apparently you didn't listen to hillary speech ... we dems, liberals, latinos, blacks orentals and native americans believe health care is a right ... good luck with the republicans getting reelected if they don't

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Democrats are liken to a mother whose child goes out to play with the other children, and somehow by fault of the child he gets hurt, well instead of the child going home and dusting off his britches, getting a bandage or two, the mother organizes a huge up heaval to have the playground shut down, the kids all branded as bullies, and gets a judge to make it all happen for her. Everybody loses their freedoms, the kids have no where to play, everyone is branded bullies just so the democrat mom and her son can get vengence on her son coming home with dirt on his knees, and a small cut on his arm....

you forgot to mention how the whole community is forced to pay for the childs new pants and reimburse mom for the time spent taking him to get those new pants.
Might as well throw in lunch for them while they are out shopping.

 

[billyerock1991]

Democrats are liken to a mother whose child goes out to play with the other children, and somehow by fault of the child he gets hurt, well instead of the child going home and dusting off his britches, getting a bandage or two, the mother organizes a huge up heaval to have the playground shut down, the kids all branded as bullies, and gets a judge to make it all happen for her. Everybody loses their freedoms, the kids have no where to play, everyone is branded bullies just so the democrat mom and her son can get vengence on her son coming home with dirt on his knees, and a small cut on his arm....

you know nothing about democrats at all ... you've bee suck the ass of republicans so long you can't even have a thought of your own ... you such swallow the shit out the backside to feed your stupidity

 

[billyerock1991]

Democrats are liken to a mother whose child goes out to play with the other children, and somehow by fault of the child he gets hurt, well instead of the child going home and dusting off his britches, getting a bandage or two, the mother organizes a huge up heaval to have the playground shut down, the kids all branded as bullies, and gets a judge to make it all happen for her. Everybody loses their freedoms, the kids have no where to play, everyone is branded bullies just so the democrat mom and her son can get vengence on her son coming home with dirt on his knees, and a small cut on his arm....

you forgot to mention how the whole community is forced to pay for the childs new pants and reimburse mom for the time spent taking him to get those new pants.
Might as well throw in lunch for them while they are out shopping.

sounds good to me can we buy our drugs on you dime too???

 

[Maryland Patriot]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

apparently you didn't listen to hillary speech ... we dems, liberals, latinos, blacks orentals and native americans believe health care is a right ... good luck with the republicans getting reelected if they don't

the question isnt if someone has the right to healthcare, the question is if others can be forced to pay for that health care.
you have the same right to purchase any product that I do.
the constitution says you have a right to pursue happiness, nowhere does it say you have a right to happiness. Same with health care.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Democrats are liken to a mother whose child goes out to play with the other children, and somehow by fault of the child he gets hurt, well instead of the child going home and dusting off his britches, getting a bandage or two, the mother organizes a huge up heaval to have the playground shut down, the kids all branded as bullies, and gets a judge to make it all happen for her. Everybody loses their freedoms, the kids have no where to play, everyone is branded bullies just so the democrat mom and her son can get vengence on her son coming home with dirt on his knees, and a small cut on his arm....

you know nothing about democrats at all ... you've bee suck the ass of republicans so long you can't even have a thought of your own ... you such swallow the shit out the backside to feed your stupidity

If republicans are so stupid and democrats are so smart, why is it that republicans are able to support themselves and democrats have to depend on handouts.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Democrats are liken to a mother whose child goes out to play with the other children, and somehow by fault of the child he gets hurt, well instead of the child going home and dusting off his britches, getting a bandage or two, the mother organizes a huge up heaval to have the playground shut down, the kids all branded as bullies, and gets a judge to make it all happen for her. Everybody loses their freedoms, the kids have no where to play, everyone is branded bullies just so the democrat mom and her son can get vengence on her son coming home with dirt on his knees, and a small cut on his arm....

you forgot to mention how the whole community is forced to pay for the childs new pants and reimburse mom for the time spent taking him to get those new pants.
Might as well throw in lunch for them while they are out shopping.

sounds good to me can we buy our drugs on you dime too???

isnt that what the democrats are already trying to do?

 

[Rustic]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

apparently you didn't listen to hillary speech ... we dems, liberals, latinos, blacks orentals and native americans believe health care is a right ... good luck with the republicans getting reelected if they don't

Speak for yourself, healthcare is not a right. Anyone with any common sense would view as such...

 

[dblack]

Apple's non-trusting of government is just another example of government's reputation being runied over the years. It is ruined for exactly doing what we are talking about here, and it is why no one wants to work with it in trust anymore. Now I agree with the canidates last night that Apple needs to get in this phone for the critical reasoning of the case. I agree as to why the canidates realize that the government in which they are trying to take over needs to be repaired of the huge damages that it has sustained over the years. We need a government we can trust, and then great things can happen again for the citizens of America, and not just for the corrupt handlers instead. The fight between Apple, the government and now Google is joining Apple in the fight says it all.

Trust in government is abysmal because Constitutional limits on its power have eroded. When government can be used to do virtually anything, letting it fall into the hands of people you disagree with is intolerable. That's why there is such a bitter partisan divide, and it's why people are so distrustful of the institution. It's a not a matter of corrupt politicians. It's a matter of corrupted limits on the power those politicians wield.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

You'd be dead wrong.

I'm pro choice and have no problem with abortion.

And apparently no problem with infants dying of correctable heart defects, as long as you don't have to watch.

As long as I don't have to pay for it.

However if you and those like you should pool your money and pay for it. After all bleeding hearts have to bleed.

Carry on.

Should you have to pay for schools?
How about police?
Why should you have to buy the Navy a new aircraft carrier?

Let those who want it pay for it

It's the role and responsibility of government to provide for the common defense. Nowhere in the Constitution is it written that it's the responsibility of the Federal government to provide for health care. Do we find auto insurance classified as an "entitlement" that someone ELSE has the responsibility to pay for your coverage? Yes or no? If not, then health care has been wrongfully classified as such. In fact ... name just one particular coverage, outside of this healthcare mandate, that is the sole legal responsibility of another to pay and supply FOR you in order that you may have the self assurance that you require.

. You say that as if it is free ? It's not or would not be free. Everyone would pay into the basic plan. It's just that in the plan offered, the government would have no profit incentive involved... It would give everyone the same plan, and the same options in the basic plan to cover all Americans....
If anyone wants more than that, then they would purchase extra for themselves in the free market place.

Everyone does not pay into the plan, it's only a mandate that requires everyone to have coverage, some can't afford to pay the premium and that's where the government "taxpayer" steps in. The givernment option is not not proven to lower health care costs. Name for me just one government program that is run more cost efficient than you'd find in the private sector.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

And apparently no problem with infants dying of correctable heart defects, as long as you don't have to watch.

As long as I don't have to pay for it.

However if you and those like you should pool your money and pay for it. After all bleeding hearts have to bleed.

Carry on.

Should you have to pay for schools?
How about police?
Why should you have to buy the Navy a new aircraft carrier?

Let those who want it pay for it

It's the role and responsibility of government to provide for the common defense. Nowhere in the Constitution is it written that it's the responsibility of the Federal government to provide for health care. Do we find auto insurance classified as an "entitlement" that someone ELSE has the responsibility to pay for your coverage? Yes or no? If not, then health care has been wrongfully classified as such. In fact ... name just one particular coverage, outside of this healthcare mandate, that is the sole legal responsibility of another to pay and supply FOR you in order that you may have the self assurance that you require.

. You say that as if it is free ? It's not or would not be free. Everyone would pay into the basic plan. It's just that in the plan offered, the government would have no profit incentive involved... It would give everyone the same plan, and the same options in the basic plan to cover all Americans....
If anyone wants more than that, then they would purchase extra for themselves in the free market place.

HUH?

There is NO free market place in health care. It has been under government control since the mid 1800's.

.

Government has been trying to manipulate the health care system into believing they can make it more affordable to consumers, since senator Kennedy introduced HMOs under Nixon. In the end, how effective was the government in successfully lowering costs?

 

[beagle9]

And apparently no problem with infants dying of correctable heart defects, as long as you don't have to watch.

As long as I don't have to pay for it.

However if you and those like you should pool your money and pay for it. After all bleeding hearts have to bleed.

Carry on.

Should you have to pay for schools?
How about police?
Why should you have to buy the Navy a new aircraft carrier?

Let those who want it pay for it

It's the role and responsibility of government to provide for the common defense. Nowhere in the Constitution is it written that it's the responsibility of the Federal government to provide for health care. Do we find auto insurance classified as an "entitlement" that someone ELSE has the responsibility to pay for your coverage? Yes or no? If not, then health care has been wrongfully classified as such. In fact ... name just one particular coverage, outside of this healthcare mandate, that is the sole legal responsibility of another to pay and supply FOR you in order that you may have the self assurance that you require.

. You say that as if it is free ? It's not or would not be free. Everyone would pay into the basic plan. It's just that in the plan offered, the government would have no profit incentive involved... It would give everyone the same plan, and the same options in the basic plan to cover all Americans....
If anyone wants more than that, then they would purchase extra for themselves in the free market place.

Everyone does not pay into the plan, it's only a mandate that requires everyone to have coverage, some can't afford to pay the premium and that's where the government "taxpayer" steps in. The givernment option is not not proven to lower health care costs. Name for me just one government program that is run more cost efficient than you'd find in the private sector.

. Obamacare was and is a disaster. Wasn't the answer at all, because it takes from the taxpayer to provide for the poor, but it causes the taxpayer to pay double or tripple because they are in a system that is unfair for them. My idea would be fair for all.. Just saw on Fox news where a beautiful young woman died of melanoma skin cancer, because she had shoulder pain that was found to be the cancers return after having a mole removed but the surgeon didn't get it all. HER HEALTHCARE PROVIDER wouldn't agree to the added treatment that she needed according to the report, and she died.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

As long as I don't have to pay for it.

However if you and those like you should pool your money and pay for it. After all bleeding hearts have to bleed.

Carry on.

Should you have to pay for schools?
How about police?
Why should you have to buy the Navy a new aircraft carrier?

Let those who want it pay for it

It's the role and responsibility of government to provide for the common defense. Nowhere in the Constitution is it written that it's the responsibility of the Federal government to provide for health care. Do we find auto insurance classified as an "entitlement" that someone ELSE has the responsibility to pay for your coverage? Yes or no? If not, then health care has been wrongfully classified as such. In fact ... name just one particular coverage, outside of this healthcare mandate, that is the sole legal responsibility of another to pay and supply FOR you in order that you may have the self assurance that you require.

. You say that as if it is free ? It's not or would not be free. Everyone would pay into the basic plan. It's just that in the plan offered, the government would have no profit incentive involved... It would give everyone the same plan, and the same options in the basic plan to cover all Americans....
If anyone wants more than that, then they would purchase extra for themselves in the free market place.

HUH?

There is NO free market place in health care. It has been under government control since the mid 1800's.

.

. Follow me here... We're talking about having new idea's or new ways that it could or should work. It is why everyone is trying to come up with a better system of doing things, and not sticking with the way things were. Do you want a system that goes all the way back to the 1800's or would you rather someone trail Blaze a new one that could benefit all ?

The problem is that health care costs have not gone down in Great Britain's NHS, nor has Canada's quality of health care improved with expected wait times. There hasn't been this drastic improvement by going to a national government system. The only supportive argument supporters of the system eventually defaults to is, "well now everyone has health care".

 

[beagle9]

As long as I don't have to pay for it.

However if you and those like you should pool your money and pay for it. After all bleeding hearts have to bleed.

Carry on.

Should you have to pay for schools?
How about police?
Why should you have to buy the Navy a new aircraft carrier?

Let those who want it pay for it

It's the role and responsibility of government to provide for the common defense. Nowhere in the Constitution is it written that it's the responsibility of the Federal government to provide for health care. Do we find auto insurance classified as an "entitlement" that someone ELSE has the responsibility to pay for your coverage? Yes or no? If not, then health care has been wrongfully classified as such. In fact ... name just one particular coverage, outside of this healthcare mandate, that is the sole legal responsibility of another to pay and supply FOR you in order that you may have the self assurance that you require.

. You say that as if it is free ? It's not or would not be free. Everyone would pay into the basic plan. It's just that in the plan offered, the government would have no profit incentive involved... It would give everyone the same plan, and the same options in the basic plan to cover all Americans....
If anyone wants more than that, then they would purchase extra for themselves in the free market place.

HUH?

There is NO free market place in health care. It has been under government control since the mid 1800's.

.

Government has been trying to manipulate the health care system into believing they can make it more affordable to consumers, since senator Kennedy introduced HMOs under Nixon. In the end, how effective was the government in successfully lowering costs?

If the government was run properly by the right people, we wouldn't be in the healthcare debacle we're all in today. The private sector has failed us, but that could be because of badly run government also.

 

[kaz]

If the government was run properly by the right people, we wouldn't be in the healthcare debacle we're all in today

You aren't changing that any more than you're changing the gravitational fields of the earth or that you can't make gold in your basement. Welcome to reality. That is the basis of libertarianism. Yes, government is corrupt. That's what happens when you take human beings and remove accountability while giving them the power to make decisions over the lives, liberty and property of others. Humans will overwhelmingly abuse that power.

When enough people come to the reality you did and turn to the only ideology that recognizes human nature, then maybe we can start to implement real change that will work. Despite the sophmoric accusations of the left and socons and others, we don't want government to not work, we just recognize it doesn't.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

As long as I don't have to pay for it.

However if you and those like you should pool your money and pay for it. After all bleeding hearts have to bleed.

Carry on.

Should you have to pay for schools?
How about police?
Why should you have to buy the Navy a new aircraft carrier?

Let those who want it pay for it

It's the role and responsibility of government to provide for the common defense. Nowhere in the Constitution is it written that it's the responsibility of the Federal government to provide for health care. Do we find auto insurance classified as an "entitlement" that someone ELSE has the responsibility to pay for your coverage? Yes or no? If not, then health care has been wrongfully classified as such. In fact ... name just one particular coverage, outside of this healthcare mandate, that is the sole legal responsibility of another to pay and supply FOR you in order that you may have the self assurance that you require.

. You say that as if it is free ? It's not or would not be free. Everyone would pay into the basic plan. It's just that in the plan offered, the government would have no profit incentive involved... It would give everyone the same plan, and the same options in the basic plan to cover all Americans....
If anyone wants more than that, then they would purchase extra for themselves in the free market place.

Everyone does not pay into the plan, it's only a mandate that requires everyone to have coverage, some can't afford to pay the premium and that's where the government "taxpayer" steps in. The givernment option is not not proven to lower health care costs. Name for me just one government program that is run more cost efficient than you'd find in the private sector.

. Obamacare was and is a disaster. Wasn't the answer at all, because it takes from the taxpayer to provide for the poor, but it causes the taxpayer to pay double or tripple because they are in a system that is unfair for them. My idea would be fair for all.. Just saw on Fox news where a beautiful young woman died of melanoma skin cancer, because she had shoulder pain that was found to be the cancers return after having a mole removed but the surgeon didn't get it all. HER HEALTHCARE PROVIDER wouldn't agree to the added treatment that she needed according to the report, and she died.

When government is trying to reduce costs, you are going to go through this bureaucracy where someone in Washington is making decisions for you. Ask any homecare nurse, there are very specific paperwork and wording that must be used to even properly request that anything the patient is seeking gets approved for the required treatment. Do we find the elderly with a better quality of life with health care costs left from Medicare and Medicaid? With all our current government support, why do we often find elderly struggling to keep up with medication costs, paying for prescription glasses, etc. ?

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Should you have to pay for schools?
How about police?
Why should you have to buy the Navy a new aircraft carrier?

Let those who want it pay for it

It's the role and responsibility of government to provide for the common defense. Nowhere in the Constitution is it written that it's the responsibility of the Federal government to provide for health care. Do we find auto insurance classified as an "entitlement" that someone ELSE has the responsibility to pay for your coverage? Yes or no? If not, then health care has been wrongfully classified as such. In fact ... name just one particular coverage, outside of this healthcare mandate, that is the sole legal responsibility of another to pay and supply FOR you in order that you may have the self assurance that you require.

. You say that as if it is free ? It's not or would not be free. Everyone would pay into the basic plan. It's just that in the plan offered, the government would have no profit incentive involved... It would give everyone the same plan, and the same options in the basic plan to cover all Americans....
If anyone wants more than that, then they would purchase extra for themselves in the free market place.

HUH?

There is NO free market place in health care. It has been under government control since the mid 1800's.

.

Government has been trying to manipulate the health care system into believing they can make it more affordable to consumers, since senator Kennedy introduced HMOs under Nixon. In the end, how effective was the government in successfully lowering costs?

If the government was run properly by the right people, we wouldn't be in the healthcare debacle we're all in today. The private sector has failed us, but that could be because of badly run government also.

Government regulates and controls what the private sector is allowed to do. It has since President Nixon.

 

[beagle9]

Should you have to pay for schools?
How about police?
Why should you have to buy the Navy a new aircraft carrier?

Let those who want it pay for it

It's the role and responsibility of government to provide for the common defense. Nowhere in the Constitution is it written that it's the responsibility of the Federal government to provide for health care. Do we find auto insurance classified as an "entitlement" that someone ELSE has the responsibility to pay for your coverage? Yes or no? If not, then health care has been wrongfully classified as such. In fact ... name just one particular coverage, outside of this healthcare mandate, that is the sole legal responsibility of another to pay and supply FOR you in order that you may have the self assurance that you require.

. You say that as if it is free ? It's not or would not be free. Everyone would pay into the basic plan. It's just that in the plan offered, the government would have no profit incentive involved... It would give everyone the same plan, and the same options in the basic plan to cover all Americans....
If anyone wants more than that, then they would purchase extra for themselves in the free market place.

HUH?

There is NO free market place in health care. It has been under government control since the mid 1800's.

.

. Follow me here... We're talking about having new idea's or new ways that it could or should work. It is why everyone is trying to come up with a better system of doing things, and not sticking with the way things were. Do you want a system that goes all the way back to the 1800's or would you rather someone trail Blaze a new one that could benefit all ?

The problem is that health care costs have not gone down in Great Britain's NHS, nor has Canada's quality of health care improved with expected wait times. There hasn't been this drastic improvement by going to a national government system. The only supportive argument supporters of the system eventually defaults to is, "well now everyone has health care".

. The governments shouldn't be providing the actual healthcare system, but only the insurance to their citizens. The healthcare industry needs to be run by the free markets. Everyone could be granted a healthcare insurance card that insures a basic coverage to all citizens. It could cover basic life sustaining healthcare needs and check ups, and if people want to purchase plans beyond the basic, then go for it. Everyone deserves to walk in the front door of a health provider by appointment, and not have to go to the backdoor of an ER in an emergency when it becomes to late for them. I would proudly join the nation in a plan that would deduct $5.00 dollars a week from my income, if it put a healthcare card into everyone's pocket because it would be cheap enough to all citizens at that rate to be covered. Like I say, if people want extra coverage, then why not, and it would be offered by the free markets at an affordable rate also, because they wouldn't have a monopoly in their areas any longer.

 

[beagle9]

Should you have to pay for schools?
How about police?
Why should you have to buy the Navy a new aircraft carrier?

Let those who want it pay for it

It's the role and responsibility of government to provide for the common defense. Nowhere in the Constitution is it written that it's the responsibility of the Federal government to provide for health care. Do we find auto insurance classified as an "entitlement" that someone ELSE has the responsibility to pay for your coverage? Yes or no? If not, then health care has been wrongfully classified as such. In fact ... name just one particular coverage, outside of this healthcare mandate, that is the sole legal responsibility of another to pay and supply FOR you in order that you may have the self assurance that you require.

. You say that as if it is free ? It's not or would not be free. Everyone would pay into the basic plan. It's just that in the plan offered, the government would have no profit incentive involved... It would give everyone the same plan, and the same options in the basic plan to cover all Americans....
If anyone wants more than that, then they would purchase extra for themselves in the free market place.

Everyone does not pay into the plan, it's only a mandate that requires everyone to have coverage, some can't afford to pay the premium and that's where the government "taxpayer" steps in. The givernment option is not not proven to lower health care costs. Name for me just one government program that is run more cost efficient than you'd find in the private sector.

. Obamacare was and is a disaster. Wasn't the answer at all, because it takes from the taxpayer to provide for the poor, but it causes the taxpayer to pay double or tripple because they are in a system that is unfair for them. My idea would be fair for all.. Just saw on Fox news where a beautiful young woman died of melanoma skin cancer, because she had shoulder pain that was found to be the cancers return after having a mole removed but the surgeon didn't get it all. HER HEALTHCARE PROVIDER wouldn't agree to the added treatment that she needed according to the report, and she died.

When government is trying to reduce costs, you are going to go through this bureaucracy where someone in Washington is making decisions for you. Ask any homecare nurse, there are very specific paperwork and wording that must be used to even properly request that anything the patient is seeking gets approved for the required treatment. Do we find the elderly with a better quality of life with health care costs left from Medicare and Medicaid? With all our current government support, why do we often find elderly struggling to keep up with medication costs, paying for prescription glasses, etc. ?

And why is this ? It's because government is only allowed so much money to help the elderly and poor who ends up depending on it for that help, but in my plan the government would have so much money coming in, that the citizens wouldn't be denide anything when it comes to their healthcare needs. The thing about it though, is that it has to be a government that understands that it's hands off with the Social Security, and if adopted the Healthcare Insurance budgets in this nation. No stealing or transferring money's from these accounts ever.