“no nation has the right to simply grab land from another.”

[RetiredGySgt]

Railing against Russia’s annexation of Crimea and vowing that the United States would never recognize Russia’s “illegal occupation,” Vice President Biden angrily exclaimed yesterday that “no nation has the right to simply grab land from another.”

Oh?

What about the U.S. government’s annexation of the northern half of Mexico or, to be more precise, the land grab that encompassed California, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Texas, and parts of Wyoming and Colorado?


What about the U.S. Annexation of Mexico - The Future of Freedom Foundation

Ya that happened 170 years ago and was after a war. Further we paid for the land.

 

[barryqwalsh]

Texas was chronically broke during its nine years of independence, and was the subject of constant political intrigue by the French and the British, who wanted to stop American expansion towards the Pacific. The British were particularly active, offering financial assistance to Texas in exchange for an alliance. Polk’s predecessor in the White House, John Tyler, feared that a close association between Texas and Britain would undermine American influence in the Gulf of Mexico and even menace American control over New Orleans (the Battle of New Orleans had been fought only 27 years before Tyler’s inauguration). Tyler had therefore started annexation negotiations with Texas but tried to keep them secret so as to avoid interference by France and Britain.


How We Got Texas and Oregon and California American Renaissance

 

[barryqwalsh]

We actually took all of Mexico.

When you march your army into another country and beat the opponents ass and then capture their Nations capitol. You win.

You pick a fight with a nation and then get your ass beat, chances are you will lose a lot of your stuff.

We gave them half their stuff back. Not our fault you lost.

President Polk started the war!

 

[barryqwalsh]

It comes from here:

What about the U.S. Annexation of Mexico - The Future of Freedom Foundation

Oh.. a blog... Ok. Thanks.

Which linked the original quote in the NY Times.
VP Biden said it.

Vice President Biden angrily exclaimed yesterday

Not sure the point, but the blog entry and NYT article were from April.

Did he say it before we took land from Mexico?

No.

Then I'm not sure what your point is either.

He is older than Polk!

 

[barryqwalsh]

In 1848, at the conclusion of the U.S.- Mexican War, the two countries signed the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo. The treaty called for Mexico to give up almost half of its territory, which included modern-day California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and parts of Colorado, Nevada, and Utah. In return, the U.S. paid $15 million in compensation for war-related damage to Mexican land.

Among the notable aspects of the treaty, it set the Texas border at the Rio Grande; it provided for the protection of the property and civil rights of Mexican nationals who would now be living on U.S. soil; the United States agreed to police its side of the border; and both countries agreed to compulsory arbitration of future disputes. However, when the United States Senate ratified the treaty, it erased Article 10, which guaranteed the protection of Mexican land grants; Article 9, which deals with citizenship rights, was also weakened. This in turn created an anti-Mexican atmosphere that spurred the violation of their civil rights. In Texas, Mexicans were restricted from voting. In New Mexico, Mexicans were the victims of violence, while in California, laws against them were passed, some of which were known as the Greaser Laws.


The Border 1848 The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo

 

[barryqwalsh]

History as it is taught at Mexican schools has been modified in order not to hurt U.S. sensibilities and not to foster Nationalism among the future citizens of our country who might react against the U.S.A. Imperialism. Schools often teach that the territory we lost was uninhabited and of no importance, the episode of the defenders of New Mexico (who were hanged in Taos, 1847) was ommited as well as how California was bravely defended by Mexicans. Some have attempted to deny the existance of the Niños Heroes of Chapultepec, the brave young men who fought in the Battle of Chapultepec against the U.S. invasion.

Conditions nowadays are nevertheless diffrent from thos prevalent in 1847. The Anglo-Saxon, on one side, who once claimed the issue of 'living space' to be one of the reasons for annexing our territories to the United States (eventhough they actually did not use this term) now has a negative population growth. It seems that abortion, drug use and contraception (inherent to Western liberal culture or Anti-culture) have accomplished their work.


Mexican Nationalist Front - Organization for the National Will FIGHTING FOR OUR LOST TERRITORY.

 

[Theowl32]

Ever notice how liberals love preaching survival of the fittest? Like everything else to a liberal, humans really do not count when it comes to nature.

In other words anything a human does from cutting trees, to hunting animals, to ANYTHING, it is wrong and crime against nature.

All animals that reproduce sexually are TERRITORIAL by NATURE. We certainly reproduce sexually. Every primate have wars over territory. Every carnivore have strict rules on territory.

We, of course do not count in this equation.

Which leads me to this. Ever notice how none of these limousine liberals, who live to get approval from one another and pats on the back for attacking white republicans and being a good enough socialist, never volunteer their own homes to the natives that they claim to care so much about?

Hell, in their little fairy tale world, they will tell you the natives never murdered or had wars. They actually think (they believe this too) that they are all harmonious human beings, planting corn, building eco-friendly tepees and delighting in magical mushrooms and nature. THEN THE WHITE MAN CAME HERE WITH GUNS AND AN EVIL BIBLE ALONG WITH A MONETARY SYSTEM!!!!

Seriously, that is what they think. You may think that is an exaggeration due to the absurd humor, but NO they seriously believe that.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

I really do not enjoy this types of discussions that are so steeped in ignorance, that no one even begins to understand what the thread is really about.

This thread is obviously more Putin man-crush (what a surprise) so America stole land from the Natives and Mexico, etc? Fair enough -- I guess just taking things is OK?

No repercussions at all?

Lets just "buy" Iraq, then!!! We already occupied it, lets pay them $1.00 and throw in a free key-chain!

Personally, I would love for us to stop sticking our nose in what's going on over there. Our founders would have agreed, but make no mistake, Russia has no business there, either.

 

[Theowl32]

I really do not enjoy this types of discussions that are so steeped in ignorance, that no one even begins to understand what the thread is really about.

This thread is obviously more Putin man-crush (what a surprise) so America stole land from the Natives and Mexico, etc? Fair enough -- I guess just taking things is OK?

No repercussions at all?

Lets just "buy" Iraq, then!!! We already occupied it, lets pay them $1.00 and throw in a free key-chain!

Personally, I would love for us to stop sticking our nose in what's going on over there. Our founders would have agreed, but make no mistake, Russia has no business there, either.

Three paragraphs of pure unadulterated blatant pathetic typical left wing bullshit hypocrisy.

Nothing and I mean nothing is stopping your ignorant ass from giving up your house to a native, yet you won't. Just like any stupid moron liberal who claims we should be taxed more but does not voluntarily pay more in taxes themselves.

You stupid moron.

 

[theHawk]

Oh?

What about the U.S. government’s annexation of the northern half of Mexico or, to be more precise, the land grab that encompassed California, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Texas, and parts of Wyoming and Colorado?

What about the U.S. Annexation of Mexico - The Future of Freedom Foundation

Whoever said any nation has a "right" to grab land? If any country is strong enough and has the will to hold onto it, then it becames theirs. That's been the reality since mankind started.

 

[FJO]

Ever notice how liberals love preaching survival of the fittest? Like everything else to a liberal, humans really do not count when it comes to nature.

In other words anything a human does from cutting trees, to hunting animals, to ANYTHING, it is wrong and crime against nature.

All animals that reproduce sexually are TERRITORIAL by NATURE. We certainly reproduce sexually. Every primate have wars over territory. Every carnivore have strict rules on territory.

We, of course do not count in this equation.

Which leads me to this. Ever notice how none of these limousine liberals, who live to get approval from one another and pats on the back for attacking white republicans and being a good enough socialist, never volunteer their own homes to the natives that they claim to care so much about?

Hell, in their little fairy tale world, they will tell you the natives never murdered or had wars. They actually think (they believe this too) that they are all harmonious human beings, planting corn, building eco-friendly tepees and delighting in magical mushrooms and nature. THEN THE WHITE MAN CAME HERE WITH GUNS AND AN EVIL BIBLE ALONG WITH A MONETARY SYSTEM!!!!

Seriously, that is what they think. You may think that is an exaggeration due to the absurd humor, but NO they seriously believe that.

They also would like you to believe that the present day residents of Mexico are Hispanics.

They are North American Indians who speak a version of Spanish, because for whatever reason they have forgotten the language of their ancestors.

They blame all the troubles Mexico has on the white man, forgetting that the white man that conquered Mexico was every bit as white as the English that did their conquering just North and has long blended and virtually disappeared in the local population reproducing like rabbits or mice.

They blame America for everything under the sun but send their citizens to earn a decent living in America, or to sell their drugs in America, or to foment civil unrest in America but of course, send money back to Mexico in order to prop up their piss poor economy which would be dead without money sent back by illegal liens.

They demand bi-lingual everything, but they refuse to learn the language of the country they invaded illegally.

They bitch and moan about the fence on the border, but they forget that if the United States was as vigilant about border security as it should be, it would follow the time proven example of the former Soviet Union and would place a welcoming land mine on every significant inch, rather than bothering with 15 foot fences that can be easily scaled with a 16 foot ladder.

They demand United States laws applied to Mexican criminal apprehended in America, but they keep a sick United States Marine in their stinking hell hole of prison for making the mistake of crossing into their hell hole of a country.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Oh?

What about the U.S. government’s annexation of the northern half of Mexico or, to be more precise, the land grab that encompassed California, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Texas, and parts of Wyoming and Colorado?

What about the U.S. Annexation of Mexico - The Future of Freedom Foundation

We should finish the job and take the rest of it

 

[barryqwalsh]

In 1840, in California, a territory seized from Mexico-the Spanish-speaking, Native American population was the majority. Its members worked in the gold mines and across the fertile lands of the Sonora Valley. When the gold fever hit in 1849, the massive influx of European immigrants transformed Mexicans into a minority. Those who recently arrived quickly created a legislative arsenal to displace the Mexicans. The Greaser Act (an anti-Mexican law) was formally enacted “to protect honest people from the excesses of vagabonds.” That law allowed the police to arrest, using force if is necessary, and to deport or send to forced labor any person suspected of being a vagabond. According to that law, a vagabond is a person identified by the term “Greaser” (pejorative for Mexican) and, generally, all people of Spanish or Indian blood.” The law authorized local militias to impose terror against the Mexican community, to confiscate their property and to lynch any recalcitrant individuals with impunity.


Early US Race Laws Designed to Protect White Employment

 

[barryqwalsh]

The Foreign Miners' Tax of 1850, a $20 monthly fee for the right to mine, was applied not only to foreign immigrants but also to California-born Mexicans, who had automatically become U.S. citizens under the terms of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. The state anti-vagrancy act of 1855 was so obviously anti-Mexican that it became known popularly as the Greaser Law. Possibly the most blatantly anti-Mexican law was the 1855 act negating the constitutional requirement that laws be translated into Spanish. Finally, there were growing vigilantism and squatter violence against Californio landowners.

Land had been the basis of the California socio-economic system. The loss of land after the U.S. conquest undermined that system, in spite of the theoretical protections provided by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. Holders of Spanish and Mexican land grants, most of whom were Mexican Americans, had to seek legal confirmation of their titles. In effect, the federal government placed the burden of proof on the landowners instead of automatically accepting all titles and then handling challenges on an individual basis.


Five Views An Ethnic Historic Site Survey for California Mexican Americans

 

[whitehall]

Look at a freaking map of the freaking world. Every tribe took land from another tribe and every nation came into being or gained it's status by taking land from another nation. You could fill a page with the land grabs in the last century.Why not give the good old USA a break and grandfather in a land grab older than a hundred and fifty years.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Oh?

What about the U.S. government’s annexation of the northern half of Mexico or, to be more precise, the land grab that encompassed California, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Texas, and parts of Wyoming and Colorado?

What about the U.S. Annexation of Mexico - The Future of Freedom Foundation

Please. If you want to has this out, first, find an attorney willing to take your case. Then wait your turn to move up the ladder of various court systems....Let us know how it works out.
Of you can stop bothering yourself with this mundane insipid shit and move on with your life.
Go save stray animals. it's much more worthy pursuit.

 

[theHawk]

Look at a freaking map of the freaking world. Every tribe took land from another tribe and every nation came into being or gained it's status by taking land from another nation. You could fill a page with the land grabs in the last century.Why not give the good old USA a break and grandfather in a land grab older than a hundred and fifty years.

Mental midgets like barryqwalsh need to make believe that the US was the only nation in the history of the world to take land from others, or at the very least he has to imagine that when Americans did it, it was more evil and sinister in nature compared to every other society that did the same exact thing.

 

[barryqwalsh]

The new law easily passed the lower house of the Mexican Congress, but it is facing opposition in the Senate. Some lawmakers suspicious of foreign interests argue that such sensitive and valuable lands should remain in the hands of Mexicans.

Congressman Marcos Rosendo Medina is adamantly opposed to lifting the ban.

He says Mexico lost Texas and quite a bit of its territory to the United States by allowing foreigners to settle at the borders.


Americans Might Soon Get To Buy Mexican Beachfront Border Land Parallels NPR

 

[barryqwalsh]

"California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn't like it should leave."

Read more at snopes.com Hispanic Leaders Speak Out

 

[Kondor3]

...Uh what about the US' annexation of the whole US from the native inhabitants?

Yeah, that was fun, wasn't it? Paid off big-time, too. And they got casinos out of the deal.

Definitely a good trade for us.