Nice article on appeasment

manu1959

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EUROPE -- THY NAME IS COWARDICE

by Mathias Döpfner

A few days ago Henryk M. Broder wrote in Welt am Sonntag,
"Europe -- your family name is appeasement." It's a phrase
you can't get out of your head because it's so terribly
true.

Appeasement cost millions of Jews and non-Jews their lives
as England and France, allies at the time, negotiated and
hesitated too long before they noticed that Hitler had to be
fought, not bound to agreements. Appeasement stabilized
communism in the Soviet Union and East Germany in that part
of Europe where inhuman, suppressive governments were
glorified as the ideologically correct alternative to all
other possibilities. Appeasement crippled Europe when
genocide ran rampant in Kosovo and we Europeans debated and
debated until the Americans came in and did our work for us.
Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East,
European appeasement, camouflaged behind the fuzzy word
"equidistance," now countenances suicide bombings in Israel
by fundamentalist Palestinians. Appeasement generates a
mentality that allows Europe to ignore 300,000 victims of
Saddam's torture and murder machinery and, motivated by the
self-righteousness of the peace-movement, to issue bad
grades to George Bush. A particularly grotesque form of
appeasement is reacting to the escalating violence by
Islamic fundamentalists in Holland and elsewhere by
suggesting that we should really have a Muslim holiday in
Germany.

What else has to happen before the European public and its
political leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade
underway, an especially perfidious crusade consisting of
systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims, focused on civilians
and directed against our free, open Western societies. It
is a conflict that will most likely last longer than the
great military conflicts of the last century -- a conflict
conducted by an enemy that cannot be tamed by tolerance and
accommodation but only spurred on by such gestures, which
will be mistaken for signs of weakness.

Two recent American presidents had the courage needed for
anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush. Reagan ended the Cold War
and Bush, supported only by the social democrat Blair acting
on moral conviction, recognized the danger in the Islamic
fight against democracy. His place in history will have to
be evaluated after a number of years have passed.

In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic
self-confidence in the multicultural corner instead of
defending liberal society's values and being an attractive
center of power on the same playing field as the true great
powers, America and China. On the contrary-we Europeans
present ourselves, in contrast to the intolerant, as world
champions in tolerance, which even (Germany's Interior
Minister) Otto Schily justifiably criticizes. Why? Because
we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're so
materialistic.

For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge
amounts of additional national debt and a massive and
persistent burden on the American economy-because everything
is at stake.

While the alleged capitalistic robber barons in American
know their priorities, we timidly defend our social welfare
systems. Stay out of it! It could get expensive. We'd
rather discuss the 35-hour workweek or our dental health
plan coverage. Or listen to TV pastors preach about
"reaching out to murderers." These days, Europe reminds me
of an elderly aunt who hides her last pieces of jewelry with
shaking hands when she notices a robber has broken into a
neighbor's house. Europe, thy name is cowardice.

"All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the
world is for enough good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke

----

Matthias Döpfner is Chief Executive of German publisher Axel
Springer AG.
 
Bonnie said:
:clap: :clap:

All that was going on yet it still took Pearl Harbor to light a fire under Roosevelt's rear end.

And it took 911 to light a fire under our government's ass. Clinton appeased all during his two terms and Bush has had to deal with those consequences.
 
freeandfun1 said:
And it took 911 to light a fire under our government's ass. Clinton appeased all during his two terms and Bush has had to deal with those consequences.

Exactly!!!!!
 
the article tells how it is in most of Europe. The do gooders with their
moral superiority can excuse anything.

The Welt am Sonntag is a weekly conservative newspaper. Where did
you get the English version?
 
True, it took 911 to get our full attention and now I wonder what it will take to get the whole free world involved? The countries that aren't involved are sitting ducks like we were. I'm thinking they believe it won't happen IN their country and before 9/11, I remember thinking the same thing.

The way things are going Iraq, lots of people forget that we have troops in Afghanistan still fighting. It would be nice to have lots more help from countries that enjoy their freedom without war NOW, like we enjoyed ours before 911.
 
manu1959 said:
EUROPE -- THY NAME IS COWARDICE

by Mathias Döpfner

A few days ago Henryk M. Broder wrote in Welt am Sonntag,
"Europe -- your family name is appeasement." It's a phrase
you can't get out of your head because it's so terribly
true.

Appeasement cost millions of Jews and non-Jews their lives
as England and France, allies at the time, negotiated and
hesitated too long before they noticed that Hitler had to be
fought, not bound to agreements. Appeasement stabilized
communism in the Soviet Union and East Germany in that part
of Europe where inhuman, suppressive governments were
glorified as the ideologically correct alternative to all
other possibilities. Appeasement crippled Europe when
genocide ran rampant in Kosovo and we Europeans debated and
debated until the Americans came in and did our work for us.
Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East,
European appeasement, camouflaged behind the fuzzy word
"equidistance," now countenances suicide bombings in Israel
by fundamentalist Palestinians. Appeasement generates a
mentality that allows Europe to ignore 300,000 victims of
Saddam's torture and murder machinery and, motivated by the
self-righteousness of the peace-movement, to issue bad
grades to George Bush. A particularly grotesque form of
appeasement is reacting to the escalating violence by
Islamic fundamentalists in Holland and elsewhere by
suggesting that we should really have a Muslim holiday in
Germany.

What else has to happen before the European public and its
political leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade
underway, an especially perfidious crusade consisting of
systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims, focused on civilians
and directed against our free, open Western societies. It
is a conflict that will most likely last longer than the
great military conflicts of the last century -- a conflict
conducted by an enemy that cannot be tamed by tolerance and
accommodation but only spurred on by such gestures, which
will be mistaken for signs of weakness.

Two recent American presidents had the courage needed for
anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush. Reagan ended the Cold War
and Bush, supported only by the social democrat Blair acting
on moral conviction, recognized the danger in the Islamic
fight against democracy. His place in history will have to
be evaluated after a number of years have passed.

In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic
self-confidence in the multicultural corner instead of
defending liberal society's values and being an attractive
center of power on the same playing field as the true great
powers, America and China. On the contrary-we Europeans
present ourselves, in contrast to the intolerant, as world
champions in tolerance, which even (Germany's Interior
Minister) Otto Schily justifiably criticizes. Why? Because
we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're so
materialistic.

For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge
amounts of additional national debt and a massive and
persistent burden on the American economy-because everything
is at stake.

While the alleged capitalistic robber barons in American
know their priorities, we timidly defend our social welfare
systems. Stay out of it! It could get expensive. We'd
rather discuss the 35-hour workweek or our dental health
plan coverage. Or listen to TV pastors preach about
"reaching out to murderers." These days, Europe reminds me
of an elderly aunt who hides her last pieces of jewelry with
shaking hands when she notices a robber has broken into a
neighbor's house. Europe, thy name is cowardice.

"All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the
world is for enough good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke

----

Matthias Döpfner is Chief Executive of German publisher Axel
Springer AG.


What about Clinton? He invaded countries, doesn't he get any credit for that?


I don't see how Reagan wasn't appeasing Hussein. It was Reagan who took Iraq off the list of nations that support terrorisn. And Bush was appeasing Iraq right up until less than a week before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.

What about all this appeasement Bush is doing right now to North Korea? Millions of people are being murdered over there, and all Bush wants to do is appease?
 
FollowerOfKeeb said:
What about Clinton? He invaded countries, doesn't he get any credit for that?


I don't see how Reagan wasn't appeasing Hussein. It was Reagan who took Iraq off the list of nations that support terrorism. And Bush was appeasing Iraq right up until less than a week before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.

What about all this appeasement Bush is doing right now to North Korea? Millions of people are being murdered over there, and all Bush wants to do is appease?

You must not understand the definition of "appeasement".
 
freeandfun1 said:
You must not understand the definition of "appeasement".

Appeasement is the act of not invading a hostile nation, isn't it?
 
FollowerOfKeeb said:
Appeasement is the act of not invading a hostile nation, isn't it?

Nope. It is the policy of granting concessions to potential enemies to maintain peace. Which is exactly what the UN and the anti-war-with-Iraq folks wanted.
 
freeandfun1 said:
Nope. It is the policy of granting concessions to potential enemies to maintain peace. Which is exactly what the UN and the anti-war-with-Iraq folks wanted.

And which is exactly what Clinton did. He appeased Iran, Iraq, N Korea, the Palestinians. Al Queda in Somalia. The only person he didnt appease was Miloshovik(sp?) and im willing he would have if he didnt need a distraction from Monica at the time.
 
Avatar4321 said:
And which is exactly what Clinton did. He appeased Iran, Iraq, N Korea, the Palestinians. Al Queda in Somalia. The only person he didnt appease was Miloshovik(sp?) and im willing he would have if he didnt need a distraction from Monica at the time.

:salute: agreed!
 
:bow3: woman, Lady great site indeed.

It is interesting how the right wing newspapers support Schroeder
and his antiwar course. That indeed indicates that the once
proud nato alliance might face its end once the conservatives
take over the chancellorship. While the left is anti-american
they have a weakness for all kinds of international orgs.
With the right backing some kind of Europe without the Muslims
I wonder how the EU will handle the Euro nationalism they seem
to support.
 
nosarcasm said:
:bow3: woman, Lady great site indeed.

It is interesting how the right wing newspapers support Schroeder
and his antiwar course. That indeed indicates that the once
proud nato alliance might face its end once the conservatives
take over the chancellorship. While the left is anti-american
they have a weakness for all kinds of international orgs.
With the right backing some kind of Europe without the Muslims
I wonder how the EU will handle the Euro nationalism they seem
to support.

Thanks, David's Medienkritik is one great site. I think I've linked to him more than any other site.
 
is this view common among conservative people, that Europe is doing nothing in the face of evil?

EDIT: Is this funny to anyone else: Europe sufferred the most because of appeasement. NY, DC and PA sufferred because of 9/11. (the last is not technically true, but there is still the emotional connection in PA. Yet Europe, NY, PA and DC all stand against the war on terror as its being run by Bush and Blair. Instead, its the US heartland, where an attack by international terrorists will probably never occur, along with states like Australia and Latvia, that is primarily supporting the war on terror.

I just think its funny that the people who got burned don't want anything to do with this war.

Im not trying to argue about it, I know you and I won't agree on the reasons for this. I still think its funny tho. :D
 
oxbow3 said:
is this view common among conservative people, that Europe is doing nothing in the face of evil?

EDIT: Is this funny to anyone else: Europe sufferred the most because of appeasement. NY, DC and PA sufferred because of 9/11. (the last is not technically true, but there is still the emotional connection in PA. Yet Europe, NY, PA and DC all stand against the war on terror as its being run by Bush and Blair. Instead, its the US heartland, where an attack by international terrorists will probably never occur, along with states like Australia and Latvia, that is primarily supporting the war on terror.

I just think its funny that the people who got burned don't want anything to do with this war.

Im not trying to argue about it, I know you and I won't agree on the reasons for this. I still think its funny tho. :D

funny is not a term i would use to describe appathy
 

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