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. The heavy influential hand of corporations are controlling large portions of our government now. And Trump is about to turn the key and walk right on in to take the seat of our government. Now that's not to say that he would be a bad thing for it, but who knows anymore.Take back the government, and then the boogey man is no longer your greatest fear any longer... This is the problem you see, "the corporations" have already taken over government, so the things you fear are inevitable anyway.
Corporatism doesn't means corporations controlling government. It's government that distributes privileges rather than protects our rights.
. Is your roads, schools, street lamps, sidewalks, public parks, national gaurd, farmers market, library, law enforcement etc. not benefits you enjoy for being an American ?. Not for scoring us benefits, but more about ensuring us with the basics needed in this specific department, and then beyond that we can let the free markets have at it with their offers of added services.. You keep harping on this taking by force, when you are taxed for very important services right now by government. Do you wish to void all government services and the taxes that pays for those services from your life or do you want to fix the problems in government, and use the greatest government set up in the world to serve this nation in some very important ways as it should be ?Being 'denied' things we want is part of life. A sad a frustrating part of life. But does that justify taking what we want by force?
I'm sorry you think of it as "harping". The coercion at the heart of government is a point of fact, one that statists really don't want to acknowledge. But it's real and no amount of sophistry can change that.
I don't wish to void all government services, but before we look to government to solve a problem, we need to understand what that means. It means we think that solving the problem is so important that we're willing to resort to violence if anyone stands in our way. It's my conviction that most of society's problems can, and should, be solved through voluntary means; that resorting to laws, enforced by the police, should be reserved for protecting our freedom, and not for scoring us 'benefits'.
Ensuring us with the basics needed is scoring us benefits. And you say it's only this "specific department" that you want government to control, but what about when they come after the food supply? If the corporatists instigate inflation and shortages in the food supply, the way they've done with healthcare, will you advocate that government take over the food supply as well?
. The heavy influential hand of corporations are controlling large portions of our government now. And Trump is about to turn the key and walk right on in to take the seat of our government. Now that's not to say that he would be a bad thing for it, but who knows anymore.Take back the government, and then the boogey man is no longer your greatest fear any longer... This is the problem you see, "the corporations" have already taken over government, so the things you fear are inevitable anyway.
Corporatism doesn't means corporations controlling government. It's government that distributes privileges rather than protects our rights.
. Nope not advocating for a communist socialist country, but just to add this one more service (paid for by us), to the important role of government in this nation is all. Healthcare is and should be a human right. Anyone who doesn't see it this way should check themselves in life, because they are missing their soul. Nothing is free of course, and it shouldn't be, but the ways for aquirring and paying for things of this nature, should be handled with the utmost of compassion and care. The system wasn't working, and the wrong headed people tried to fix it, and they complicated it to much and for a reason... We don't need that kind of resolve any longer.. Is your roads, schools, street lamps, sidewalks, public parks, national gaurd, farmers market, library, law enforcement etc. not benefits you enjoy for being an American ?. Not for scoring us benefits, but more about ensuring us with the basics needed in this specific department, and then beyond that we can let the free markets have at it with their offers of added services.. You keep harping on this taking by force, when you are taxed for very important services right now by government. Do you wish to void all government services and the taxes that pays for those services from your life or do you want to fix the problems in government, and use the greatest government set up in the world to serve this nation in some very important ways as it should be ?
I'm sorry you think of it as "harping". The coercion at the heart of government is a point of fact, one that statists really don't want to acknowledge. But it's real and no amount of sophistry can change that.
I don't wish to void all government services, but before we look to government to solve a problem, we need to understand what that means. It means we think that solving the problem is so important that we're willing to resort to violence if anyone stands in our way. It's my conviction that most of society's problems can, and should, be solved through voluntary means; that resorting to laws, enforced by the police, should be reserved for protecting our freedom, and not for scoring us 'benefits'.
Ensuring us with the basics needed is scoring us benefits. And you say it's only this "specific department" that you want government to control, but what about when they come after the food supply? If the corporatists instigate inflation and shortages in the food supply, the way they've done with healthcare, will you advocate that government take over the food supply as well?
Yes. But they're benefits that we all enjoy (for the most part) equally. There is very broad consensus, and relatively little cost, behind all of these. The problem with unlimited democracy - which seems to be what you're advocating - is that it disregards individual rights in favor of majority will. And that's very, very dangerous.
Take the government back.... The heavy influential hand of corporations are controlling large portions of our government now. And Trump is about to turn the key and walk right on in to take the seat of our government. Now that's not to say that he would be a bad thing for it, but who knows anymore.Take back the government, and then the boogey man is no longer your greatest fear any longer... This is the problem you see, "the corporations" have already taken over government, so the things you fear are inevitable anyway.
Corporatism doesn't means corporations controlling government. It's government that distributes privileges rather than protects our rights.
Again, corporatism doesn't have anything to do with rich corporations controlling government. Here, do some reading: Corporatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This is the kind of government we're embracing, and it tends to lead - pretty directly - to full blown fascism.
. Take back the government, and then the boogey man is no longer your greatest fear any longer... This is the problem you see, "the corporations" have already taken over government, so the things you fear are inevitable anyway.. Not for scoring us benefits, but more about ensuring us with the basics needed in this specific department, and then beyond that we can let the free markets have at it with their offers of added services.. You keep harping on this taking by force, when you are taxed for very important services right now by government. Do you wish to void all government services and the taxes that pays for those services from your life or do you want to fix the problems in government, and use the greatest government set up in the world to serve this nation in some very important ways as it should be ?Being 'denied' things we want is part of life. A sad a frustrating part of life. But does that justify taking what we want by force?
I'm sorry you think of it as "harping". The coercion at the heart of government is a point of fact, one that statists really don't want to acknowledge. But it's real and no amount of sophistry can change that.
I don't wish to void all government services, but before we look to government to solve a problem, we need to understand what that means. It means we think that solving the problem is so important that we're willing to resort to violence if anyone stands in our way. It's my conviction that most of society's problems can, and should, be solved through voluntary means; that resorting to laws, enforced by the police, should be reserved for protecting our freedom, and not for scoring us 'benefits'.
Ensuring us with the basics needed is scoring us benefits. And you say it's only this "specific department" that you want government to control, but what about when they come after the food supply? If the corporatists instigate inflation and shortages of food, the way they've done with healthcare, will you advocate that government take over the food supply as well?
Take the government back.... The heavy influential hand of corporations are controlling large portions of our government now. And Trump is about to turn the key and walk right on in to take the seat of our government. Now that's not to say that he would be a bad thing for it, but who knows anymore.Take back the government, and then the boogey man is no longer your greatest fear any longer... This is the problem you see, "the corporations" have already taken over government, so the things you fear are inevitable anyway.
Corporatism doesn't means corporations controlling government. It's government that distributes privileges rather than protects our rights.
Again, corporatism doesn't have anything to do with rich corporations controlling government. Here, do some reading: Corporatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This is the kind of government we're embracing, and it tends to lead - pretty directly - to full blown fascism.
. Nope, government should only be moved to fix something that the free markets are failing miserably on in this important area in life, and no more. There are some very important roles that government should play in our society, and most of these roles are usually done well for the most part yet all depending, and a basic healthcare insurance service for all Americans should be part of it now. Free markets have had their chance at serving the citizens of this nation, and it failed in many ways to do so adequately.. Under a properly run government, it is the best tool for the job when it comes to serving all Americans as not being based upon their class level, but because it serves this nation well when it treats all it's citizens equally, and especially when it comes to such an important thing in life.If government were able to control all healthcare, then they would be able to control every aspect of your life.
So a poor person without affordable healthcare can do what? Use his 'freedom' as some sort of magical cure for his illnesses?
That didn't seem to be what he said at all. This discussion isn't about whether we should help poor people get healthcare. It's about whether government is the right tool for the job.
There are lots of other important things in life. Should government provide us with all of them? Why healthcare and not food? Or housing? Friends? Lovers? Entertainment?
And so they do. You've failed utterly to show why they don't.No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016
Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.
Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.
The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
They all pay to play with each other right... The government wasn't helping to build the US corporations for nothing right ? There is a cost involved always, and the corporations were getting filthy rich regardless of the government cost to them over time.. Then came NAFTA the ultimate trump card for the corps right ? How did corporations become so successful over time in this nation ? The government provided them with the tools and lax in regulations to get the job done back in the day, but since the corps began splitting the scene over time during the late 80's and 90's, the government tried to make up the loss on the ones who were left, and therefore that lead to the higher tax rates and more of them wanting out right ? Government is just like the corps I guess (i.e. trying to protect their feigning revenue streams). Now what Obama did or didn't do for them wasn't helping at all either.. Take back the government, and then the boogey man is no longer your greatest fear any longer... This is the problem you see, "the corporations" have already taken over government, so the things you fear are inevitable anyway.. Not for scoring us benefits, but more about ensuring us with the basics needed in this specific department, and then beyond that we can let the free markets have at it with their offers of added services.. You keep harping on this taking by force, when you are taxed for very important services right now by government. Do you wish to void all government services and the taxes that pays for those services from your life or do you want to fix the problems in government, and use the greatest government set up in the world to serve this nation in some very important ways as it should be ?
I'm sorry you think of it as "harping". The coercion at the heart of government is a point of fact, one that statists really don't want to acknowledge. But it's real and no amount of sophistry can change that.
I don't wish to void all government services, but before we look to government to solve a problem, we need to understand what that means. It means we think that solving the problem is so important that we're willing to resort to violence if anyone stands in our way. It's my conviction that most of society's problems can, and should, be solved through voluntary means; that resorting to laws, enforced by the police, should be reserved for protecting our freedom, and not for scoring us 'benefits'.
Ensuring us with the basics needed is scoring us benefits. And you say it's only this "specific department" that you want government to control, but what about when they come after the food supply? If the corporatists instigate inflation and shortages of food, the way they've done with healthcare, will you advocate that government take over the food supply as well?
If corporations have taken over government, they sure have us fooled.
Why is it that with corporate controlled government, we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world? Why is it with corporate government, we have an endless amount of regulations on businesses--the most recent major one, Commie Care?
Could it be that these services being under attack by corruption over the years, had led to there constant changes and security to check or detect fraud because of over charging along with double billing by crooks? I know of a hospital that had to sell out because they couldn't afford to pay back the fines received by the feds for super Medicare fraud that was found.. Nope, government should only be moved to fix something that the free markets are failing miserably on in this important area in life, and no more. There are some very important roles that government should play in our society, and most of these roles are usually done well for the most part yet all depending, and a basic healthcare insurance service for all Americans should be part of it now. Free markets have had their chance at serving the citizens of this nation, and it failed in many ways to do so adequately.. Under a properly run government, it is the best tool for the job when it comes to serving all Americans as not being based upon their class level, but because it serves this nation well when it treats all it's citizens equally, and especially when it comes to such an important thing in life.So a poor person without affordable healthcare can do what? Use his 'freedom' as some sort of magical cure for his illnesses?
That didn't seem to be what he said at all. This discussion isn't about whether we should help poor people get healthcare. It's about whether government is the right tool for the job.
There are lots of other important things in life. Should government provide us with all of them? Why healthcare and not food? Or housing? Friends? Lovers? Entertainment?
Yes, they failed us so badly, unlike Medicare, Medicaid and the VA.
Overwhelming % of problems with ACA are in red states and areas, dupe. Your problems and the ones in the article are from avoiding it due to to believing Pub propaganda.Oh, Commie Care is the Republicans fault again, huh?
Well......at least you didn't say it was Reagan's fault which is what you usually say.
"The best part about being a Democrat is never having to say you were wrong."
Ray from Cleveland
The ACA is a small player right now.
That is what the GOP does not get.
It will settle in and become larger.
A larger mess.
I agree. Anything the Govt. sticks its big fat nose in becomes red tape, rules, regulations, long waits. In short a fucking mess that people have to wade through.
My wife and I worked a combined 84 years for a prime contractor for the government in Oak Ridge, TN. I'll take what you say under advisement the next time I cash our monthly pension and social security checks. If not for the government all of us would be goose stepping and speaking German.
Someone makes money in a ponzi scheme.
Overwhelming % of problems with ACA are in red states and areas, dupe. Your problems and the ones in the article are from avoiding it due to to believing Pub propaganda.
The ACA is a small player right now.
That is what the GOP does not get.
It will settle in and become larger.
A larger mess.
I agree. Anything the Govt. sticks its big fat nose in becomes red tape, rules, regulations, long waits. In short a fucking mess that people have to wade through.
My wife and I worked a combined 84 years for a prime contractor for the government in Oak Ridge, TN. I'll take what you say under advisement the next time I cash our monthly pension and social security checks. If not for the government all of us would be goose stepping and speaking German.
Someone makes money in a ponzi scheme.
How the hell can you say that with a straight face:
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And so they do. You've failed utterly to show why they don't.No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016
Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.
Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.
The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
. I'm contributing in taxes for public schools, roads, sidewalks, public parks, the government Health Dept or clinic. Law enforcement, the judicial system. City government, water and sewage, etc. Do I see all these government employees as my indentured servants or them looking at me as theirs? Nope, I just see it all as something we all need and have agreed upon that we need. Now there may be alot of mis-management going on in anyone of these things, and at any given time (just like it is with private sector businesses the same), but because of those problems no one is seen as slaves or indentured servants, but rather they are seen as just mere employees caught up sometimes within some bad managed situations.And so they do. You've failed utterly to show why they don't.No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016
Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.
Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.
The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Dingle berry
if you have a right to health care then someone has the responsibility to provide for you.Do you have indentured servants?
'nuff said
. I'm contributing in taxes for public schools, roads, sidewalks, public parks, the government Health Dept or clinic. Law enforcement, the judicial system. City government, water and sewage, etc. Do I see all these government employees as my indentured servants or them looking at me as theirs? Nope, I just see it all as something we all need and have agreed upon that we need. Now there may be alot of mis-management going on in anyone of these things, and at any given time (just like it is with private sector businesses the same), but because of those problems no one is seen as slaves or indentured servants, but rather they are seen as just mere employees caught up sometimes within some bad managed situations.And so they do. You've failed utterly to show why they don't.No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016
Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.
Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.
The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Dingle berry
if you have a right to health care then someone has the responsibility to provide for you.Do you have indentured servants?
'nuff said
. Was there ever an agreement on that by we the people? Nope, but why is that ? If a vote would be allowed, then the people would speak, just like it's always been done in the nation when the people want something. Of course the profiteers who see any change as a direct attack on their system of doing things, will then quickly begin pulling on the strings of all they have bought off to stave off the attack. Even if they have let the nation down horribly, they can't or won't admit to it, and they will fight to keep the status quoe going regardless of how broken things had become. I guess the vote will come when the people vote for the candidate that best represents their needs, so let the chips fall where they may right.. I'm contributing in taxes for public schools, roads, sidewalks, public parks, the government Health Dept or clinic. Law enforcement, the judicial system. City government, water and sewage, etc. Do I see all these government employees as my indentured servants or them looking at me as theirs? Nope, I just see it all as something we all need and have agreed upon that we need. Now there may be alot of mis-management going on in anyone of these things, and at any given time (just like it is with private sector businesses the same), but because of those problems no one is seen as slaves or indentured servants, but rather they are seen as just mere employees caught up sometimes within some bad managed situations.And so they do. You've failed utterly to show why they don't.No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016
Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.
Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.
The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Dingle berry
if you have a right to health care then someone has the responsibility to provide for you.Do you have indentured servants?
'nuff said
Who is "we"?
I thought the agreement was that you pay for your healthcare and I pay for mine?
.
. Was there ever an agreement on that by we the people? Nope, but why is that ?. I'm contributing in taxes for public schools, roads, sidewalks, public parks, the government Health Dept or clinic. Law enforcement, the judicial system. City government, water and sewage, etc. Do I see all these government employees as my indentured servants or them looking at me as theirs? Nope, I just see it all as something we all need and have agreed upon that we need. Now there may be alot of mis-management going on in anyone of these things, and at any given time (just like it is with private sector businesses the same), but because of those problems no one is seen as slaves or indentured servants, but rather they are seen as just mere employees caught up sometimes within some bad managed situations.And so they do. You've failed utterly to show why they don't.No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016
Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.
Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.
The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Dingle berry
if you have a right to health care then someone has the responsibility to provide for you.Do you have indentured servants?
'nuff said
Who is "we"?
I thought the agreement was that you pay for your healthcare and I pay for mine?
.
. And 20% can't or shouldn't be able to impose their will on the 80% majority, but go tell that to a Democrat. They are experts at undermining the will of the majority with your way of thinking, and that's why so much is wrong in this nation now.. Was there ever an agreement on that by we the people? Nope, but why is that ?. I'm contributing in taxes for public schools, roads, sidewalks, public parks, the government Health Dept or clinic. Law enforcement, the judicial system. City government, water and sewage, etc. Do I see all these government employees as my indentured servants or them looking at me as theirs? Nope, I just see it all as something we all need and have agreed upon that we need. Now there may be alot of mis-management going on in anyone of these things, and at any given time (just like it is with private sector businesses the same), but because of those problems no one is seen as slaves or indentured servants, but rather they are seen as just mere employees caught up sometimes within some bad managed situations.And so they do. You've failed utterly to show why they don't.
Dingle berry
if you have a right to health care then someone has the responsibility to provide for you.Do you have indentured servants?
'nuff said
Who is "we"?
I thought the agreement was that you pay for your healthcare and I pay for mine?
.
If by "we the people" you are referring to majority rule (though I maintain this is a gross misapprehension of the phrase), then the answer is very simple. It's because government can only impose the will of the majority as authorized by the constitution. 51% of us can't vote to enslave the other 49%.
