Nice article about Huntsman

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    I took a good look at Huntsman. I won't support him in the primary but I think he'd make a hell of a Secretary of State. We'll see.

    The reason I don't support him for President is because he doesn't speak to the importance of reducing government spending. His tax plan is fine, nothing special, but a step in the right direction. However, no tax plan will begin to fix our debt; that requires massive reductions in spending and he's not even talking about any reductions (not that I could find). Also, he talks too much about "...compromise and working with Democrats in order to "get things done"" Well, I see what compromise between the establishment of both parties has gotten us; $15 trillion of debt and rising. We need less compromise and more spending cuts.

    Secretary of State, he's perfect. President, I can't go there.
     
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    I'm one of the few Republicans left in the nation who don't think that compromise is a dirty word.
     
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    It's not a dirty word. The actual result of those compromises is:

    U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

    $132,430 owed per taxpayer...and rising fast.
     
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    But lack of compromise isn't going to do anything to stop our rising debt. I say put them all to a litmus test on reducing the debt by each side giving in on something instead of just drawing a line in the sand and not budging.
     
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    If by that statement, you mean we should cut entitlement programs AND the military, then I would agree with you. If you mean raising taxes now in exchange for a promise to reduce the planned rate of increased spending by some insignificant amount at some future date (all I've ever heard from the Progressives), then no, I'm not buying.

    What exactly do you mean by "a litmus test on reducing the debt by each side giving in"?
     
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    What you posted read like a "puff piece" so instead I looked at his actual website. What kills it for me is that he's under the mistaken belief that "free trade" has been good for us. He must be completely ignoring NAFTA and GATT agreements that have shipped millions of our jobs overseas and lowered our standard of living here.

    Jon Huntsman on the Issues: Jobs, Foreign Policy, & More | Huntsman 2012

    Jon Huntsman appears to be just another Globalist.
     
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    "Getting Things Done" usually turns out to be Republicans and Democrats working together to fuck US Citizens.
     
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    What I mean by a litmus test is acts by individuals in Congress that supersede ideology and display true willingness to solve problems. In other words country over ideology.
    Part of my job is to sit on a committee whose goal is to improve business and expand our business. Many ideas are fielded. Then, we as a committee act on the ideas, for the most part many ideas are molded into one idea that everyone agrees on. It's a compromising of ideas to succeed and success is the bottomline for everyone. It has worked beautifully even during tough economic times. Most successful businesses operate under the same blueprint. Our government should be run like a business instead of a battle of ideologies trying to impose their agenda no matter what and no matter when. It's totally nonconstructive.

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    Although I am not a Republican, I don't think that compromise is a dirty word either. Shocking, huh?
     

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